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			<title>Top 10 most used Names for Hotels in Italy by Trivago</title>
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			<description>1 Europa (eng: Europe) 
2 Belvedere (Panoramic Viewpoint) 
3 Eden 
4 Bellavista (littrery: Beautifulseeing) 
5 Garden 
6 Aurora (Dawn) 
7 Miramonti (litterary: LookingatMountains) 
8 Centrale (Central) 
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			<title>Northern European Union</title>
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			<description>Article posted recently in the most important German conservative newspaper. Die Welt. 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Article posted recently in the most important German conservative newspaper. Die Welt.<br />
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<u>As UK Moves Toward EU Exit, Envisioning A New Northern European Union</u><br />
<a href="http://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/as-uk-moves-toward-eu-exit-envisioning-a-new-northern-european-union/europe-brussels-london-nato-union/c1s10941/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs...nion/c1s10941/</a><br />
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			BERLIN - Europeans are in a virtual state of paralysis about the future, frozen by a fear that – were they to turn away from Brussels – the result would be a rise of reactionary nationalism.<br />
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Not surprisingly, these new chauvinisms are perfectly suited for some political agendas – on all sides of the ideological spectrum. Still, some thoughtful observers are beginning to flirt with the idea of moving away from Brussels, and weighing the new turns the Continent could take with an eventual exit of London from the EU, particularly in terms of the economic consequences for both Europe and the UK.<br />
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A decisive step on the part of the British could actually give new impetus, and new energy. Many countries that have perceived themselves as too small to act on their own could begin to see the constraints of collective debt and Brussels bureaucracy.<br />
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This renewed sense of possibility would in turn widen the horizons of British strategists. The UK's move would thus no longer be about the pros and cons of departure, but rather about seeking more suitable alliances. <br />
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Would the Dutch still feel the same way about the EU if there was no North-South divide anymore? How much better things would look in Flanders if the issue wasn’t Wallonia but a more viable Union... Scottish independence would also lose its escapist flavor because everybody from Belfast to Cardiff would be part of a new alliance of states.<br />
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<u>A federation of northern countries – Iceland, Scandinavian nations, Belgium, the Netherlands, the British Isles, Ireland – would almost certainly entice the German states of Hamburg and Schleswig-Holstein, whose dowry would be the Kiel Canal. After all, Altona lived comfortably with Denmark for some 200 years.</u><br />
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And the idea that this would somehow be a return to a Teutonic past doesn’t hold water: in such a large alliance, the northern Germans would constitute a minority that none need fear. There are historical precedents – one thinks of the German citizens of the Hansa cities of Danzig, Elbing and Thorn, which in 1454, and then for nearly 350 years, linked up with the Polish Rzeczpospolita to protect themselves from the murderous attacks and plunder by fellow Germans, the Teutonic Knights.<br />
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Most Germans would wish the northern Germans well, follow the development with interest rather than the disparagement that often accompanies separatism, sensing how profoundly anti-chauvinistic their secession was. This would be a match for the nonchalance about the independence of Scotland, which is being left free to decide its own future.<br />
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<u>A new world power?</u><br />
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<u>Imagine: a territory of over 3.8 million square kilometers (1.5 million square miles), number four in terms of global economy, with 120 million inhabitants, ten languages but with nearly everyone able to understand English – a new and culturally rich space with guaranteed free trade inside its borders, and ever open to the world beyond.</u><br />
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<u>As all members of this northern federation – with the exception of Sweden – are already NATO members, they would have the know-how to organize themselves as a military alliance as well, with British nuclear potential to back it up. Self-sufficient in terms of energy, with plenty of oil, gas, hydropower, shale gas, it could also play a role in reducing energy-related conflict.</u><br />
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<u>The regime in Brussels would not be able to stave off its death throes for long after the creation of such a federation: minus Great Britain, the Netherlands, Flanders-Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Hamburg/Schleswig-Holstein, it would lose some 7 billion euros a year.</u><br />
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The rebels could finance their trim joint bureaucracy with a fraction of what they saved and use the rest for what has become a bitter necessity – seeing to a secure future. Whoever stuck by Brussels would either be asking for even more money or – like Germany, for example – take its leave from further cost overload.<br />
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The result would be that, finally, the undemocratic hyper-apparatus that is Brussels would no longer have the financing it needs to continue.<br />
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<u>Such a federation could also inspire others. Some like the southern Germans, Austrians, Swiss and northern Italians might forge their own federation. </u>Countries excluded from all this would be left striving to achieve eligibility to the club. This could ultimately mean that a significant chunk of Europe teams up again – only this time not to be run by a moldy bureaucracy, but rather to become an alliance of free nations.<br />
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Europe will have learned that the counterweight to yesterday’s ethnic over-independence doesn’t have to be “Europe Above All” – something that Switzerland, with its four languages and cultures, has understood for centuries.
			
