iapetoc
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well I open this thread just someone to realize who pelasgians were and what was their language,
the Pelasgian is a language that exist even to moden Greek and some other language and is not IE,
for example word
Iasis = healing
Okea = water
Erebos = dark
galene = peace
Aloef Aloif = ointmenτ
gois goessa = desirable , beutifull guzel
naio = i flow
Aga = ruller persian acha akkadian akka
greek anthropos human from hath +roof (rup?) = human
(ra-cena = ? καινο cana(an))
laimos = neck , compare with Pontic and mountain Greek goula = neck IE
Ellios = sun
tele = away
kottana = virgin
rogchos = a breth sound, πιθανατιοσ ρογχος = last breath
Peirithai = girls for mariage
Di-faton = divine snake
Uranus = sky
kaino = new yeni
toponyms
mt Hymettus
E -Mat-tia Ematheia
Set-eia
in Latin and etruscan we also found many
these words also exist in Semitic languages
both languages meet at Akkadian
Akkadian is not a semitic but a proto or a pre semitic,
from Akkadian split the Hattian and the south Semitic.
I can give you sources and books if you want to find for your self,
Pelasgian is the pre thyrrenian,
early minoan - phillistine, thettalian, athenean etc
search for homer who are they,
1) Iliad cataloque of ships
2) The Odyssey, 17.175-177
3) Iliad, 7.467; 14. 230
4) Iliad, 2.681-684; 16.233-235
5) Iliad, 2.750
Herodotus
at Placie and Scylace on the Asiatic shore of the Hellespont;
near Creston on the Strymon; in this area they have "Tyrrhenian" neighbors (Persian Wars 1.57).
thoukidides
Thucydides (2.17)
Thucydides (4.106)
The historian Ephorus preserves a passage from Hesiod that attests to a tradition of an aboriginal Pelasgian people in Arcadia, and developed a theory of the Pelasgians as a warrior-people spreading from a "Pelasgian home", and annexing and colonizing all the parts of Greece where earlier writers had found allusions to them, from Dodona to Crete and the Troad, and even as far as Italy, where again their settlements had been recognized as early as the time of Hellanicus, in close connection once more with "Tyrrhenians."
instead of Arcadia put the Theba we have the myth of Pelasgians
The connection with Tyrrhenians which began with Hellanicus, Herodotus and Sophocles becomes confusion with them in the 3rd century, when the Lemnian pirates and their Attic kinsmen become plainly styled as Tyrrhenians, and early fortress-walls in Italy (like those on the Palatine Hill in Rome) appear as "Arcadian" colonies. The character of the ancient citadel wall at Athens has given the name "Pelasgic masonry" to all constructions of large, unhewn blocks fitted together with mortar, from Asia Minor to Spain, the massive character that has also been called "cyclopean"
Arcado-Cypriot vs Akkado-phoenician ?
Cadmus brother of Phoinix,?
Hattians that time were in Both Cyprus and Levant
the tittle akka = king in akkadian we find later in Persian and Greek also
as acha and aga and in Sophocles as Anakka anax
after we find the word ηγε-μων aga becomes ege
so since someone are in hurry to put Akkadian and Hattian in semitic
let me remind them that from Akkadian sprung both Hattian-minor asian, and south Semitic
this theory is developed by many,
comparing words we find that a western form is more dental
like γαληνη (whalene) and salem s->γ wh
taranis you know why and you can explain it
another issue is the u->o
Uranus ->uranos
other areas we found Pelasgian is Smyrna Area Iona
that language is connected with Eteo-cretan or Hath-cretan attica or Hathi-con
chaonia or Hath-on-ia
comparing the areas is Miletus and probably its colonies
East Crete (seteia is most not invaded area)
Athens (but it is many times invaded and 1 genocided)
Epirus and especially north
area around troy and propontis channel
east and beside Chalkidike river strymon
Thessaly north and around mount olymp
Arcadia peloponese and north shores
other connections
Turkish scholar, Polat Kaya, has recently offered a translation of one of the inscriptions on Lemnos, based on his theory that it reflects a language related to Turkish. However, in the period of the putative date of the inscription the Turkish people lived several thousand miles away in southeastern Siberia. They began to migrate westward only about 300 AD, a fact that has hindered acceptance of Kaya's translation. This theory is almost unanimously ignored by scholars.
