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Well we know there were dorian settlements along the albanian coast due to archeaological findings, there are also other non greek finding aswell. But the thing about illyria is that it extended from mid way in albania into now serbia, bosnia, croatia, so you would think that modern day yugoslavs would have kept some words, or maybe had similar archeaological findings, or just maybe the slav language just flat out dominated.

The reason I think that the albanians language developed in the ottoman era was that the past three eras for the region of albania was dominated by latin and greek. It just seems odd that over the past the two thousand years when greek was spreading to be the lingua franca, then latin, then medival greek again, albania kept its language identity when all others didn't. Its a little too far fetched for a history student, considering albanian is a very different language then the rest of albanias direct neighbours, that they would have incorpotate more latin and greek words into their language over the hundreds of years. And the fact albanian didn't have a written language untill what, the modern albanian nation was formed, and even then they didn't know what alphabet to use, arabic, or latin, which they chose latin eventually.

I think there is more to the history of albania during the Ottoman years then we know of. Genetically, albanians are closer to greeks than the traditional 'illyrian' peoples of croatia, bosnia, and serbia. We know of the dorians settlements, the greek arcehaological findings, this leads me to believe that albanians are, or used to be, greeks in some way but changed do to religious and cultural differences that developed over the years from outside influences. This isn't a bad hypothesis. Much like how modern day bosnians see themselves differently from croats and serbs when in reality, they are just islamized croats and serbs.

anyways cheers (y)
 
what dorian and bullshit propaganda

arbanites were greeks
fustanella is greek from πους =feet δενω->δεναλι = bound
πουσδεναλι,
besides the language you are given

shqiptar = ish GYPTAR from egypt

sghqiptars learn the language from arbanites of arber who welcome you
and you genocide them
Suliotes were greeks
as Sulimiotes is peloponese
what bullshit who are talking
suliomiotes as suliotes were illyrogreeks NOT SHQIPTARS
YOU EVEN MAKE KASTRIOTI AN EGYPTIAN ALTHOUGH HIS FAMILY COMES FROM GREEK MAKEDONIA
PRINCIPI EMATHEIA ET CASTURIA
shut with your bullshit propaganda
 
You are really brainwashed. Arbereshe or Arvanite was what Albanians (Shqiptars) called themselves before Skanderbeg died. When he died we changed to Shqiptar which means Shqiperia = Land of the eagles.

Kastrioti was 100% Albanian, his mother Vojsava, Albanian princess from Western Macedonia, his father from Diber (Northern-Albania), border to Macedonia.

Kastrioti allied only with Albanians and a Montenigrian family, never with Greeks. He was Catholic, like major North-Albanians. He founded the league of lezhe and gathered all Albanian princes from Kosovo, Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro. He allied with Leke DUkagjini, Albanian prince from Kosovo

Lekë Dukagjini (1410–1481) was an Albanian prince who fought against the Ottoman Empire. A contemporary of Skanderbeg, Dukagjini is known for the Kanuni i Lekë Dukagjinit, a code of law instituted in northern Albania.

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Leke Dukagjini was founder of the Albanian Kanun. Kastrioti also allied with Albanian preist and historian Marin Barleti

Marin Barleti (Latin: Marinus Barletius, Italian: Marino Barlezio; c. 1450, Shkodër - c. 1520). Barleti was an Albanian historian and Catholic priest. He is considered as the first Albanian historian, especially because of his biography on Skanderbeg, translated in many languages in the 16th to the 18th centuries.

The prologue establishes this sombre framework, but as soon as the author begins the description of his hero, the melancholy present pales into insignificance against the excitement of heroic valour and victorious exploits. But the point of departure is sad. Just imagine what would happen if Alexander the Great returned! Or Pyrrhus, who in his day fought so brilliantly against the Romans! They would hardly be able to recognize their country, but would leave again full of contempt, because it was no longer a home of freedom as in their day. The present squalor is so overwhelming that the author fears he will be unable to convince his readers that Albania was glorious not only in antiquity, but also during the immediately preceding period. Freedom reigned supreme, where now slavery has spread. In those times the whole world looked to Epirus in admiration, where now the only question is whether fortune will never weary of plaguing the country.

-Mina Skafte Jensen: Barleti-Skanderbeg

Barleti wrote a book about Skanderbeg and also wrote Albanians (Arbereshe) are EPIROTANS. mostly in his book he refers to Albanians as Epirotans, living in Kosovo, Macedonia and Albania. and that all these came from Epirus. Looking at Genetic studies and similarities between Albanians and Greeks, he was probably right. He also claimed Alexander the Great as Arbereshe hero, not Greek, and Skanderbeg used Alexanders helmet. If we are Greeks then we would call ourselves Greeks not Arbereshe or Albanian. and there is no such thing as Arbanitas, it's Arbereshe, greeks called us Arvanite. Skanderbeg nor any of these Albanians were never associated with Greeks, lol.. never does Barleti mention Greeks in his book, he only refers to Epirotans/Macedonians as Albanians.

Congratulations iapetoc, you just let your insecurities out, and claimed all Albanians as Greeks, also claim Albanian history as Greek. And there is absolutely no historical evidence to what you just said. Arberia was middle age Albania, not Greece. Arberia was modern day Albania, Epirus and western Macedonia, Kosovo was also populated by Arbereshe of course but it was under Serbian/Montenigrian regime. Arberia, never Greece, if we are Greeks we would call ourselves Greeks, but you Greeks change sides when it suits you, now you are calling every Albanian for Greek. and Albanian language is not related to Greek.

What this idiot, Iapetoc, is saying is that modern-Albanians are not the middle-age Arbereshe/Arvanite, but he says they are Greeks.

