R-L21* in France Thus Far

Updating the list to add Hebert (#14), Labelle (#16), and Rideau (#27), all of whom got their L21+ results in the last two days, and to correct the birthplace for the ancestor of Landry (#17).

1. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
2. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
3. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
4. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
5. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
6. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
7. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
8. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
9. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
11. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
12. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
13. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France

14. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
15. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France

16. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
17. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France

18. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
19. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
20. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
21. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
22. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
23. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
24. Martin (Pelland) - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
25. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
26. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France

27. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
28. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
29. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
30. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
31. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France

32. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
33. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
What about Spain ? 7% has been found in Cantabria and 1.6% in Extremadura
 
What about Spain ? 7% has been found in Cantabria and 1.6% in Extremadura

7% of what sample size? 1.6% of what sample size?

Thus far quite a few Iberian guys have been tested. Very few are L21+. R-P312*, R-SRY2627, and R-M153 are far more common in Iberia than L21.

Believe me, I have recruited Iberian guys for testing. L21+ results are few and far between. I expect some to turn up eventually, especially in Galicia, but they just haven't yet.
 
Add another Poitou L21

Andre Sire came to Quebec c. 1668..........from Fontenay le Compte and is positive P312 and L21.........

Interestingly there is an old book pre 1900 which lists ancient families from Poitou who were originally from Geneva Switzerland..........and the Lesuire family is amongst them.

Lesuire is the actual spelling from France........

This would make sense as Switzerland and the Italian region Alps are the ancestral homes for P312 and L21........

Certain of these Helvetian Celts drifted north int southern Germany and Belgic areas............while others drifted into the Rhone Valley and down to the Po Valley.

My understanding is that in France DNA testing is restricted to research purposes only, thus the lack of contribution from them for comparison.
 
Andre Sire came to Quebec c. 1668..........from Fontenay le Compte and is positive P312 and L21.........

Interestingly there is an old book pre 1900 which lists ancient families from Poitou who were originally from Geneva Switzerland..........and the Lesuire family is amongst them.

Lesuire is the actual spelling from France........

This would make sense as Switzerland and the Italian region Alps are the ancestral homes for P312 and L21........

Certain of these Helvetian Celts drifted north int southern Germany and Belgic areas............while others drifted into the Rhone Valley and down to the Po Valley.

My understanding is that in France DNA testing is restricted to research purposes only, thus the lack of contribution from them for comparison.

Please join the R-L21 Plus Project!

Here is the link you can use to join:

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=R-L21Plus
 
Updating the list to add LeBlanc, #19.

1. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
2. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
3. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
4. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
5. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
6. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
7. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
8. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
9. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
11. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
12. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
13. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
14. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
15. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France

16. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
17. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France

18. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
19. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
20. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
21. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
22. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
23. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
24. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
25. Martin (Pelland) - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
26. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
27. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France

28. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
29. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
30. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
31. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
32. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France

33. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
34. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
I have broken down our French L21 results thus far by geographic region.

Alsace
1
Wendling

Aquitaine
1
La Tour

Bretagne
5
Gery
Huet
Le Bras
Le Com
Martin (Pelland)

Centre
3
Hebert
Mireault
Rotrou

Champagne-Ardenne
1
Mylott

Franche-Comte
1
Bontron-Major

Île-de-France
2
Delahoussaye
Doucet

Lorraine
1
Schneider

Normandie
8 total -

Basse-Normandie:
7
DePort
Labelle
Landry
Leprovost
Lessard
St. Jorre-dit-Sergerie
Turpin

Haute-Normandie:
1
Dubois

Pays-de-la-Loire
3
Cartier
Hamon
Sicher (Secher)

Poitou-Charentes
3
Dupuis
Dussault
LeBlanc

Rhone-Alpes
1
Gignoux

France- Exact Location Unknown
4
Chartier
Grenier
Lefeber
Rideau (there is a town called Azay-le-Rideau in Centre on the Indre River, but I don't know if the Rideau surname is connected to it at all)

Here is a map showing the regions of France pretty clearly:

http://www.placesinfrance.com/map_france.html

The following lists the regions in France which thus far have not produced any L21+ reports (I have given the map number from the map above in parentheses to make it easy to spot them on that map):

Auvergne (16)
Bourgogne (Burgundy) (12)
Corsica (22)
Languedoc-Roussillon (20)
Limousin (15) (La Tour's ancestor came from right on the Limousin border, however)
Midi-Pyrenees (19)
Nord-pas-de-Calais (1)
Picardie (2)
Provence-Alpes-Cote-d'Azur (21)

Here's what I think. The apparent concentration of L21 in northwestern France is partly real but also partly the product of North American immigration patterns. The fact that we already have L21 from pretty much all around the rim of France I think is indicative that it is widely distributed throughout that country. Right now we really need some test subjects from the areas above, especially (1), (2), (12), (15) and (16). Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that many Canadians or Louisianans have ancestors who came from those places.

If we have to wait around for more results from current French citizens we may all be pushing up daisies before much is learned
 
Please join the R-L21 Plus Project!

Here is the link you can use to join:

There are a few benefits from being in R-L21 Plus project. We have one of the best databases of deep clade tested, 67 length haplotype people. We even have quite a few that have deep"er" clade tested for the newly discovered SNP's downstream of L-21+.