Georgian scholars M.G. Tseretheli, R.V. Gordeziani, M. Abdushelishvili, Zviad Gamsakhurdiaconnect the Pelasgian with the Iberian-Caucasian cultures of the prehistoric Caucasus, known to the Greeks as Colchis. This may sound plausible since there were many autochthonic Caucasian peoples dwelling in Anatolia such as the Hattians before the arrival of the Indo-Europeans.
French Zacharie Mayani put forth a thesis that the Etruscan language had links to the Albanian language. This thesis places the Albanian language outside the group of Indo-European languages sharing one branch with Etruscans as well as ancient Greek. Nermin Vlora Falaschi published a translation of the Lemnos stele on this basis, with the help of Arvanite Albanian. The references below by Falaschi, Catapano, Marchiano, Mathieu Aref, Faverial, D'Angely, and Cabej support this point of view.
Romanian scholar Nicolae Densusianu considered the Pelasgian to be a proto-Latin speaking people. He offered a translation for the inscriptions on Lemnos in his study, Dacia Preistorica.
in fact we speak about a language that stand with foot in Etruscan-Latin language and one in Semitic language.
A Hebrew PHD of Tel-Aviv Jehunda gives clear connection of Greek-Pelasgic with Hebrew-Aramaic and puts them both in Syrria and Cilicia, I heard about 1800 words that used by Hesychius
A greek Thomopoulos has recorded Greek and Albanian Pelasgic although inputs some celtic
the linguistic simmilarity is proved by many
on the other hand
we have Bulgarian Georgyev who places them in IE Thracian
an interesting thesis is
Robert Graves who connects them with N Ireland Welsh and west islands in Scotland, comparing their religion
Alternate of Pelasgian I haven't found
but I have found that name Leleges which is use example from Homer fir Miletus in Herodotus is named as Pelasgian
same with name Courites in another author we find them Pelasgians
if a gennetist is sure can give a gennetic connection
comparing the Thyrrenians -Etruscans,
and the Philistines especially Gaza area, the ones in iezekhiel are named Cretans.
the Pelasgian is a language that exist even to moden Greek and some other language and is not IE,
for example word
Iasis = healing
Okea = water
Erebos = dark
galene = peace
Aloef Aloif = ointmenτ
gois goessa = desirable , beutifull guzel
naio = i flow
Aga = ruller persian acha akkadian akka
greek anthropos human from hath +roof (rup?) = human
(ra-cena = ? καινο cana(an))
laimos = neck , compare with Pontic and mountain Greek goula = neck IE
Ellios = sun
tele = away
kottana = virgin
rogchos = a breth sound, πιθανατιοσ ρογχος = last breath
Peirithai = girls for mariage
Di-faton = divine snake
Uranus = sky
kaino = new yeni
toponyms
mt Hymettus
E -Mat-tia Ematheia
Set-eia
in Latin and etruscan we also found many
these words also exist in Semitic languages
both languages meet at Akkadian
Akkadian is not a semitic but a proto or a pre semitic,
from Akkadian split the Hattian and the south Semitic.
I can give you sources and books if you want to find for your self,
Pelasgian is the pre thyrrenian,
early minoan - phillistine, thettalian, athenean etc
search for homer who are they,
1) Iliad cataloque of ships
2) The Odyssey, 17.175-177
3) Iliad, 7.467; 14. 230
4) Iliad, 2.681-684; 16.233-235
5) Iliad, 2.750
Herodotus
at Placie and Scylace on the Asiatic shore of the Hellespont;
near Creston on the Strymon; in this area they have "Tyrrhenian" neighbors (Persian Wars 1.57).
thoukidides
Thucydides (2.17)
Thucydides (4.106)
The historian Ephorus preserves a passage from Hesiod that attests to a tradition of an aboriginal Pelasgian people in Arcadia, and developed a theory of the Pelasgians as a warrior-people spreading from a "Pelasgian home", and annexing and colonizing all the parts of Greece where earlier writers had found allusions to them, from Dodona to Crete and the Troad, and even as far as Italy, where again their settlements had been recognized as early as the time of Hellanicus, in close connection once more with "Tyrrhenians."
