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    people of the brittish isles

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24475342 Interesting article on European DNA entitled "European origins laid bare by DNA"
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    Which city states in east balkans had the most I2.. Haplogroup during Hellenistic age

    Gerard Butler was born in Scotland to parents of Irish descent he could be R1b, I1 or I2 those Haplogroups seem to cover the vast majority of the Irish Butlers
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    Black Irish come from R1b Iranians?

    The British Monarchy has many ties with the Germanic people, there is Germanic Blood even through the Princes Williams maternal line, Queen Victoria's Grandfather was King George III (of England), King George III was also the King of Hanover. George the III spoke English and was born in...
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    Black Irish come from R1b Iranians?

    Not surprising that Prince William looks a little German his 5th Greatgrandfather is Prince Albert of Saxe Coburg Gotha who married Queen Victoria. His 4th Great grandmother was Princess Alexandra daughter of Christian IX King of Denmark. Both Banderas and Brosnan do look similar.
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    Black Irish come from R1b Iranians?

    It is interesting that the Vikings were referred to, by the Irish, as the Dark invaders, the Gaelic word for black is 'dubh' and for foreigner is 'gall' Many of the invaders families took Gaelic names that utilised these two descriptive words. The name Doyle is in Irish 'O'Dubhghaill'...
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    Black Irish come from R1b Iranians?

    The Armada sailors washed up on the western cost of Ireland did happen 17 Armada ships came ashore, it is well documented please see the link. I do have doubts that a relatively small number of Spanish sailors would have a large impact of the Irish population given that 1588 is not so far in...
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    Black Irish come from R1b Iranians?

    That is also my understanding, in 1588 the Spanish Armada crossed the top of Scotland but did not go far enough to the West before turning south, consequently they hit the coast of western Ireland there are, of course, other theories
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    Were the Irish pure R1b before the Viking and British invasions ?

    Circa 1650, Oliver Cromwell came in and took over. I don't quite understand it but the Butler's don't seem to been have unified in this timeframe. Unfortunately, the Walsh of the Mountain clan resisted Cromwell forcefully. That is was bad idea. Very bad. In 1650s the 1st Duke of Ormond, James...
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    New subforums for main Y-DNA haplogroups

    Good idea, certainly makes relevant information easier tofind
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    Were the Irish pure R1b before the Viking and British invasions ?

    Cambro-Normans is a very good term, as Strongbow himself was a Norman it would make sense that hishigher ranking supporters would also be Normans, the Strongbow invasion of Ireland takes place only about 100 years after the conquest the problem we have is that we do not have a definative DNA...
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    Were the Irish pure R1b before the Viking and British invasions ?

    Sparkey Thank you for the reply What I was trying to establish, due the lack of confirmed I2B1Cin Ireland, was that some Irish I2BIC’s were of Norman descent, I agee that there are a number of members of the M233 who are probably more relevant but it isthe Norman\Irish link that really...
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    Were the Irish pure R1b before the Viking and British invasions ?

    I did some further research on the Irish FTDNA project the only other I2B1C match was for the surname of MULLINAX which was a locational name 'of de Moloneaux' from the noble family who trace their descent from William the Conqueror, from Molineaux-sur-Seine, near Rouen. They trace their...
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    Were the Irish pure R1b before the Viking and British invasions ?

    Thank you for the reply I have 4 routes to consider My I2B1C ancestor went straight into Ireland My I2B1C ancestor came to Ireland as part of the early Vikingsraids, 795 onwards My I2B1C ancestor came to Ireland with the Normans from 1169onwards My I2B1C ancestor came to Ireland at another...
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    Were the Irish pure R1b before the Viking and British invasions ?

    I am new to DNA but found this a very interesting thread, my family are Butlers from the Kilkenny\Laois area of Ireland and I have justfound out that I am I2b1C so question I have is, as most of the Butlers whoclaim Irish descent seem to belong to R1b1a2 and the in comming Butlers were...
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    Y-dna & genealogy

    Surnames are a relatively recent development; people often adopted the name of the local clan or Lord to integrate themselves into the local community. The surname is a good guide forrecent research but going back into the 1500’s a surname for the common man may simply not exsist. The early...
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