I thought we were past the whole Freudian animal analysis angle...?
I thought we were past the whole Freudian animal analysis angle...?
first off...some religions werent started by man
Christianity and Judaism are based on facts given to us by the one true God
i believe(take it for what it is worth) that this country was founded on Christian morals and that that is the only way it will stand
allowing gay marriages to be legal would start corruption of the government
i am not treading on anyones pursuit of happiness
i am just saying that although there are gay ppl out there like kuro_tsubasa who try to keep me from expressing my beliefs i will stand firm in my God-made religion
wow, if you don't know already I know forkagentsmith personally, because he lives right down the road from me, and we play poker and study Japanese together.
I used to think the same way as forkagentsmith, but I am starting to think/realize/believe that we shouldn't get in the way of their rights. They should have the same rights. I also now understand that just because I believe something that it doesn't make it "right" to EVERYONE. I have found that out the hard way too.
And in your post you show some selfishness with the statement:
"i am just saying that although there are gay ppl out there like kuro_tsubasa who try to keep me from expressing my beliefs i will stand firm in my God-made religion"
Well it can't always be about OUR beliefs and OUR religion. We don't have to make everyone believe what we believe, but as being a Christian it is about telling them about the Gospel, Jesus Christ, and what we believe, and let God take over from there...
Anyway there is much more but I am hungry lol.... so til the next post...
BamaFan, that has to be the smartest and most enlightened thing I have read about religion on this forum since I joined. Very, very well put.
Thanks. I take things too sarcastic... but I will believe you hehe. ^_^
Na, wasn't being sarcastic. :cool: It's the only post I've read from a religious person's point of view that actually said "our way may not be the right way for everyone else" (at least, as far as I can remember).
Yeah, that was a fast reply... Thanks. Yeah I was just about to edit my post. I don't know exactly yet what I believe. I started a thread about that somewhere, but maybe there should be ..... a comprimise, or is it only Christianity, or is the religion thing just a fantasy... I dunno yet, but I hope to find out.
In that case, what do you think "Truth" is? I have been trying to find that out for awhile now.... I am not sure if Christianity is right, if it's all fake, or there is no God... you know all the possibilities..... :clueless:
until then.... :ramen: lol
Lol, yeah, instant e-mail notification let's me reply quicker. ^.^"
And though it's not exactly the thread to get into this subject, I'll let you know that I believe in the possibility of anything. I don't put my faith into any one thing, but I don't discredit it as false. There could be one, all mighty God, or Zeus and Hera could be sitting on a mountain laughing at all of humanity. I'm pretty confident in science, though, so there'd have to be overwhelming evidence to push me towards an actual "religion". I guess you just never know. :-)
I can see what you mean....
Genes influencing male homosexuality identified
"They identified sequences of DNA related to sexual orientation in three separate chromosomes
"There is no one 'gay' gene," said Mustanski. "Sexual orientation is a complex trait, so it's not surprising that we found several DNA regions involved in its expression."
"Our best guess is that multiple genes, potentially interacting with environmental influences, explain differences in sexual orientation."
The researchers analyzed the genomes of 456 men from 146 families with two or more gay brothers.
"Our study helps to establish that genes play an important role in determining whether a man is gay or heterosexual," said Mustanski. "The next steps will be to see if these findings can be confirmed and to identify the particular genes within these newly discovered chromosomal sequences that are linked to sexual orientation.""
Still a long way to go, but at least science shows progress.
First of all, I think it is ok for gays to get married, why not? As long as they love each other, and those involved parties consent...then let them do what they want. Others should not have any right to object. They are the one living their lives, not thoes who object.
Just wondering, a gay couple adopts a child, whose surname should that child follow?
How does that child call their parents? Call them both daddy? or...
Sorry, I don't know any gay couple with a child...However, I am quite interested in knowing their lifestyle. Can anyone kindly tell me?
George Bush, is a very arrogant president. I do not like him, I think that he is trying to push his religious beliefs on the entire nation. Which is wrong, and against his own. Not everyone believes Gay & lesbian's are evil demons trying to corrupt the world. I for one am one of them who don't believe the same as him.
I hear about the "seperation of church and state" all the time. That is despite the fact IIRC that there is no such doctrine written into the US Constitution or in any codified law of the Federal government. Look it up, boys and girls.
It is a doctrine based soley on opinions of many jurists in the United States of America, but not in any precendent of which I am aware. It may be on the books in different states (I dunno know, but I doubt it because cases are always being argued--more correctly threatened to be argued--in Federal courts) but not with the Feds.
Nevertheless, assuming its existance, why are we arguing at all? Marriage is a institution native to religions. Civil unions--as opposed to marriages--are available to homosexual and lesbian couples already in many states. Why is the issue of marriage important? It is not a civil liberties issue in the states that permit civil unions, and that is a fight that everyone could win in each and every state north of Virginia and west of Nevada. So why does the fight over marriage go on?
