Politics Balkanian disagreements.

[Ike]

This is going nowhere. You just have no idea about the situation in the region. Everything you talk is stuff from CNN news.

 

[LABERIA]

This is going nowhere. You just have no idea about the situation in the region. Everything you talk is stuff from CNN news.

http://top-channel.tv/lajme/english/artikull.php?id=13880#.VgO6KH2xdR9

Slobodan Jovanovich, one of the former leaders of the special units of Serbian police that committed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, in an interview for the Kosovo public television "RTK" mention some of the most monstrous crimes that Serbian police did in Kosovo.

In Slobodan Jovanovich's squad were 150 policemen, 10 of them were criminals released from prisons.
"We had 150 policemen in our squad. 10 of the them were well-known for stealing, killing and massacres, that I couldn't believe. They did not use drugs and alcohol, but were interested in getting rich within a night. I remember an occasion in Rahovec. A policeman cut an Albanian's head and boiled it for a couple of days with the intension of getting the golden teeth he had. I am telling this because this haunts me back and I want it to be easier. After boiling it for three days he took his head and turned it in a lampshade. This is monstrosity. I can't comprehend it. I did not know what he was boiling in there. I thought he was preparing dinner. At a later time he did the same thing with the head of a woman. At home he wanted two head, two lampshades. A couple of years later I heard he ended in a nuthouse. That's due to what he did, because a normal person could not do what he did", confessed Jovanovich.

"While we were in the field they told us "destruct or burn", which meant, destroy the whole village or burn the entire place down. They did kill people for fun, even if someone didn't have any money. They took everything they put their eyes on it. The higher chain of command knew it pretty well. The commanders ordered the destruction of your houses and killing of innocent civilians", added Jovanovich.
The former commander of the special units highlighted that due to these testimonies he is considered a traitor and his family doesn't get any services at all.
He has been threatened to give up his testimonials. He knows that there are at least 300 war criminals that live freely in Belgrade. "None in Belgrade protects me. They consider me enemy. They have excluded me of every service", added Jovanovich.

This is the interview. Unfortunately is in serbian with Albanian subs. Perhaps you can help with the translation form serbian in english.
The part with the lampshade start at 6`15``.

SPECIALE 24.03.2015

 

[Ike]

This is probably true. No one sane wanted to go down there to fight with terrorist troops, so there were numerous criminals and opportunists out there.
If CIA didn't start the conflict, there would be no reason for these kind of forces (disregarding the composition) to be down there at all, and nothing of this would have happened.


The guy he is talking about, in the part you quoted, cooked two human heads and made desk lamps from them. He ended up in a mental institution years after.

 

[LeBrok]

If CIA didn't start the conflict, there would be no reason for these kind of forces (disregarding the composition) to be down there at all, and nothing of this would have happened.
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Nothing happens in the world without CIA. It is like a religion to you, comparable to ideas of religious devotes who believe that nothing happens without will of God. Heck, you are very close to Iranian state position, "CIA is the great Satan". Well, you made your own religion, congratulation.

 

[Ike]

Nothing happens in the world without CIA. It is like a religion to you, comparable to ideas of religious devotes who believe that nothing happens without will of God. Heck, you are very close to Iranian state position, "CIA is the great Satan". Well, you made your own religion, congratulation.

No dude, it happened on the initiative of Milosevic. His powers were beyond comprehensible, he had hard times to keep it his way even in the city of Belgrade. Very logical.

p.s. I hope you will get over that teenager talk scheme soon?

 

[LABERIA]

This is probably true. No one sane wanted to go down there to fight with terrorist troops, so there were numerous criminals and opportunists out there.
If CIA didn't start the conflict, there would be no reason for these kind of forces (disregarding the composition) to be down there at all, and nothing of this would have happened.


The guy he is talking about, in the part you quoted, cooked two human heads and made desk lamps from them. He ended up in a mental institution years after.

So someone who protects his family is a terrorist? What had to do those people? To transform voluntarily in lanterns? There are 150 years that serbs exercise genocide against Albanians. Again responsabile is CIA?
Please show respect for the victims of these massacres and also show respect for the intelligence of the members of this forum.

Here you have the the testimony of another serb soldier:
[h=1]JETA NE KOSOVE 12.12.2013[/h]Life in Kosova

In respect to the members of this forum, i am not going to translate.