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I don't see how anyone in Northern Europe those days could disagree of it in a short medium term as output for the recent crisis. It would be more fair in terms of financing and tax payer for some of  the countries of the North. <br />
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In a scenario like that would be good for my native country Sweden. We would have more relevance than within the  currently regional 'northern' EU, considering what we have invested in the current Union, far more than a country like Greece or Portugal. Yet, the weight of the decisions are always the same, totally unfair to our tax payer.<br />
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Also mentioning that all of those countries are more Liberal-oriented democracies.</div>

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			<title>maternal dna test results</title>
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			<description>I have been researching the dna test results I have, and some of the dna seems to be more common in the Ashkenazi Jews - how do I find out more information to confirm this?</description>
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			<title><![CDATA[New company tests full Y-chromosome (SNP's + STR's) for $1299]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 12:13:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Full Genomes Corp (https://www.fullgenomes.com/#) is now offering what I believe is the world's first commercial full genomic sequence of the Y-chromosome. The test is destined at the genetic genealogy community and will report the person's haplogroup, and analysis of both SNP's and STR's,...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><a href="https://www.fullgenomes.com/#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Full Genomes Corp</a> is now offering what I believe is the world's first commercial full genomic sequence of the Y-chromosome. The test is destined at the genetic genealogy community and will report the person's haplogroup, and analysis of both SNP's and STR's, including private SNP's. This should be the ultimate test to completely map the Y-DNA phylogeny with an accuracy up to the last generation. <br />
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The test is announced at the price of $1,499, but is immediately discounted to $1,299. It is pricey, but hopefully the price will go down quickly as competition catches up.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[More Greeks and Spaniards in employment now than in the 1980's and 90's.]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 17:54:01 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Over the last few years the news have been assailing us on a nearly daily basis about the woes of the Greek and Spanish economies. The way unemployment has been skyrocketing in these two countries has grabbed people's imagination and filled many Europeans with fear and apprehension about the...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Over the last few years the news have been assailing us on a nearly daily basis about the woes of the Greek and Spanish economies. The way unemployment has been skyrocketing in these two countries has grabbed people's imagination and filled many Europeans with fear and apprehension about the future. <br />
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Looking at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_rate" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">employment rate</a> figures, I was surprised to see that both countries were actually doing better now than in the last decades of the 20th century, well before the global financial crisis and the euro crisis. Spain had 52.7% of people in employment in the 1980's, 51.8% in the 1990's, and 58.5% in 2011. Greece was more stable, with 54.8% in the 1990's and 55.6% in 2011. Either way, there are more people in work today than before the 2000's. Yet both Greece and Spain have over 27% of unemployment today, compared with roughly 10% before the crisis. How could that be ?<br />
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One possible explanation is that more women are working now that there were 20 or 30 years ago. I know for a fact that the percentage of working women rose dramatically in Spain after the death of general Franco in 1975, reaching a near parity with men in the early 2000's. I am not sure about Greece, but a similar phenomenon may have happened. In other words, the number of jobs has remained stable, and even slightly increased. It is the number of job seekers that has skyrocketed. It is undeniable that the crisis had an negative effect on employment, but judging from the real number of people in employment, Greece has lost only 6% of its working force and Spain 8% compared to their peak in 2007-8, just before the global credit crunch. <br />
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This would mean that about half of the increase in unemployment rates since 2008 were not directly caused by the crisis itself, but rather by more people wanting to work. Fear about the future could be one reason. Helping relatives could be another. Another possibility is that the lowering of salaries and tax increases have forced housewives in many families to start looking for a job to complement their husband's income to make ends meet or maintain the same lifestyle as before the crisis.<br />