During Ottoman time Albanians (Arbereshe) fled to Italy, also Kastrioti's family fled to Italy. Now let's see if these people are greeks or Albanians. (I can't post links)

The Arbëreshë are a linguistic and ethnic Albanian minority community living in southern Italy, especially the regions of Apulia, Basilicata, Molise, Calabria and Sicily.[2] They settled in Southern Italy in the 15th to 18th century AD in several waves of migrations, following the death of the Albanian national hero Giorgio Kastriota Skanderbeg and the gradual conquest of Albania and throughout the Byzantine Empire by the Ottoman Turks. The Arbëreshë have their own distinct culture and have been able to preserve the original Albanian identity[3] over the centuries. Over the centuries the arbëreshë have managed to maintain and develop their identities greek-Albanian, thanks to their stubbornness and cultural value exercised mainly by the two religious communities of the Eastern Rite Byzantine Catholics, based in Calabria, the "Collegio Corsini" (1732) and then "Corsini-Sant'Adriano" in 1794 and Sicily in the "Seminario Greco-Albanese of Palermo" (1735) then transferred to Piana degli Albanesi in 1945. Today, most of the fifty arbëreshë communities still preserve the Byzantine Catholics belonging to the Italo-Albanian Catholic Church of Eastern Rite. They belong to two eparchies: to Lungro for Arbëreshë of southern Italy, and that of Piana degli Albanesi for Arbëreshë of Sicily.

Prior to the Ottoman invasion of Albania, the native people in the area of Albania were all called Arbëreshë. After some were forced[citation needed] out of their homeland to Italy, these Italian-born Albanians continued to use the term Arbëresh whilst those in Albania called themselves Shqiptarë (compare the Albanian word Shqip, present in the local name for the country and the language).

"Albanese" or "Albanesi" which occurs in several of the Italian names above is the Italian language word for "Albanian" or "Albanians", respectively. ("Albanese" is also a common surname among the Arbëresh and their overseas descendants.)

Arbereshe and Arvanite (THE SAME THING)

Only Greeks called Albanians Arvanite, Albanians called themselves Arbereshe, Italians called us Albanese.

Arbereshe are Albanians that left Albania during Ottoman invasion, and are still Catholics, while We Albanians (Arbereshe) in Albania started calling ourselves Shqipetar in honor of Skanderbeg, so two different words, the same people. There are only 250,000 Arbereshe in Italy, and probably 100,000 thousand in Greece today.

The word Shqiptár is also used in a few villages of Thrace, where Arvanites migrated from the mountains of Pindus during the 19th centur

And I know many Arvanites that live in Greece, they are all Albanians, with Albanian names, only they are Orthodox Christians, I also know many Arbereshe in italy that are proud Albanians here is a list:

* Giorgio Basta (1544–1607), aristocrat, general and military strategist in the Holy Roman Empire.
* Lekë Matrënga (1560–1619), priest, one of the first writers in Albanian language.
* Pope Clement XI (1649–1721), born Giovanni Francesco Albani, Pope from 1700 -1721.
* Jeronim de Rada (1814–1903), poet, folklorist and Albanian nationalist.
* Anton Santori (1819–1894), writer, playwright and poet of the Albanian National Awakening.
* Francesco Crispi (1819–1901), 19th century Italian politician, Prime Minister between 1887–1891 and again between 1893-1896.
* Zef Serembe (1844–1901), lyric poet.
* Zef Skiroi (1865–1925), poet, linguist, publicist and folklorist.
* Antonio Gramsci (1891–1937), Italian philosopher, writer, politician and political theorist.
* Costantino Mortati (1891–1985), statesman and contributor to the Italian Constitution.
* Giuseppe T. Gangale (1898–1978), Italian philosopher, philologist and poet.
* Enrico Cuccia (1907–2000), banker, founder of Mediobanca and important figure in Italian post-war industrial reconstruction.
* Stefano Rodotà (1933), politician.
* Joseph J. DioGuardi (b. 1940), American politician.
* Kara DioGuardi (b. 1970), singer, songwriter and American Idol judge.
* Claudia Conserva (b. 1974), Chilean TV hostess and actress.
* Amalia Granata (b. 1981), Argentine model.
* Ernesto Sábato (b. 1911), Argentine writer.
* Regis Philbin (b. 1931), American media personality and occasional actor and singer.
* John Cena (b. 1977), American Professional wrestler
 
Well, when it comes to religion Albanian Catholics are more like Latins. I mean if you look at their names you could think they are Italians, while Muslims are more Turkish surnames because Ottomans formed clans and changed them in to Turkish surnames. so all Christians that were converted were changed their surname into Turkish.
 
That is why Pasha, an Albanian nationalist said, ''Albanians wake up, you are Latins, Greeks and Turks by religion, wake up, the religion of Albanians is Albanianism''

This was way before Enver Hoxha, Albanian national awakening started even during Ottoman war.

Jeronim de Rada
[1] (in Italian: Girolamo de Rada 1814 - 1903) is a writer of Italo-Albanian literature,[2] who was the foremost figure of the Albanian nationalist movement in nineteenth-century Italy.
Albanian nationalist (Arbereshe from Italy). see the Arbereshe in Italy are still proud Albanians, and there are many nationalists among them like Jeronim de Rada, I also know many Arvanite from Greece who are nationalists. So who are you to call these people Greeks or Italians? Let them decide what they wannabe called, and clearly they are Albanians, as for fustanella, it's Albanian kilt adopted by Greeks from Markos Bocari, no doubt.

Here is a youtube video of Arbereshe in Italy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5C6yvDCBk

I can't see any Greeks, only Albanians.

Most Arbereshe are still proud Albanians, while the Arvanite, it is said that they have been assimilated in to Greek population, this is not quite true, the Albanians in Greece have been mugged and beaten up for saying they are Albanians, that's why many are scared to say they are Albanians. Because I personally know some Albanians in Greece. Also the Chams were murdered by Greeks. How can we be brothers with such people?

The Ottoman and Slavic invasion should of never happened!

But I have to say Byzantine Empire also ruined Albanians, because from the North (Catholics) we spoke and wrote in Latin, and we had Latin names, if you looked at our names you could think we were Italians, while from the South we spoke and wrote Greek and were Orthodox Christians.
 
That is why Pasha, an Albanian nationalist said, ''Albanians wake up, you are Latins, Greeks and Turks by religion, wake up, the religion of Albanians is Albanianism''

This was way before Enver Hoxha, Albanian national awakening started even during Ottoman war.