 

[Ike]

Michel Chossudovsky: NATO HAS INSTALLED A REIGN OF TERROR IN KOSOVO (http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/chossu.htm)

Keith Pavlik: NATO’s sponsorship of the Kosovo Liberation Army (http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/2_kla.htm)

Gary Wilson: WHO'S THE KLA? GERMAN DOCUMENT REVEALS SECRET CIA ROLE (http://www.serendipity.li/nato/kla.htm)

Altin Raxhimi, Michael Montgomery and Vladimir Karaj: KLA Ran Torture Camps in Albania (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kla-ran-torture-camps-in-albania)

F. William Engdahl: Kosovo’s “Mafia State” and Camp Bondsteel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/kosovo...s-military-presence-in-southeast-europe/30262)

Michael Montgomery: Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stm)


People know what has happened, so stop standing behind terrorists. If Serbian army wanted to cleanse Kosovo off of Albanians , if would have been quickly over, so it's pointless to hold that position. Even Pentagon in 1993. predicted that Albania was not in position to do much in the case of real conflict.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1817859/1993-01-05.pdf

 

[LABERIA]

Michel Chossudovsky: NATO HAS INSTALLED A REIGN OF TERROR IN KOSOVO (http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/chossu.htm)

Keith Pavlik: NATO’s sponsorship of the Kosovo Liberation Army (http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/2_kla.htm)

Gary Wilson: WHO'S THE KLA? GERMAN DOCUMENT REVEALS SECRET CIA ROLE (http://www.serendipity.li/nato/kla.htm)

Altin Raxhimi, Michael Montgomery and Vladimir Karaj: KLA Ran Torture Camps in Albania (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kla-ran-torture-camps-in-albania)

F. William Engdahl: Kosovo’s “Mafia State” and Camp Bondsteel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/kosovo...s-military-presence-in-southeast-europe/30262)

Michael Montgomery: Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stm)


People know what has happened, so stop standing behind terrorists. If Serbian army wanted to cleanse Kosovo off of Albanians , if would have been quickly over, so it's pointless to hold that position. Even Pentagon in 1993. predicted that Albania was not in position to do much in the case of real conflict.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1817859/1993-01-05.pdf

Yes, we know this. Because you are experts, especially in producing lanterns.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Nothing happens in the world without CIA. It is like a religion to you, comparable to ideas of religious devotes who believe that nothing happens without will of God. Heck, you are very close to Iranian state position, "CIA is the great Satan". Well, you made your own religion, congratulation.

And that's a way also to justify the crimes made by the Milosevic regime. [emoji6]

 

[Piro Ilir]

Michel Chossudovsky: NATO HAS INSTALLED A REIGN OF TERROR IN KOSOVO (http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/chossu.htm)

Keith Pavlik: NATO’s sponsorship of the Kosovo Liberation Army (http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/2_kla.htm)

Gary Wilson: WHO'S THE KLA? GERMAN DOCUMENT REVEALS SECRET CIA ROLE (http://www.serendipity.li/nato/kla.htm)

Altin Raxhimi, Michael Montgomery and Vladimir Karaj: KLA Ran Torture Camps in Albania (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kla-ran-torture-camps-in-albania)

F. William Engdahl: Kosovo’s “Mafia State” and Camp Bondsteel (http://www.globalresearch.ca/kosovo...s-military-presence-in-southeast-europe/30262)

Michael Montgomery: Horrors of KLA prison camps revealed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7990984.stm)


People know what has happened, so stop standing behind terrorists. If Serbian army wanted to cleanse Kosovo off of Albanians , if would have been quickly over, so it's pointless to hold that position. Even Pentagon in 1993. predicted that Albania was not in position to do much in the case of real conflict.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1817859/1993-01-05.pdf

Of course people know what happened. That's why kosova independence is recognised by the whole democratic world. That's why half of Serb leaders were convicted in Hague

 

[Ike]

Yes, we know this. Because you are experts, especially in producing lanterns.

Who are we? LoL

And that's a way also to justify the crimes made by the Milosevic regime. [emoji6]

There was no Milosevic regime. It's utter stupidity to try to pin all the problems to Milosevic, but that's what Americans needed and was given to them. That's why we won't have peace here soon.

Of course people know what happened. That's why kosova independence is recognised by the whole democratic world. That's why half of Serb leaders were convicted in Hague

You mean recognized by the same countries that started a war against Serbia to take away Kosovo? Kosovo is not independent BTW, and it won't be. It's just a matter of time when Serbian army will legally step in again.

And one should not trust Hague anymore than Hitler's courts. It's all totally fake and superficial.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Who are we? LoL


There was no Milosevic regime. It's utter stupidity to try to pin all the problems to Milosevic, but that's what Americans needed and was given to them. That's why we won't have peace here soon.


You mean recognized by the same countries that started a war against Serbia to take away Kosovo? Kosovo is not independent BTW, and it won't be. It's just a matter of time when Serbian army will legally step in again.

And one should not trust Hague anymore than Hitler's courts. It's all totally fake and superficial.