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One way of seeing this whole situation is that the soar in unemployment rates has been caused at least as much by a change in mentalities as by job losses. Jobs have been destroyed by the financial crisis in all developed economies. Real estate prices and stock exchanges have declined almost everywhere in Europe from an all-time high in early 2008. People have lost money everywhere, but especially in countries that had an <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/11/global-house-prices" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">artificially inflated real estate market</a>, like Ireland, Britain, Spain and Italy. <br />
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Employment rates reached an all time high in 2007-08 in all countries that experienced a real estate bubble. Those that managed to put a lid on their property market, like Germany, did not suffer from any decrease in employment rate. The correlation is actually pretty startling. The country that suffered the sharpest decline in property prices is Ireland. It is also the one that lost the most percentage points in real employment figures : nearly 10% from 2008 to 2011 (against 6% for Greece). Spain has the second largest real estate bubble burst, and it lost 8% points in employment rates from 2007 to 2011. In contrast, Germany gained 3.6% over the same period.<br />
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It doesn't seem to matter how well a country's economy is faring, nor how large or small its public debt is. Sweden has a healthy economy and a public debt at only 33% of GDP, but it lost 3.5% of employment rate immediately in the year from 2008 to 2009. Its real estate market did not experience a real bubble, but was over-inflated nonetheless. The case of Denmark is even more telling. With an economy as sound as that of Sweden, the only thing that really distinguished the two neighbours is the real estate market. Prices fell more sharply in Denmark and at the same time employment figures tumbled too. The Danish employment rate, once the highest in the world, fell from 77.9% in 2008 to 73.1% in 2011 - a drop of 5%, almost as much as in Greece. Even super-rich Norway lost nearly 3%.<br />
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Even though the US stock market recovered quicker than anywhere else, the USA also lost 4% of employment rate, mirroring the drop in real estate prices over the same period. Only countries like Germany, Switzerland and to a lower extent Austria, where property prices have barely increased over the last 20 years, have sustained a steady increased in employment rates throughout the crisis.<br />
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In conclusion, it seems that the financial crisis and euro crisis were both caused by a real estate bubble burst after all. In other words most countries had been living beyond their means with artificial money from speculation. What most of Europe is experiencing now is a market correction.</div>

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			<title>Newbie- I1 in Ireland</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 13:12:58 GMT</pubDate>
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Please excuse the ignorance of a DNA newbie! 
 
I recently had my Y chromosome tested, and discovered that it is of I1 haplogroup. Now I know broadly what that means, but I haven't the faintest idea what the list of 16 Y STRs implies. Do/can these narrow the group down, or are they...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi list<br />
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Please excuse the ignorance of a DNA newbie!<br />
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I recently had my Y chromosome tested, and discovered that it is of I1 haplogroup. Now I know broadly what that means, but I haven't the faintest idea what the list of 16 Y STRs implies. Do/can these narrow the group down, or are they simply the definition of I1 itself? If this is a pdq, please just direct me to the correct resource<br />
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Now further it came as something of a shock to find that my clan ( Whalen/O'Faolain) had no members in I1, in fact substantially in R1b. I'm assuming that this implies an NPE sometime in the past 1000 odd years and that my original male ancestor was a Viking?<br />
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Any help appreciated.<br />
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Regards<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Polls show that Greeks don't see themselves and other Europeans like everyone else]]></title>
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			<description>The Economist reposted (http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/05/what-europeans-think-each-other) an opinion poll by Pew Research about the stereotypes European people had about each others.  
 