Jeronim de RadaAlbanian nationalist (Arbereshe from Italy). see the Arbereshe in Italy are still proud Albanians, and there are many nationalists among them like Jeronim de Rada, I also know many Arvanite from Greece who are nationalists. So who are you to call these people Greeks or Italians? Let them decide what they wannabe called, and clearly they are Albanians, as for fustanella, it's Albanian kilt adopted by Greeks from Markos Bocari, no doubt.

Here is a youtube video of Arbereshe in Italy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5C6yvDCBk

I can't see any Greeks, only Albanians.

Most Arbereshe are still proud Albanians, while the Arvanite, it is said that they have been assimilated in to Greek population, this is not quite true, the Albanians in Greece have been mugged and beaten up for saying they are Albanians, that's why many are scared to say they are Albanians. Because I personally know some Albanians in Greece. Also the Chams were murdered by Greeks. How can we be brothers with such people?

The Ottoman and Slavic invasion should of never happened!

But I have to say Byzantine Empire also ruined Albanians, because from the North (Catholics) we spoke and wrote in Latin, and we had Latin names, if you looked at our names you could think we were Italians, while from the South we spoke and wrote Greek and were Orthodox Christians.

This is a very albanian centric point of view, there are alot of different peoples who wished things turned out differently, but they didn't. I think the question now is how we can move foward, and I don't think ultra-nationalism is the answer. If I were an albanian living in albania... or kosovo I guess, I would be worried about reforming said countries to get aligned with EU standards, because right now there is alot of corruption in both countries. This will not only improve the lives of albanians but for the region to do business as well.
 
Amen, brother Elias
 
the albanian canun is also a Greek kanon κανων and means law we can find also in minor asia in Kulla and even to pontic greeks,
is the ancient law of families,
besides that law is also in crete but it is named as Vendeta (revenge)

there is another thred also about albania,

what do you believe, the albanians came from greece to dardania or fron sicily?

the arvanitet knew that they were greeks, and return back to avoid the changes in albania,
most arvanitet are tosk, and some gegs, and were at Kastrioti army,
but the betrayal of baraba pasha, and the religion change and the hunt of albanians push them south,
besides all arvanitet were with ali pasa but the genocide of suliotet, prove them that the same happened to kastrioti is going to happened to them,
so they abandoned ali pasa,
besides arvanitet stay in the old,
it is the albanians that change, first with serbs, then with normands, and last with turks,

besides Ducagkini are also 2 families living in greece, and were at kastrioti army
 
The custom of wearing fustanella (kilt) can be explained as the kilt worn in Egypt thousands of years BC.

www.kingtutshop.com/freeinfo/Ancient-Egyptian-Clothes.htm

“The ancient Egyptians made their own clothes from what their environment and nature gave them. Egypt has mostly a hot climate thus the use of clothes reflect material that is lightweight to suit this type of climate. The ancient Egyptians thus used clothes made of linen. The ancient Egyptians both men and women wore linen clothes all throughout the hot weather. The men wore short skirts around their waists called kilts, while the women wore straight fitting dresses with straps on their shoulders. The wealthy men wore pleated kilts, and the older men wore a longer kilt. When doing hard work, men wore a loin cloth, and women wore a short skirt. Children usually ran around nude during the summer months. Linen is a fabric made from plant fibers. The plant fiber comes from flax plants that grow abundantly along the banks of the Nile. “


Kilts were of various sizes and shapes depending on the position in society, era, etc.

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Part of the Balkan population (carriers of haplogroup E) is from Egypt.
 
the albanian canun is also a Greek kanon κανων and means law we can find also in minor asia in Kulla and even to pontic greeks,
is the ancient law of families,
besides that law is also in crete but it is named as Vendeta (revenge)

there is another thred also about albania,

what do you believe, the albanians came from greece to dardania or fron sicily?

the arvanitet knew that they were greeks, and return back to avoid the changes in albania,
most arvanitet are tosk, and some gegs, and were at Kastrioti army,
but the betrayal of baraba pasha, and the religion change and the hunt of albanians push them south,
besides all arvanitet were with ali pasa but the genocide of suliotet, prove them that the same happened to kastrioti is going to happened to them,
so they abandoned ali pasa,
besides arvanitet stay in the old,
it is the albanians that change, first with serbs, then with normands, and last with turks,

besides Ducagkini are also 2 families living in greece, and were at kastrioti army

Arvanite is the Greek medieval word for ''ALBANIAN'' or simply ''Arbereshe''
This name changed to Shqiptar after Skanderbegs death. It has something to do with the eagle. Turks called Albanians Arnaut. And don't give me bullshit about Arnaut means the ones who never returned lol. Arnaut, Arvanite, Arbereshe.. same meaning.

Arvanite are normal South Albanians, Tosks, of Orthodox Religion.

Kastrioti and Dukagjini were not Tosks, they were Gegs. So was Marin Barleti. They were Catholics.

Leke Dukagjini was Albanian from Kosovo, not Greece or Albania. Kastrioti gathered all Albanians from Macedon, Epirus, Kosovo and Montenegro to fight Turks. Dukagjini was his successor and the founder of the Albanian Kanun. Barleti in his book called Albanians for Epirotans, and Kastrioti as Prince of Epirus (Prince of Albania)

The Kanun was founded by Albanians, in 15th century, and it's still used in Catholic countries. I never heard it was used in Greece, because the Kanun is not used in South Albania, it's only used among Albanians in Montenegro, Kosovo and North Albania, because the Kanun has a northern origin.
 
the albanian canun is also a Greek kanon κανων and means law we can find also in minor asia in Kulla and even to pontic greeks,
is the ancient law of families,
besides that law is also in crete but it is named as Vendeta (revenge)

there is another thred also about albania,

what do you believe, the albanians came from greece to dardania or fron sicily?

the arvanitet knew that they were greeks, and return back to avoid the changes in albania,
most arvanitet are tosk, and some gegs, and were at Kastrioti army,
but the betrayal of baraba pasha, and the religion change and the hunt of albanians push them south,
besides all arvanitet were with ali pasa but the genocide of suliotet, prove them that the same happened to kastrioti is going to happened to them,
so they abandoned ali pasa,
besides arvanitet stay in the old,
it is the albanians that change, first with serbs, then with normands, and last with turks,

besides Ducagkini are also 2 families living in greece, and were at kastrioti army

lol, half of Greek Attica is of Albanian origin. Athens is an Albanian city.