You think that Serbian army is gonna invade kosova again? And what about the 95% its inhabitants who are ethnic Albanians?! Instead dreaming onto kosova, Serbia should care don't loose other parts of her territory. (Sandsak, voyvodina) .

 

[Piro Ilir]

Ike
If you don't like the plan A, we put there the plan B. Lets unified kosova with Albania. It will be better for all of us.

 

[Angela]

It's absolutely amazing to me that after all the horror and bloodshed in the Balkans not so very long ago there are still people who are in favor of another war, and a war whose purpose would be to take over an area where the vast majority of the population is of another ethnicity and culture.

Is there something in the water?

 

[Sile]

Ike
If you don't like the plan A, we put there the plan B. Lets unified kosova with Albania. It will be better for all of us.

we all knew this was what the story was .............land grab ................how dishonest will albanian people be known as ( to the UN ) if this is done!

 

[LABERIA]

we all knew this was what the story was .............land grab ................how dishonest will albanian people be known as ( to the UN ) if this is done!

Yes, you know a lot of things.

What dispute do you have?...............the only problem albanians have is that they believe their government and all the lies/propaganda they state 100%. Other nations populace already now their own government states propaganda. Who are you in dispute with? The problem I see is a dispute between Albania and Kosovo, where current news states that the Kosovo government does not want the albanian flag flown in their lands. the topic is about balkarian disputes............well dalmatians and istrians are disputing with their government

But you don`t provide any prove to your strange theories. So continue to wonder us.

 

[Angela]

The only one here proposing a war to take over land is Ike, obviously on behalf of Serb groups.

As for the people of Kosovo, how about everybody butts out and lets them decide their own destiny. What a novel idea.

 

[Ike]

You think that Serbian army is gonna invade kosova again? And what about the 95% its inhabitants who are ethnic Albanians?! Instead dreaming onto kosova, Serbia should care don't loose other parts of her territory. (Sandsak, voyvodina) .

After the ethnic cleansing, no one has left except the Albanians.

Ike
If you don't like the plan A, we put there the plan B. Lets unified kosova with Albania. It will be better for all of us.

I do believe that was the plan from the beginning - as a member said - land grabbing.

It's absolutely amazing to me that after all the horror and bloodshed in the Balkans not so very long ago there are still people who are in favor of another war, and a war whose purpose would be to take over an area where the vast majority of the population is of another ethnicity and culture.

Is there something in the water?

You're kidding me now? You're the one who wanted the war. You're the one who started it, and you're the one who made sure that foundations for a new one were settled.

The only one here proposing a war to take over land is Ike, obviously on behalf of Serb groups.

As for the people of Kosovo, how about everybody butts out and lets them decide their own destiny. What a novel idea.

I am not proposing war. I am telling you that it is going to happen (like you don't know that?). And I ain't gonna be in in on the behalf of anyone. I am not Serbian, and as far as I'm concerned whole Kosovo could be nuked by Chinese, I wouldn't care anymore then I'd care for Finland or Australia. But, as usual, Serbians won't sit peacefully and let this little nazi plan of yours come true. That's why I like them. And your friends and neighbours are 10x more likely to be seen here fighting for US "national interests", as you people like to call it.

 

[Devils Advocate]

The only one here proposing a war to take over land is Ike, obviously on behalf of Serb groups.

As for the people of Kosovo, how about everybody butts out and lets them decide their own destiny. What a novel idea.

This thread has been a hilarious reading. My wife is from kosovo, they will absolutely never be a part of Albania. Even though western-macedonians/albanians, kosovo albanians and "proper" albanians are the same people there are cultural differences e.g. scandinavia.

Also no, macedonian-albanians aren't 99% muslims. My parents are muslim (secular and not very religious, albeit some). I however have a hard time seeing religion as anything but fairytale. Many of my friends (both from kosovo and macedonia) share my views, while others think there might be a god. There are however, no one who practices the religion fully. I know maybe 1 who actually practices the religion somewhat. There are also lots of orthodox albanians in macedonia, contrary to what is said here. I mean my fathers friend is an orthodox albanian named Miodrag....

I visit albania, kosovo and macedonia yearly. I have still to meet a religious albanian. I mean, if kosovars where so religious they wouldnt drink themselves into oblivion in every god damn wedding ceremony, the albanians in albania wouldn't sell pork in every shop. Hell, if we would be so extremists we wouldn't have weedings where men and women drank and danced together.

The prime minister of albania is catholic right? his wife is muslim and his sons are orthodox. That is a perfect representation of albanian freedom to do whatever you like.