The Greeks stick out of the lot by their lack of objectivity when asked for their place...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Economist <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/05/what-europeans-think-each-other" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">reposted</a> an opinion poll by Pew Research about the stereotypes European people had about each others. <br />
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The Greeks stick out of the lot by their lack of objectivity when asked for their place inside Europe. While all Europeans agreed that the Germans were the most trustworthy nation, the Greeks saw themselves as the most trustworthy nation, and the Germans as the least trustworthy. The general consensus among other Europeans was that the Greeks and Italians (or occasionally the French) were the least trustworthy. <br />
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Interestingly, the Italians recognised themselves as the least trustworthy nation, completely at odds with the Greeks who constantly think of themselves as the best and brightest. Whatever the question, the Greeks always voted for themselves when asked about qualities, and for others (usually Germany) for shortcomings. I don't know if the Greeks realise the irony of proclaiming themselves the least arrogant nation in Europe.<br />
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This is nothing new though. In the <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/05/greeks-say-they-are-hardest-working-european-nation" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">2012 poll</a>, the Greeks considered themselves to be the most hardworking Europeans, while the majority saw them as the <i>least</i> hardworking.<br />
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So why is it that the Greeks have such a hard time being objective about themselves and fall so easily in the childish habit of boasting about themselves, especially when it is not deserved ?</div>

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			<title>I2 found in Egyptian Mummy</title>
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The ancient Egyptians could soon be getting their genomes sequenced as a matter of routine. That’s the view, at least, of the first researchers to use...]]></description>
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The ancient Egyptians could soon be getting their genomes sequenced as a matter of routine. That’s the view, at least, of the first researchers to use next-generation techniques to analyse DNA from Egyptian mummies.</font><br />
<font color="#333333">In a preliminary study that the authors describe as “a first step”, they detected hints of one of the mummies’ ancestral origins, as well as pathogens and a range of plant materials presumably used in the embalming process. The researchers, led by Carsten Pusch, a geneticist at the University of Tübingen in Germany, published their findings last week in the <i>Journal of Applied Genetics.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>Previous studies of DNA from Egyptian mummies have used a technique called polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to amplify specific segments of DNA. But these studies have been controversial. The PCR method is susceptible to contamination with modern DNA, especially when amplifying genes from humans or bacteria that are likely to be present in the environment.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>DNA degrades relatively quickly in warm conditions, leading to doubts that it would survive for long in the Egyptian desert. For example, a high-profile DNA analysis of 3,300-year-old royal mummies published by Pusch and his colleagues in 2010 attracted scepticism. But the authors stood by their results, arguing that the embalming process must have <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110427/full/472404a.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">preserved the DNA despite the heat</a>.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>Further support for their argument came in 2011, when researchers amplified DNA from 2,000-year-old mummified crocodile hatchlings. So researchers on both sides of the debate have been looking forward to the application of next-generation sequencing techniques. Instead of amplifying specific sequences, these methods read millions of small fragments and give a broad picture of all the DNA present in a sample, making it easier to spot contamination.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>Since 2010, next-generation sequencing has been used to decipher the genomes of a variety of ancient humans preserved in cold conditions, including a 4,000-year-old Palaeo-Eskimo dubbed <a href="http://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/news.2010.64" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Saqqaq Man</a>; ‘Denisova Man’, a novel hominin unearthed in Siberia[5]; and ‘<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/iceman-s-dna-reveals-health-risks-and-relations-1.10130" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ötzi the Iceman</a>’, a 5,300-year-old mummy found frozen in the Central Eastern Alps.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>Now, Pusch and his colleagues, including Rabab Khairat, have carried out next-generation sequencing on five Egyptian mummified heads held at the University of Tübingen. The heads date from relatively late in ancient Egyptian history — between 806 bc and 124 ad.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>The data sets retrieved so far are small — a tiny fraction of what would be required for a whole genome sequence. But they show that human DNA survives in the mummies and that it is amenable to sequencing.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i><b>The researchers determined that one of the mummified individuals belongs to an ancestral group, or haplogroup, called I2</b>, believed to have originated in Western Asia. They also retrieved genetic material from the pathogens that cause malaria and toxoplasmosis, and from a range of plants that includes fir and pine — both thought to be components of embalming resins — as well as castor, linseed, olive, almond and lotus.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>According to Pusch, the proportion of human DNA in the identified sequences is comparable to that from frozen specimens, such as Saqqaq Man. In mummies, “DNA preservation appears to be independent of temperature,” he says.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>But Tom Gilbert, who leads two research groups at the Center for GeoGenetics in Copenhagen and was part of the team that sequenced the Saqqaq genome, warns against making such a comparison, because many of the sequences obtained in the latest study were unidentifiable.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>Now that Pusch and his colleagues have demonstrated next-generation sequencing in Egyptian mummies, however, moving on to entire genomes “isn’t rocket science”, Gilbert says. “What limits you is the size of a sample. For Denisova Man they had just a finger bone. Here they have the whole mummy.”</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>Indeed, Pusch and his colleagues say that they are now working on a more comprehensive analysis, and that “entire-genome sequencing of ancient Egyptian individuals is likely to become standard in the not-too-distant future”.</i></font><br />
<font color="#333333"><i>“It would be nice to know more about the origins of the ancient Egyptians,” says Pusch. “Where did they come from? Where did they go? Are there still traces of ancestral DNA in today’s Egypt?”<br />
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J-PF7267I see a lot of info on J1 and J2 but I'm still very unclear about mine, and google doesn't turn up much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I was hoping to learn more about this haplogroup.  <br />
<b>J-PF7267</b><br /><br />I see a lot of info on J1 and J2 but I'm still very unclear about mine, and google doesn't turn up much.</div>