The Greeks in South Albania, himare, that speak Greek are really Albanians. Just a fact.

And you wouldn't call them ''Arvanite'' if they were Greeks, because Arvanite is what Greeks called Albanians. Fact. Albanians called themselves Arbereshe and even Epirotan, later this name changed to Shqiptar. While the Albanians in Italy still use Arbereshe.

The Albanians in Italy also use the two headed eagle, they are fully Albanians, only your ignorance here is the problem.. because if you were smart enough to Search up Arbereshe you would see.

But you are maybe too ignorant to realize that Arbereshe means Albanian? and not Greek.. you are too ignorant to realize that Arvanite also means Albanian not Greek..

Arber, Arbereshe, this is what we called us later Shqiptar.. here the Albanians in Italy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5C6yvDCBk

There are many Arbereshe that are still proud of their Albanian origin, like Joe Diguardio and he is even an Albanian politician in the US.

But I think you live in a fairytale. Your hate against Albanians is so strong that you can't admit the truth. The fact that you actually believe that ''Shqiptars'' committed genocide on the Arvanite/Arbereshe shows how crazy you are. when we actually were the same people, but we just changed our name.

But hey, first learn English, do more re-search and please turn off disney channel.

Because you can actually even find Albanians in Ukraina that escaped from the Ottoman Empire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFMq9v3LVgU

Are they Greeks too? haha

Nice try.
 
yes offcourse,

Suliotet left to bulgaria and return to Greece

keep dreaming man keep dreaming

you are full of wrath cause nobody believes you,

you even do not accept that Greeks and Albanians have same blood,

your eyes are only to make albanian everything that is Greek
 
yes offcourse,

Suliotet left to bulgaria and return to Greece

keep dreaming man keep dreaming

you are full of wrath cause nobody believes you,

you even do not accept that Greeks and Albanians have same blood,

your eyes are only to make albanian everything that is Greek

Iapetoc
There are differences, for example Dienekes, based on existing data, brought some conclusions about the J haplogroup among the Albanians, the possible age of the Albanian population, and more.

Also, among the Albanians were found E81, known as the "Berber marker", as well as rare haplogroup M78* found only in people beside the Nile in Egypt.

And so on., we'll all comment on the topic of Albanians, the Berbers and the movement of E bearers.
 
OMG Iapetoc !

How can you say something completely the opposite of the true, what is this poor propaganda ?! I think here are people who know even a little bit history of that region, and how can they can tolerate someone to speak in this way !

Fustanella is greek ?! when all the world knows that is an albanian traditional costume of the all Albanians, latter was in use only by Tosk Albanians(until today).
Search about Fustanella
- http://www.google.com/#q=the Albani...6&ved=0CAsQ_AUoBQ&prmdo=1&fp=d46d7fcb6d497136 ...{"fustan"-dress in albanian (and in no other language); "funt/d"-the lower part of the dress; "an"-side (or the lower side of the dress - Fustanella), also fút (whith accent at "u"), is the name of that type of clothing, which we put forward at the bottom of the body, when we have to work something.... like freemasons today:)}...

Suliotes are greek ?!
"Both the Suliotes and Hydriotes were Albanians in blood, language, and customs. They were "Greeks" only in the sense that the Vlachs are "Greeks" — they belonged to the Orthodox Church.
The heroism and tenacity which both displayed as their normal opposition to the Turks deepened under Greek influence into a struggle for political liberty, have cast a lustre and a glory upon the whole war which ought by every law of historical justice to modify the judgment which civilisation has passed upon the Albanians. As the Christian Albanians have worked for the greater glory of the Hellenic idea, so the Mohamedan Albanians have contributed to such sympathy as the Turks can still command in the West." - Henry Noel Brailsford - Macedonia: Its Races and Their Future
Search about suliots:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=bks:1&q=suliots+albanian&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&psj=1&prmdo=1&fp=82a567adc72d263b
Suli (Documentary, from todays greek themself)
: http://www.gazotube.com/nfjO9C0M9Hw.html
More about Suliotes: http://www.albpelasgian.com/uncategorized/suliots-and-their-epitome-sate-of-albania.html

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Even Kastrioti is greek ?! - OMG this is... no comment!
Search about Castrioti: http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=bks:1&q=Castrioti&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&psj=1&prmdo=1&fp=82a567adc72d263b
{You have to make him greek, because you know that he was King od Epirus and Macedonia, like albanian(Illyro-Thracian) states, and disorientate your propaganda about Epir and Macedonia} ...The three Shkypetar States, Illyria, Epirus and Macedonia, rose against Rome…-“Albania, the foundling state of Europe”, Wadham Peacock 1914)
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...e”,+Wadham+Peacock+1914)+++&btnG=Search+Books
...it appears that you attempt to protect the identity of controversy todays Greek, by attacking Albanian identity, as the oldest in the Balkans- " you know from where can come the answers and "attack is the best protection"!
With this approach, you explains very clearly how it is configured identity of the Greeks of today, given the lack of Albanian institutions to protect from appropriations.
In this way you todays greeks formed this new greek identity (Now for you every albanian is greek! albanian language is greek! albanian culture is greek!... than Arumuns or Vlach (Thracian descent, and as we know, Illyrians and Thracians had much affinity, that's why in albanian the word "Vlah" is "Brother"), a part of south slavs, orthodox mongols, egyptians, etiopians, gypsies... all are greeks ! ...but the antique glory, identity and pelasgic autochthony, you know that you can find only through albanians as the oldest in Balkans:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223998&l=8c1a610d6b&id=100001133356751




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- It appears that with the same approach you formed the new greek nation. Here's the constitution of 1821 in Greece
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168967_1852707323909_1427574150_2122262_1227707_n.jpg