But here is the main issue. Understand this dear neighbours (serbs and greeks mostly), religion is a non-factor in our lives (albanians). You can keep saying albanians are muslim extremists this or that, but the truth is religion is losing its ground. All my friends are "muslim" but they dont care if they eat port or get drunk, that is how muslim most albanians are. Half of my wifes village is catholic, no one gives a damn. There was a funny opinion poll in macedonia where the following questions was asked: "Would you marry an albanian women/man of a different religion or would you marry a man/woman from Bangladesh of the same religion as you?" 97% answered that they'd marry an albanian of different religion. (No offence to any Bangladeshian)

I mean, its amazing how naive some people in this thread are perceiving the world. Albanians in macedonia aim to dissolve or want war is what everyone here is saying. When i asked the albanians in macedonia if war was coming they all looked at me, totally puzzled at why I would ask that. They haven't even thought about the possibility of war. If ever macedonia will splitt, the Albanian part will not be incorporated to either kosovo or Albania. We (me speaking as an albanian from macedonia) respect our albanian neighbours (albania and kosovo) but if we are to splitt, we'd rather stay as a seperate country. Meanwhile, Albania has a problem getting a stable government, let alone talking about expanding its borders (hilarious).

As the albanian saying goes: Religions come and go, but the blood stays the same.

PS: Most albanians love croatians (especially dalmats), bosnians and montenegrins. Regarding greece, most are neutral and respect their culture and military power. So no we dont hate slavs, some dont like greece, some love greece, most dont care really. I'm not sure about turks, I don't like the way they are heading, to much religion.

Edit: The entire post isn't a reply to you Angela, just responding to all the hilarious comments made in this thread,

 

[LeBrok]

This thread has been a hilarious reading. My wife is from kosovo, they will absolutely never be a part of Albania. Even though western-macedonians/albanians, kosovo albanians and "proper" albanians are the same people there are cultural differences e.g. scandinavia.

Also no, macedonian-albanians aren't 99% muslims. My parents are muslim (secular and not very religious, albeit some). I however have a hard time seeing religion as anything but fairytale. Many of my friends (both from kosovo and macedonia) share my views, while others think there might be a god. There are however, no one who practices the religion fully. I know maybe 1 who actually practices the religion somewhat. There are also lots of orthodox albanians in macedonia, contrary to what is said here. I mean my fathers friend is an orthodox albanian named Miodrag....

I visit albania, kosovo and macedonia yearly. I have still to meet a religious albanian. I mean, if kosovars where so religious they wouldnt drink themselves into oblivion in every god damn wedding ceremony, the albanians in albania wouldn't sell pork in every shop. Hell, if we would be so extremists we wouldn't have weedings where men and women drank and danced together.

The prime minister of albania is catholic right? his wife is muslim and his sons are orthodox. That is a perfect representation of albanian freedom to do whatever you like.

But here is the main issue. Understand this dear neighbours (serbs and greeks mostly), religion is a non-factor in our lives (albanians). You can keep saying albanians are muslim extremists this or that, but the truth is religion is losing its ground. All my friends are "muslim" but they dont care if they eat port or get drunk, that is how muslim most albanians are. Half of my wifes village is catholic, no one gives a damn. There was a funny opinion poll in macedonia where the following questions was asked: "Would you marry an albanian women/man of a different religion or would you marry a man/woman from Bangladesh of the same religion as you?" 97% answered that they'd marry an albanian of different religion. (No offence to any Bangladeshian)

I mean, its amazing how naive some people in this thread are perceiving the world. Albanians in macedonia aim to dissolve or want war is what everyone here is saying. When i asked the albanians in macedonia if war was coming they all looked at me, totally puzzled at why I would ask that. They haven't even thought about the possibility of war. If ever macedonia will splitt, the Albanian part will not be incorporated to either kosovo or Albania. We (me speaking as an albanian from macedonia) respect our albanian neighbours (albania and kosovo) but if we are to splitt, we'd rather stay as a seperate country. Meanwhile, Albania has a problem getting a stable government, let alone talking about expanding its borders (hilarious).

As the albanian saying goes: Religions come and go, but the blood stays the same.

PS: Most albanians love croatians (especially dalmats), bosnians and montenegrins. Regarding greece, most are neutral and respect their culture and military power. So no we dont hate slavs, some dont like greece, some love greece, most dont care really. I'm not sure about turks, I don't like the way they are heading, to much religion.

Edit: The entire post isn't a reply to you Angela, just responding to all the hilarious comments made in this thread,

Thanks for this breath of fresh air here. If it comes to blogging, definitely the weird, asocial, and scared of world people and their opinions are over-represented here. Perhaps because they can't keep a job and have too much of free time, they blog sharing their phobias.
Oh, don't look at me...lol.