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			<title>Best Bookshops in the UK</title>
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			<description>I will be in the UK this July and want to spend some time shopping in the bookshops - particularly the used bookshops. Anyone able to give a recommendation for Dublin, London and Edinburgh?</description>
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			<title>Bill Gates = R1b1a2</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 07:21:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[A telegraph article in the UK states: 
 
 
**"The founder of the Microsoft empire's family has been traced back through 13 generations to the mill town of Halifax. 
His great grandfather 11 times removed is believed to have been Jonas Halstead, born in 1611, the son of a yeoman clothier from nearby...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>A telegraph article in the UK states:<br />
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<b><b><i>&quot;The founder of the Microsoft empire's family has been traced back through 13 generations to the mill town of Halifax.<br />
His great grandfather 11 times removed is believed to have been Jonas Halstead, born in 1611, the son of a yeoman clothier from nearby Northowram.&quot;</i></b></b><br />
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<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2505018/Microsoft-founder-Bill-Gates-has-Yorkshire-roots.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ire-roots.html</a><br />
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In FTdna, both Abraham and Jonas Halstead of Yorkshire are positive for R1b1a2. Clade looks Germanic, but someone here might be able to confirm from these markers.<br />
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<a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/halstead/default.aspx?section=yresults" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults</a><br />
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			<title>37 mtDNA sequences from Minoan Crete</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 06:30:55 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Just released: A European population in Minoan Bronze Age Crete, by Hughey et al. (http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4/n5/full/ncomms2871.html) 
 