Here is translated in english:

http://i55.tinypic.com/29qjyuu.jpg

...because there is clearly seen in what basis the Greek state was formed, thus clearly stating that the Greeks had no need to talk Greek, or to have Greek blood, enough was the religion (ie Orthodox) and this policy made possible the absorption (or assimilation) of many other ethnicities.
(I want your respond for this above too)
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Haha even Arvanites are not Albanian ?!
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&...=&aql=f&oq=&psj=1&prmdo=1&fp=82a567adc72d263b
Alban(ians) were call them self Arban (ians); Or Arvan in Greece; Arbresh in Italy; Arnaut in Turkye... but in all times they call them self Shqiptar (Skipetar), that means Shqip (Eagle) Shqiptar="Sons of the eagle"... ancient writers calls them Pelasgians... Romans calls them Illyrian.
I'm albanian and in my tradition are so many pelasgians, illyrians, thracians... tradition, which greeks dont have, my language is "a bridge" between the Greek and Latin language and and is considered the oldest of these (just like was considered pelasgian):http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247827&l=121558727c&id=100001133356751

This topic is about something more concrete but if you want to discuss about deeper things like the identity of albanians and new greeks, I can give you thousends of international scientific works, because albanians (whith surviving history) don't have their institutions for a long time, to protect their culture and identity from thievs like you. Anyway, we have strong roots that enabled us the existence until today.

Ok, let's start whith lesson 1:
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- A school history of the great war by Albert E. McKinley - p.33
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223999&l=089c04944d&id=100001133356751

- Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe 1770–1945
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=250181&l=2bb88f57fb&id=100001133356751

The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=211176&l=e6d3869968&id=100001133356751

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II
Encyclopedia Britannica
- http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187419&l=d42c50fe96&id=100001133356751

- http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187139&l=067cf7e354&id=100001133356751

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III
Encyclopedia of the Muslim World
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247814&l=d01242c974&id=100001133356751





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If you proceed whith your approach, than I'll have to prove you whith thousends international references from scientific studies, that talk deeper about albanians/pelasgians as pre=greek population and thousends of so call "pre-greek" words (or pelasgian words) that are translated in greek today, but are the same even today in albanian.

For Example:
pre greek(pelasgian)----greek<>albanian-----albanian (or pelasgian)

αμας amas------------imitera=nena------------ama, nena, ema...

αταρ-atar--------------tote-ateher--------------atar, ateher...

αυς-ais-----------------aftos=ai----------------ai, aj...

αναιρον-aneron--------oniro=enderr----------aneron, enderron...

αφαρ-afar--------------sti stigmi=ne cast -------afar, afer...

βασαι-vishe------------iselthise=vije-------------vishe, vijshe...

βαν--van--------------porevude-shkojn-----------van, vajten...

βαριον-barion--------provaton=deleve-----------barion, bariu...

βασκ-bask----------paralila porevute=ecin paralel--bask, bashk...

βη-vi----------------prevome=eci,vij-shkoj-----------------vi, vij...

βραχαι-vrahe------psofise=ngordhi------------vra, vrahe...

βριτος-britos-------etos=viti--Frank Bardhi=britmi pare=shtatori=fillimi i vitit.

βυσαι-vishe----------kripse-fshihe, mbuloje----veshje, vishe...

γαναι-gjane--------periptizi=afersisht--------gjane, ngjane...

γουνον-gjunon------gonatizi-gjunjezon-----gjunon, gjunon (geg)...

γραος-graos---------gjini-gra, grua---------graos, gra

διζα-dhiza-----------ekgs=dhia---------------dhiza, dhia

εικειν-ikin---------ipohorun=terhiqen--------ikin, iki...

εντυε-endie-------parasqevazi=endi,endje---endie...

ερδαι-erdhe-------elthe=erdhe--------------erdhe...

ετας-etas-----------patir=babai-------------etas, eti...

εβροεντα-evroenda--skotini=e errta----e vroenda, e vrejtura...

ευροπη-evropi-------skotini,qe hora tis dhisis=e errta edhe vendi i perendimit----------------------------------------evro- evront e erret...

ζει-zi------------------flegji-pervelon--------------zien, zi...

Ζωτεαττας-Zoteatas--Apolloni=Perendia---Zoteatas=Ati Zoti...

κιελλι-qielli--------------uranos=qielli-----------qielli, qielli...

κορτειν-kortin----------kurion=korrin-----------kortin, korrin...

κρειον-krion-------------vasilias=mbreti-----Krieon, Kryeja...

κρουναι-krune----------pigji=burim----------krune, krun-kroj...

μαλα-mala-----------ori=male---------------mala, male...

μενειν-menin-------orgjin-zemerimin-----menin, meni, merin... (This is the first word of Iliades)

πλαγαν-plagan-----------pligji=plage-----------plagan, plaga...

πραιναι=prene----------prionizi=sharron--------prene, pren...
etc, etc...