I dunno, but I have my own carefully guarded opinions. Don't ask...won't tell ya! Put it to music, the answer is the same.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
Dura lex, sed lex
marriage allows these ***** to adopt/grow up children/to have those around at home legally.
marriage is defined as to establish a bond to secure the act of growing up children. cheers.
christianity votes for itself. not that the bishops love underage persons. NO. HOW THEY DO IT. THIS MAKES ME ANGRY.
nothing more to say. abolish the discussion.
annull these marriages and fine the registrars. ban the bishops and close down their houses.
i know these words are hatred, but it is a shame for america.
imagine HULK flirts with little boys and buys them sweets. are you getting sick? and hulk is not that narrowminded.
for those who need explanations: this would set up a bad example, and put america in the situation of getting a military attack target.
spongebob is O.K. as it is, as long as there are no insane crosses and churches in ghey colors.
take it easy. soap tastes good, but in a marriage cake? one meaing of this is we have enough soap opera.
im sorry first off all, im not going to read 260 posts that would take me to long, so i just read the first 30..
my opinion about gay marriage, is that it should be legal... because, when a person love somebody male or female, the have should be able to life together, sometimes marriage is a fiancial thing, somtimes its just because of love and ceremony. who is a president, or other people to tell people what they should do or not do with there love one....
this is i think a verry serieus thread ( its in the serieus discussions duh) because for gay people its a really big problem, in many places in the world!!!
im happy to life in the netherlands, where we have lots of freedom with things like this, and opinions ( how ever saying your opinion is getting difficult here, after the murder of PIM FORTUIN, and movie maker THEO VAN GOGH)
In 2 months my mom is going to marry her girlfriend. before this my mom had some other lesbian relations, and im Happy for her a lott.... and also for her wife, whom i can get along really good!!!!
im happy that they can marry each other, also for fianancial reasons, and for example, if my mom dies her girlfriend have NO RIGHTS ON ANYTHING.....
so as i say in this, i dont have people around me that are against gay marriage, or anything like this.... but the last month a new problem came up and that is, that my japanese girlfriend her parents have a hard time to respect that... and her mom maby even want the rest of the familie not to know anything...
it hurts me a lott, and even my girlfriend ....
i hope that in the future gay people will get more rights, and more respect, because there normal people like everybody else!!! so as i said before ... WHO THE **** IS A PRESIDENT TO DESIDE ABOUT PEOPLE THERE LIFE, IF ITS THIS PERSONAL!!!
greetings BAka dutch
good rant Dutch Baka! I agree! Gay marriage should definitely become legal. Not letting people who love eachother marry one another when they want to is SICK and stupid! I don't get the people who are against gay marriage... *angry* (um, I have not bothered to read all the posts so I don't know what the oppinions are)
Sweden is a pretty liberated (is that right?) country, and we have these gay pride festivals and all - but Gay marriage is still forbidden.. I can't believe that. There are still too many people out there who are against homosexuality... *wants to fight with the ones who are against gay marriage*
You have a lesbian mother? Cool.. I've never met anyone with a lesbian mother. :cool:
that is crazy yeah.. so they say : SURE YOU GAY PEOPLE CaN HAVE PARTIES AND THAT KIND OF THINGS, NO PROBLEM...Quote:
Originally Posted by isayhello
ow you want to get married,,,mmm no im gay people are not allowed to get married in here....
i think btw,, just my personal opinion gay people are pretty nice, and funny, at least the once i know!!!
thanks for your sharring opinion isayhello
I'm just jumping in here to give my opinion, then I'll flee to the shadows:
The only problem with gay marriage is... that people have a problem with gay marriage. This is only an issue because people have made it an issue. Nothing bad happens in places where gay marriage is legalized. The Netherlands didn't implode and Canada hasn't fallen into the sea. Everyone just take a moment to imagine what would actually happen if all gay couples on the planet were allowed to marry. What happens? Nothing. Just a whole bunch of happy gay people.
it might be the fate of christianity.
remarkable a system of belief (one superhero died for a community of people)
introduced by the ROMANS.
for the purpose of establish heterosexual bonds, for the purpose of childbirth.
the romans HAD orgies, baths, wine, sexual freedom. and fate.
not to say i am not a christ, because i do not like wine/painful death glorification.
means the discussion is not affecting me and i should not contribute.
well and i am not living in america.
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Originally Posted by EnzoHonda
imagine a world of people which are not narrowminded.
no need to be ghey anymore.
or to increase taxes for all (no more tax reductions for families)
or to decrease taxes for all (tax reductions for families no more required)
probably you can read the biography of this politican:
and get an answer yourself. he was the predecessor of bush/clinton.
well i have edited my reply and reduced the NEGATIVE speak.
to show some piety now that the pope has deceased.
a message to the church of christus: underage choir OR this marriage.
not both things.
it lacks seriousity, remember the church is also responsible for birth and burial.
four couples whatever composition, they do not really need marriage. it is just to have a little financial advantage, and to adopt children legally.
I think to Adopt children LEGAL is a Verry important thing !!! and the Financial advantage ( as you call it advantage) is important...
my mom is a lesbien, and have a g/f who lives her... that g/f here live is in this house... if my mom dies ... that g/f DOESNT HAVE ANYHING,, she wont be able to live in this house,, ( neither do i...) so i think its B-sh*t about LITTLE FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE... and getting married is a big think!!!!!!!!!!!!
in japan, it is expected a man enters permanent relationship with a woman. if this does not occur after the age of 35, people consider this as almost unlikely.
polite how they are, they offer assistance and ask friendly, but sometimes suggestive. at least a formal marriage is entered.
this is economic for all parties.
an unequal relationship can be considered as "hetero", by the word meaning.
of course, english brings gender into play, so you use it wrong.
another example how wrong speak generates "spook" and "abberation".
I am not anti-gay or anything, I in fact have gay friends. However the question of whether gays should be allowed to marry in my opinion is a stupid question. Marriage is between a man and a woman, period. There is no way around it. Saying a homosexual couple is marriage is like saying a construction worker is a fireman. A police officer is a police officer and a construction worker is a construction worker, there is no way around it. Mariage is a union between a man and a woman not a man and a man or a woman and a woman. That is how it has always been. I don't however mind if gays have the same econmical rights straight couples do in a civil union as long as it is not called marriage, because it is not marriage.