*Abstract* 
 
The first advanced Bronze Age civilization of Europe was established by the Minoans about 5,000 years before present. Since Sir Arthur...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Just released: <a href="http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4/n5/full/ncomms2871.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">A European population in Minoan Bronze Age Crete, by Hughey et al.</a><br />
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<b><i>Abstract</i></b><br />
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<i>The first advanced Bronze Age civilization of Europe was established by the Minoans about 5,000 years before present. Since Sir Arthur Evans exposed the Minoan civic centre of Knossos, archaeologists have speculated on the origin of the founders of the civilization. Evans proposed a North African origin; Cycladic, Balkan, Anatolian and Middle Eastern origins have also been proposed. Here we address the question of the origin of the Minoans by analysing mitochondrial DNA from Minoan osseous remains from a cave ossuary in the Lassithi plateau of Crete dated 4,400–3,700 years before present. Shared haplotypes, principal component and pairwise distance analyses refute the Evans North African hypothesis. Minoans show the strongest relationships with Neolithic and modern European populations and with the modern inhabitants of the Lassithi plateau. Our data are compatible with the hypothesis of an autochthonous development of the Minoan civilization by the descendants of the Neolithic settlers of the island.</i><br />
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Here is the haplogroups breakdown for the 37 samples.<br />
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- H : 32.4% (12 samples*, including one H5, one H7, one H13a1a)<br />
- T : 18.9% (7 samples, including one T1, three T2, one T3 and one T5)<br />
- K : 16.2%  (6 sample)<br />
- HV : 8.1% (3 samples)<br />
- I : 8.1% (3 sample, all I5)<br />
- U : 5.4% (2 samples, including one U5a)<br />
- J : 5.4% (2 samples, including a J2)<br />
- R0 : 2.7% (1 sample)<br />
- W : 2.7% (1 sample)<br />
- X : 2.7% (1 sample, most probably X2)<br />
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* among the 9 unidentified subclades of H, there could be one H1k, one H5 or H1k, and one H1a3c or H1t1aa.<br />
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From the paper:<br />
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			<div class="message"><b>The greatest percentage of shared Minoan haplotypes was observed with European populations, particularly with individuals from Northern and Western Europe</b> (26.98% and 29.28%, respectively) (Figs 2–4; Supplementary Table S7). Notably, in Fig. 4, a gradient can be observed, with the lowest affinity for Minoans found with Northern African populations and the percentage of haplotype sharing increasing as we move through the Middle East, Caucasus and the Mediterranean islands, southern Europe and mainland Europe (Fig. 4a,b).</div>
			