Or:
Illyrian..............................Albanian.....................English:
atsar................................ acar .............................frost
ask.................................. ashkë ............................
kapa................................. kapa ............................catch
kekja................................ keqja ............................badly
nasor............................ nesër(nesra) .....................tomorow
apa................................... pa ..............................whithout
awalaka............................ flaka ..............................flame
laja.................................. lehje ...............................yelp
wrask......................... vras(rrah,lendoj) .................injure(beat)
stana.............................. shtaza .............................brute
matja.......................... matja,mas,mat .....................measure
dela................................. djal .................................boy
balta................................ balta ...............................mud
berja.............................. berja,bije ............................fall
de.................................... dje .............................yesterday
smerka............................ mjekra ............................beards
tsela............................... tsjella ............................brought
wet.................................. vjet ........................year(or last year)
dedr........................... djath(nga gjedh) ...................cheese
esmi................................ jemi ...............................we are
melita.............................. mjalt ...............................honey
amal............................amal,amël,ëmbël................... sweetly
tamal............................ tamël,qumsht ...................... milk
breda.............................. bredh ...............................loiter
perenda........................... brenda .............................inside
entenda........................... denda ...............................ply
ambiledza .......................e mblodha .......................I gathered
trempa .............................tremb .............................scare
deta............................... djathta ..............................right
mems .............................. mish .................................meat
ambi ................................ mbi .................................above
binda ...............................binda ..............................convince
bugt ................................butë ..................................soft
buzja ...............................buza ..................................lip
druw ...............................dru(druits) ..........................wood(tree)
kuri ................................. guri ................................... stone
mater ............................. motër .................................sister
skap ............................... shkop ..................................stick
stanj .............................. shtoj ...................................attach
lad................................... lodh ....................................tire
mats ................................mos ...................................don't
ngraj ..............................ngroht .................................warm
plat ..................................plot ..................................a lot
tsensmi ............................themi ...............................we say
blora............................ blert(blerim) .....................green(verdure)
njas ...............................ngjesh ..............................compress
dija ................................di(dija) ...........................I knew(knowledge)
dita ..................................dita ....................................day
nat ...................................natë .................................night
pija ..................................pi(pija) ...............................drink
trutja ................................trusja ..............................I press
ngruda ..............................ngrydha ............................I crowd
krupa .................................kripa .................................salt
buma .................................bima ................................plant
busht ................................bisht ..................................tail
nbunj ................................mbij ................................flourish
muja................................ miza ...............................fly(insect)
suj .................................shij(shoj) ..............................rain
lais ...................................lesh ...................................fur
waina ...............................vera .................................summer
deimen .............................dimen(dimer) ........................winter
ranja ...............................rronja(rroj) ........................lives(dwell)
tausnja ...........................thaja (thanja) .......................dry up
deur ..................................deri ....................................to
laus ..................................lasht ..................................old
laidna ...............................e lë ...................................leave
dora .................................dora ..................................hand
kranja...............................kyeja ..................................head
mosnj ...............................muaj .................................month
kousnja ............................quaja ................................I named
tsanja ..........................çaja(thyeja) ............................break
Prij.....................................prij ..................................guide,lead
pari...................................pari (i pari).......................... first, lead
para................................. para ................................... pre, proto, before
per.................................... për .................................... pro
puta............................... pyeta .................................I asked
grawa .............................. grua ...................................women
griwika ............................ gryka ..................................nozzle
mbiwela ............................mbylla ................................closed
leip ..................................lyp .......................................beg
krim ................................krimb ....................................worm
wrip ................................rryp .......................................belt
wara ...............................ura ......................................bridge
Veglia .............................Vegla ......................................Tool
rhinon .............................re (reja) ............................... clouds
sica .................................thika,spata ............................knife/sword
Didi .................................Dede ......................................Dupe
amic................................ mik ........................................friend
est ..................................është .......................................is
cael ..................................qiell ........................................sky
Havá .........................hava(qiell),parajsë................... heaven(+paradise)
creare .............................krijoj ..................................make, create
Vendum ..........................Vendi ....................................the place
Vician ..............................Vise ....................................locations
Malontum ..........................Mal,malet ............................Mountain
Dyrrach Dyrrë......................derë,dyer............................ seaport, door
Ora ...................................ora,koha .............................the hour, the time
fimia ...................................fëmija ..................................child
Dassi .............................. Dash ......................................Aries
Math .............................. Math(madh)............................ great
Hyll ....................................Hyll(yll,ill) ...............................star
barda ..................................bardha ................................white
Bardhyll ............................bardh+yll(us,star) ..............white star
Bardibal ...........................bardh+ball ........................white forehead
Dardhania........................... Dardh+an .............................fruit+side
Dalma ...............................Delmne ................................fold,cattle ( For example: the meaning of the name Dalmatia or Delmatia, which is of Albanian origin, is "land of shepherds" - delminium — pasture for sheep)
(...most of the words are before 1 century, before the Roman period)

Or:
Thracian <> Albanian:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=145992&l=b735ae73c7&id=100001133356751

Or:
Hittite <> Albanian:
http://eltonvarfishqip.blogspot.com/2010/07/ngjashmeria-e-gjuhes-hitite-me-ate.html
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Hitite: (hit) imme - (shq) nime (vërtetë); (hit) ash - (shq) ash (është); (hit) awi - (shq) avitu/avejtu (a vjen); (hit) wer - vejrm (virri, piskati)...


You don't know to speak albanian, but we should note that the Albanian literary language is +- 10% of the total wealth of language, dialects and subdialects. For example, Dr. Robert Else (albanolog), has recorded whith voice 137 dialects and subdialects of albanian language and they are just one piece from all parts and ways of speaking (It's enough to be cleaned from the atrocities and taken to study these words unexplored so far): http://www.albanianlanguage.net/en/dialects/rec_map3.html
For example, I'm from Macedonia and only in my village (whith 600 houses) there are many differences in emphasis and in the selection of words from the albanian 'infinite' syntax... there are so many synonyms and various forms of articulation of words, that distinguishes the neighborhood from neighborhood... but the special thing is that we understand each other completly, but differ in addiction regions of the type of words that are decided to use. This part of the Albanians is very heterogeneous in dialect, from the consequences of restriction to the southeast Pelasgians, to this piece today where they remained crouched, are enrolled in language, as descendants of the ancient cultures that shaped southeast Pelasgians. Weaving in the language of the Albanians in Macedonia, its also enabled me to find words from the Thracian and Hitite (Hetite) langauges (some of them you can see above)...

- ...and who is the common denominator, of these languageges: Illyrian, Thracian, Hittit, Etruscan, old Greek... ?! - Of course, Pelasgian language.
- ...and why for albanian language, scientists can not decide finally from which of these above language, Albanian language is derived ?!
(as we know albanian language contains words from all these aforementioned languages) - ... this "enigma" can be solved (by the way, read "Enigma" from Robert D'Angely) only when is connected directly the Pelasgian whith Albanian language.


So that's why many scholars, rightly, could not determine or Generalized Albanian alone or as part of a group of languages. Once some think that it's Centum, once as SATEM (in fact it serves as a link between these groups, it is a more proof that it stands on above these groups), somtimes of Illyrian origin, Thracian, Dacian, Etruscan, Celtic, Frigian, Hitite or sometimes as the oldest branch of the Indo-European, sometims pre-proto-Indo-European sometimes Anatolian, Paleo-Balkan language sometimes, etc.. Also, this approach are mixet more from albanian langauge "artifacts" that will be noted from Egypt, Middle East, Caucasus, Illyrian peninsula, Apenin ... all around the Mediterranean.
This confusing approach purified when proved the direct connection beetwen Pelasgian and todays Albanian language.