instead of Arcadia put the Theba we have the myth of Pelasgians
The connection with Tyrrhenians which began with Hellanicus, Herodotus and Sophocles becomes confusion with them in the 3rd century, when the Lemnian pirates and their Attic kinsmen become plainly styled as Tyrrhenians, and early fortress-walls in Italy (like those on the Palatine Hill in Rome) appear as "Arcadian" colonies. The character of the ancient citadel wall at Athens has given the name "Pelasgic masonry" to all constructions of large, unhewn blocks fitted together with mortar, from Asia Minor to Spain, the massive character that has also been called "cyclopean"
Arcado-Cypriot vs Akkado-phoenician ?
Cadmus brother of Phoinix,?
Hattians that time were in Both Cyprus and Levant
the tittle akka = king in akkadian we find later in Persian and Greek also
as acha and aga and in Sophocles as Anakka anax
after we find the word ηγε-μων aga becomes ege
so since someone are in hurry to put Akkadian and Hattian in semitic
let me remind them that from Akkadian sprung both Hattian-minor asian, and south Semitic
this theory is developed by many,
comparing words we find that a western form is more dental
like γαληνη (whalene) and salem s->γ wh
taranis you know why and you can explain it
another issue is the u->o
Uranus ->uranos
other areas we found Pelasgian is Smyrna Area Iona
that language is connected with Eteo-cretan or Hath-cretan attica or Hathi-con
chaonia or Hath-on-ia
comparing the areas is Miletus and probably its colonies
East Crete (seteia is most not invaded area)
Athens (but it is many times invaded and 1 genocided)
Epirus and especially north
area around troy and propontis channel
east and beside Chalkidike river strymon
Thessaly north and around mount olymp
Arcadia peloponese and north shores
other connections
Turkish scholar, Polat Kaya, has recently offered a translation of one of the inscriptions on Lemnos, based on his theory that it reflects a language related to Turkish. However, in the period of the putative date of the inscription the Turkish people lived several thousand miles away in southeastern Siberia. They began to migrate westward only about 300 AD, a fact that has hindered acceptance of Kaya's translation. This theory is almost unanimously ignored by scholars.
Georgian scholars M.G. Tseretheli, R.V. Gordeziani, M. Abdushelishvili, Zviad Gamsakhurdiaconnect the Pelasgian with the Iberian-Caucasian cultures of the prehistoric Caucasus, known to the Greeks as Colchis. This may sound plausible since there were many autochthonic Caucasian peoples dwelling in Anatolia such as the Hattians before the arrival of the Indo-Europeans.
French Zacharie Mayani put forth a thesis that the Etruscan language had links to the Albanian language. This thesis places the Albanian language outside the group of Indo-European languages sharing one branch with Etruscans as well as ancient Greek. Nermin Vlora Falaschi published a translation of the Lemnos stele on this basis, with the help of Arvanite Albanian. The references below by Falaschi, Catapano, Marchiano, Mathieu Aref, Faverial, D'Angely, and Cabej support this point of view.
Romanian scholar Nicolae Densusianu considered the Pelasgian to be a proto-Latin speaking people. He offered a translation for the inscriptions on Lemnos in his study, Dacia Preistorica.
in fact we speak about a language that stand with foot in Etruscan-Latin language and one in Semitic language.
A Hebrew PHD of Tel-Aviv Jehunda gives clear connection of Greek-Pelasgic with Hebrew-Aramaic and puts them both in Syrria and Cilicia, I heard about 1800 words that used by Hesychius
A greek Thomopoulos has recorded Greek and Albanian Pelasgic although inputs some celtic
the linguistic simmilarity is proved by many
on the other hand
we have Bulgarian Georgyev who places them in IE Thracian
an interesting thesis is
Robert Graves who connects them with N Ireland Welsh and west islands in Scotland, comparing their religion
Alternate of Pelasgian I haven't found
but I have found that name Leleges which is use example from Homer fir Miletus in Herodotus is named as Pelasgian
same with name Courites in another author we find them Pelasgians
if a gennetist is sure can give a gennetic connection
comparing the Thyrrenians -Etruscans,
and the Philistines especially Gaza area, the ones in iezekhiel are named Cretans.
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