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</div>This affinity of Minoan maternal lineages with the modern populations of Northern and Western Europe are interesting because the shared mt-haplogroups happen to be exactly <a href="http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25613-Identifying-the-original-Indo-European-mtDNA-from-isolated-settlements" target="_blank">those I have identified as Indo-European mtDNA</a>. I have linked H5a, H7, T, U3, U5a1 and X2 with the spread of R1b in the Bronze Age, and I, U2, U4 and W with that of R1a. <br />
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Modern Crete has a relatively high frequency of R1b (15%) and R1a (9%), and the highest local percentage of R1b ever observed in Greece justly happens to be in the Lasithi Plateau (36.6% R1b according to <a href="http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v15/n4/full/5201769a.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Martinez et al. 2007</a>), where these 37 ancient samples are from. Apart from U3 (probably, since there is still one unidentified U) all the mt-haplogroups corresponding to R1b were found. <br />
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The association with R1a is more shaky as it relies solely on two rare haplogroups : I and W. I5 has been found in such places as northern Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, North Ossetia (actually a R1b hotspot, not a R1a one) and the Arabian peninsula. But how else could the presence of nearly 10% of R1a in Crete be explained, if not by the Indo-Europeans ? Ultimately all R1a is thought to be of Indo-European origin. In this case it is hard to attribute its presence in Crete to the Slavic migrations. That was limited to continental Greece, mostly in the north. R1a must have arrived earlier in Greece, during the Bronze Age, along with R1b.<br />
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R1b almost certainly arrived in the early Bronze Age, around the time the Minoan civilisation appeared. If we follow the <a href="http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#European" target="_blank">diffusion of the Bronze Age</a>, R1b is thought to have started invading the Balkans from 4200 BCE, reaching Bulgaria circa 3300 BCE (Ezero Culture), and Greece circa 3000 BCE. The Bronze Age started c. 2700 BCE in Crete. Although there was already an early Minoan culture there before (since 3650 BCE), the beginning of the true Minoan civilization is usually associated with the start of the Bronze Age c. 2700 BCE. Chronologically, it all fits. R1b people brought bronze working with them to Crete and took over the existing Minoan culture, blending with the local people.<br />
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What I find surprising with this new link between the Indo-Europeans and Minoan Crete is that Minoan people were usually depicted as having black curly haired and half of the time as being very darked skinned - the opposite of what is expected of the fair-haired, fair-skinned Indo-European people. This is why some people have suggested that the Minoan came from North Africa, along with the bulk of Greek Y-DNA E1b1b. This study didn't find any African mtDNA, but it isn't really surprising since there is very little African mtDNA in modern Greece and even E1b1b is rather sparse in modern Crete, especially in the Lasithi Plateau (5%). <br />
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I believe that the dark pigmentation came with the J2 people from the Fertile Crescent, although it is too early to say whether they came before or after R1a and R1b Indo-Europeans. J2 could have come in the (late) Neolithic just as it could have arrived in the late Bronze Age, following the collapse of the Minoan civilisation and the rise of the Sea Peoples. The latter is not impossible considering the strong association of J2 with seafaring civilisations (Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, Venetians, Portuguese).<br />
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However, since Neolithic samples were limited to G2a, I2a and E1b1b samples, and that regions with high frequencies of these haplogroups (e.g. Sardinia, which may be the best reference population to compare with Neolithic Europeans) have fairer skin and less curly hair than people in the Fertile Crescent, I would suppose that J2 was already part of the Minoan admixture. My original assumption was that the Minoan were mostly a hybrid of R1b and J2 male lineages. <b>The mitochondrial lineages in this study that could correspond to the maternal side of J2 are R0, HV, K, and some subclades of H, J and T.</b><br />
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Minoan language remains a mystery since Linear A has not yet be deciphered. So we have no clue as to whether it was Indo-European or not. Either alternative is equally possible. The Minoans could have inherited their language either from R1b+R1a Indo-Europeans or from J2 non-IE.</div>

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			<title>Y-dna test? Which one?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 09:02:38 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Good morning to all users, 
 
I'm new in this forum and I'm a newbie in genetic also. 
 
I would take an y-dna test, but I don't know what. 
 
I read a lot of topics in this forum, but I found two great factions: 
1) 23andme supporters; 
2) FTDna supporters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Good morning to all users,<br />
<br />
I'm new in this forum and I'm a newbie in genetic also.<br />
<br />
I would take an y-dna test, but I don't know what.<br />
<br />
I read a lot of topics in this forum, but I found two great factions:<br />
1) 23andme supporters;<br />
2) FTDna supporters.<br />
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On order to know my haplogroup and, I hope, my people of origin, what test best suits my wish?<br />
I saw that FTDna offers many tests: is it a good choice the y-dna 111, or it doesn't add anything to - for example - the y-dna 67?<br />
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Can you help me in taking a decision?<br />
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Thanks a lot,<br />
Anscaricus</div>

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			<title>R1b entry into Europe</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 06:23:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Did R1b take the central Asian route into Europe or did it enter into Europe from Anatolia to Balkans route? This is a debate</description>
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			<title><![CDATA[Belgium's future]]></title>
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			<description>I would like to get the European thought on whether Belgium as a separate nation will still exist in 2035.I have heard and read often that there seems to be some doubt concerning the existence of Belgium in the no too distant future. The thought is that Dutch Belgium would be annexed to the...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I would like to get the European thought on whether Belgium as a separate nation will still exist in 2035.I have heard and read often that there seems to be some doubt concerning the existence of Belgium in the no too distant future. The thought is that Dutch Belgium would be annexed to the Netherlands and Wallonia to France. Since this is the ancestral homeland I am keenly interested in the future of Belgium. And what about Brussels(a French speaking city in the center of Dutch speaking Belgium?)</div>

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