All living languages, especially their largest group, Indo-European ones, lead/guide/ determine the direction to the Albanian language, Albanian language leads to building codes, which (according to Egyptian albanolog Mathieu Aref) has no genesis connection with any other language (p.240-"Albania"). So we speak a language that is created without any previous model, born together with the development of mankind and is suprising the fact that "today's Albanian language has been preserved almost intact during more than 30 centuries (since beginning of the invasion of Indo-European) in the highlands of old Europe [science maintains that the natives living in the mountains (being retrieved from invasions), while in fields newcomers] and above all, those of the Dinaric Alps "(p.435 ibid) and thus attains to explain a large number of Etruscan words, Thracian, Greek, Latin, Basque, Armenian, Celtic, Romanian, etc.. "(ibid f.559).

Or:pelasgian inscriptions that can be read only by the Albanian language:




http://soul-of-the-pillar.blogspot.com/2010/11/pelasgians-and-etruscansgreek-alphabet.html
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66147&l=a2d07351ee&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66176&l=941d1cff0a&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148823&l=72d720898d&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148153&l=151ac01fc3&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148814&l=1e89c95237&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148835&l=f7d2429502&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66166&l=e8a35ea43f&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66167&l=e47d657233&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66179&l=dcc9749043&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66155&l=e023af7946&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66156&l=4ca67cc19f&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66180&l=6c34103025&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66174&l=54f292af81&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66172&l=a6abc2bd9d&id=100001133356751
Etc, etc...


Language scheme, from italian linguist and anthropologist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66233&l=7cb8960819&id=100001133356751





http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=146066&l=a7c909f8b8&id=100001133356751






Pelasgian alphabet:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66315&l=f6d4521ff3&id=100001133356751





http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148670&l=f01e5fe94d&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66143&l=7b3d0c7a42&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66138&l=a86eb322d8&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66140&l=3711081fd8&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66173&l=c44dbf0be2&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=298333&l=b113ea1e72&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66141&l=82eb0edf79&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=298334&l=9d1c6972e0&id=100001133356751


Etruscan - Albanian - English - Vocabulary
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=68996&l=5795be8676&id=100001133356751





http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69017&l=ceb338d776&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69018&l=a82de2194c&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69019&l=27116aced9&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69020&l=cc60a41bea&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69021&l=7a09b6e9ce&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69022&l=6aafa23683&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69023&l=42ccdc766b&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69024&l=86294d8b98&id=100001133356751

Homer Language
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66164&l=62b6e46d8b&id=100001133356751






For skeptics or uninformed people:
... for albanian language, origin, race, culture:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23767&id=100001133356751&l=5e6b160e5a


Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz - Albanolog, mathematicians, german philosopher
"If you want to discover the history from BC and the sciences of that time, you should study Albanian language"

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Besir Bajrami

I still dont understand what are you trying to prove,

that fustanella is only albanian?
then what about the bulgarian karakatsan
are they albanians also?

now about pelasgian

THE HALF OF YOUR WORDS YOU DESCRIBE ABOVE ARE NOT PELASGIAN BUT IE

and please stop bullshit of medern Greek which is more thracian due to Con/polis and find the real words

the half of the above are Pelasgian they are IndoEuropean
You simply proved that albanian language is more IE

for the pelasgian is not prene but priss


ekgs
orgjin
What Greek words are these

SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER NATIONALIST NAZI HIDE THE PROPER GREEK WORDS AND PUT SIMILAR


εντυε-endie-------parasqevazi=endi,endje---endie-endie

THAT IS BULLSHIT
εντυε-endie-------Ετοιμο-αζω=endi,endje---endie-endie
ΕΤΙΜΟ

παρασκευαζει - paraskeyazei = set is progress

BUT WHAT CAN SOMEONE EXPECTS FROM KOLLA AND HIS FOLLOWERS ONLY HIDDEN EVIDENCE IN PURPOSE

THAT IS WHY NOBODY BELIEVES YOU

cause you make fustanella only albanian
although it is IE word of 2
pous and lio = lose foot

remember the posdenarion of ancients
the cloth that binds feet of baby pos-deno
pous+lyo ly - elyon and lellika


κιελλι-qielli--------------uranos=qielli-----------qielli-qielli

uranos but also siel ciel why you dont mention that

the color of the sky is ciel or cian or cyan and modern is galano -> caliano galazio

now as you see the connection is done qielli k=g=ch=q gallano


now lets see the words you gave 1 by one

amas namu-namai Greek also ema nema emetera IE word not Pelasgian

atar GR tote (ionic atote) Lat atum
also Gr Tora nunc
present Tωρα Tora past Tote Τοτε
in Albanian pastaj NO connection with Pelasgian as you claim

aus αου-ς Gr Ουτος Αουτος Aut-os (ionic) avt-os Makedonian aftos athenean
Latin Ipse (hm no latin connection)
Albanian ai both connect
ΕΝΓ ΗΕ

Οναιρων WRONG TOTAL WRONG
ορω = watch - see On + oro means on Vision (in vision)
modern Greek Ονειρο ancient Onar and the dreamer o Ονειρων
Alb enderr
Lat Somnium
not sure but On En must be IE so I can't tell

αφαρ-afar
now my Lexicon gives
Alb afer = narrow?????? probably not good versionof my lexico to show good will
lets see the greek
GR APAX APAK-s ΑΠΑΞ means from the moment (Απαξ, εξαπαντος = once, the exact moment)
Gr Apar in many synthesis like απαρ-αιτητος = απαραιτητος
also par-on = present moment
to understand the Greek you must forget the IE and roman
Par-on = present this moment NON IE
PAR-ELTHON =past moment that pass NON IE
A+par-aithtos = means needed the exact moment NON IE
A+par-Amillos =this momment can not be compared
As you see Greek have the Aphar as APAR and its not in the moment

βασαι????? virb in plural person? or you don't know greek?
next time a transalation in another language
GR s->t as ss->tt
Batai
Batos βατος= walkable, easy pass
Bain-o Βαινω = walk towards
also raid also start move,
Μπαιν-ω Mpen-o in modern Greek
Basis = the head quarter of Bain-on (the area or building of raiders, or soldiers)
Basis = the start of a move or a devastation or even the progress
Basis of a building
iselthise
is not a word in any Greek language but it is a word like εισ-ερχομαι = eiserchomai
iserchomai and means enter means that your lexicon is as mine bad, or
eiselthe - eiserthe
Now in case that Basai means narrow street
Gr is b->p and s to t Patai - pati -πατι = μονοπατι διπατι comes from pat-o (step) and is simmilar to passage pat = pass
IE WORD NOT PELASGIAN

βαν--van already before.
Latin Venio
as Greek is βαιν-ω - Ven-o
watch the above

βαριον-barion WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT WORD ?
In WHICH GREEK WRITER???
Pro-baton = walks before you (you lead them by back, not infront of them)
also Gr Prait-on and Βraita (Bariata change r Braita -Praita)
But the Pelasgian is Kουρατ ->Kurat Kora is the name of the herd of sheeps
later became Kopa gr R (Ρ) is latin P (π)
modern greek kopadi
homeric once names them Βηρατα Birata by what i remember
WRONG INFORMATION
Besides in Albanian is Dhen
BAD APRROACH AND BAD INFORMATION


βυσαι-vishe----------kripse-fshihe, mbuloje----vishe-vishe
now watch carefully
Close = Kleino = Κλεινω ΙΕ
Hide = Κρυβω but also enby-o
Proto-Greek
Δυ-ω = the sunset the end of day
Bυ-ω = turn the light away NOT HIDE
Βυω present
Bysa-me
pluralΕ-Βησα past
means turn off light, fire,
a(s) -Bestos = calcium (no turn off with water) a +βυω
Modern Greek ΣΒΕΝΩ sbeno- sbino
ερδαι-erdhe
GR passive ercho-mai elthe (Ελθε) ερχου
Gr active ΝΟΤ in USE


I will not enter more to trouble
simply you copy paste from a stupid site like aristidi k..... or Z..s10

the man took IE words to prove that Greeks do not speak ancient IE like others,


simply I must remind you that Greek language has elements of Thyrrenian as also IE as also and some other languages,

now next time try to find correct words of Pelasgian trully pelasgian
like
αλοιφ-ω

And besides remember that Greeks have the old Alphabet of Pelasgians which was same with Phoenician
search eteoCretan which was the center of pelasgic after Thera
and also search Latin which is connected


AND PLZ DO NOT DESTROY A SACRED LANGUAGE IF YOU DON'T KNOW
-ai is 1rst person in plural not all -e end to -ai also nominal in plural
by putiing -ai to all means you dont KNOW WHAT YOU WRITE

and don't use bad translators,
I respect every language plz respect mine
And don't write fake or synonyms or bad translation

Simply you are not a linguistic but a cheap propagandist,
who hides evidence to make imprresions
you should be ashamed for that,
if you want write something correct the ask a Greek grammar,
he will help you, but stop wraping other people lingua, it is a shame,
Many times I make mistakes but if I am proved wrong then I accept
all the words you write above are not all pelasgian
many of them are thracian and many IE
The pelasgian is proto-Thyrrenian and not all IE
Thyrrenian has IE but pelasgian a little almost not

like word
αλοιφω Engl anoint
χριω Latin ungues
but also means colourise and CHRISMATION
αλοιφω alifo is medical by a doctor
χριω chri-o chriz-o is political or divine by a priest or a king
χρου-ω chrou-o is the colour, the paint (probably blood, or war collours etc)
noun of virb chri-o is oracle chresm-os
maybe there could be a word in albanian language,
but that does not prove that Albanians are more Greeks than the Greeks
simply proves that both once use a part of that
but by baptising IE as pelasgian is a crime to you mainly

ok Besir

κορτειν-kortin----------kurion=korrin-----------kortin-korrin
in eng carrier
is that a pelasgian???? that is a IE WORD mainly

The Thyrrenian word is Ferro
Greek Φερ-ω Φορε-ας etc
Latin Ferre

Makedonian Verro Βερ-ω (Βεροια-Veria, bereia)
now think the above mistake and be more carefull next time

Besides all the words I read here

Etruscan - Albanian - English - Vocabulary
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...00001133356751

by 90% have a Greek similar world also.
Besides a big % is IE like ate (father, πατερ, pater)
YOU CAN'T CONNECT ALBANIAN WITH THYREENIAN BY USING IE WORDS ACCEPT THAT
IT IS MISTAKE,

but you can prove that albanians are close to the Thyrrenian family of languages than Turkish for example
for example if i compare Greek with IE i will find millions of words, but thaT means nothing,
cause Greek is IE language, like that by comparing IE with albanian you only prove that Albania is in a part of Latin Language family, which is correct in %,
but albanian language is considered unique in IE, meaning that is self developed.
for example by your picks
Tyrrshenian aune
Greek autos
Albania ayne
Czech one
you just proved that Czech are also Etruskans !!!!!!!!!
it is different the pelasgian which is proto Tyrrshenian
besides pelasgian is also connected with city of Avaris
but Thyrrenian with the city of Tyrus
the big problem is by strabo who names thracian tribes,
the connection of thracian with Thyrrenean
albanian slavic persian are satem
while Greek and Latin are centum
that is the main mystery
now about all the other bullshit
albanians are not more greeks than Greeks
neither Greeks are more albanian than albanians

first read about George Maniakis, he is the real awaken of Arber people
but bullshit like Greeks came from outer space and albanians are the ancient Greeks and cheap proves most wrong is ......
Fustanella was wered by 3 tribes
1 is albanian
2nd is inland mountaint thessaly greece and peloponese, and
3 is thracia-bulgaria by the karakats-en -an the black sheep family

Now as everybody that wears Fustanella is not Greek
the same every body that wears fustanella is not albanian
understand that


besides if you considering me ignorant
then cut out the IE words in your books to say who is more Pelasgian,
I m not an ignorant,
simply you give wrong proves to wrong problems,
you just prove me with the links that Albanians are more IE than Greeks
But not the wanted problem
thank you
I know that,

 
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