One of the results of having the deeper levels of data is that we've attracted several researchers who run their phylogenetic diagramming/clustering tools and Time Most Recent Common Ancestor calculations.
 
Updating the list to add Bodine, #1.

1. Bodin(e) - Médis, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
2. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
3. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
4. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
5. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
6. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
7. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
8. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
9. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
11. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
12. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
13. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
14. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
15. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
16. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
17. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
18. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France

19. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
10. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
21. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
22. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
23. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
24. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
25. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
26. Martin (Pelland) - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
27. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
28. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France

29. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
30. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
31. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
32. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
33. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France

34. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
35. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
Time to bump up this thread with the addition of Levasseur, #26.

1. Bodin(e) - Médis, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
2. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
3. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
4. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
5. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
6. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
7. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
8. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
9. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
11. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
12. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
13. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
14. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
15. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
16. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
17. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
18. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
19. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
10. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
21. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
22. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
23. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
24. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
25. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
26. Levasseur - Bois-Guillaume, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
27. Martin dit Pelland - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
28. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
29. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
30. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
31. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
32. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
33. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
34. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France
35. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
36. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
Time to bump up this thread with the addition of Levasseur, #26.

1. Bodin(e) - Médis, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
2. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
3. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
4. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
5. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
6. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
7. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
8. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
9. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
11. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
12. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
13. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
14. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
15. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
16. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
17. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
18. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
19. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
10. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
21. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
22. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
23. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
24. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
25. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
26. Levasseur - Bois-Guillaume, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
27. Martin dit Pelland - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
28. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
29. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
30. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
31. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
32. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
33. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
34. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France
35. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
36. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France

Just remember, France has only just over 2,000 men in FTDNA's Ancestral Origins database, and certainly nowhere near all of them are SNP tested. Compare that to the 52,000 or so entries from the British Isles, many of them SNP tested, and you will appreciate the significance of the level of L21 turning up among men of French ancestry (and L21 is still a relatively newly-discovered SNP). :cool-v:
 
Another update, to add Pontbriant (#30) and Sebille (#34).

1. Bodin(e) - Médis, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
2. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
3. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
4. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
5. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
6. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
7. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
8. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
9. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
11. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
12. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
13. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
14. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
15. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
16. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
17. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
18. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
19. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
10. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
21. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
22. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
23. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
24. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
25. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
26. Levasseur - Bois-Guillaume, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
27. Martin dit Pelland - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
28. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
29. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
30. Pontbriant - Issac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
31. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
32. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
33. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
34. Sebille - Quemper-Guézennec, Côtes-dArmor, Bretagne, France
35. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
36. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France
37. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
38. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
It's amazing to me how many French R-L21* there are given the comparatively limited testing and timespan that L21 has been tested for there.

I would not be at all surprised if we eventually find out that the country with the greatest absolute number of R-L21* people is France, with England second and Germany third.

The populations of Ireland, Scotland and Wales are just so much smaller and testing (apparently of American immigrants) there is so much higher.

Things we call Irish clusters may have to be renamed more appropriately or perhaps just be surpassed with larger "continental" R-L21* sub-clades.

Agree or disagree?

Updating the list to add Hebert (#14), Labelle (#16), and Rideau (#27), all of whom got their L21+ results in the last two days, and to correct the birthplace for the ancestor of Landry (#17).

1. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
2. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
3. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
4. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
5. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
6. Doucet (Doucet Laverdure) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
7. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
8. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
9. Dussault (Dusceau) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
10. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
11. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
12. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
13. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France

14. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
15. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France

16. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
17. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France

18. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
19. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
20. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
21. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
22. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
23. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
24. Martin (Pelland) - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
25. Mireault (Amirault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
26. Mylott (Millot) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France

27. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
28. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
29. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
30. Sicher - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
31. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France

32. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
33. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
I agree. France, Germany, and England are just far more populous countries than Scotland, Ireland, and Wales. That recent study of R1b1b2 in France out of the Univeristy of Santiago de Compostela in Spain is intriguing because it found that, in six of the seven areas studied, what it calls "R1b1b2*" was the most frequent variety of R1b1b2. Since they didn't test for L21 or P312, it leads one to wonder just how extensive L21 is in France.
 
Updating the list to add Lariviere (#2 below). I have added him to the list and also updated it, using the ancestral surname for the entry, with the modern surname in parentheses where needed.

1. Amirault (Mireault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
2. Baudon (Lariviere) - La Jarrie, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
3. Bodin (Bodine) - Médis, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
4. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
5. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
6. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
7. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
8. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
9. Doucet Laverdure (Doucet) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
10. Dubois - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
11. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
12. Dusceau (Dussault) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
13. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
14. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
15. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
16. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
17. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
18. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
19. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
20. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
21. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
22. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
23. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
24. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
25. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
26. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
27. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
28. Levasseur - Bois-Guillaume, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
29. Martin dit Pelland - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
30. Millot dit Champagne (Mylott) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
31. Pontbriant - Issac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
32. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
33. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
34. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
35. Sebille - Quemper-Guézennec, Côtes-dArmor, Bretagne, France
36. Sicher (Secher) - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
37. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France
38. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
39. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
I'm bored, so here's another update.

1. Amirault (Mireault) - Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
2. Baudon (Lariviere) - La Jarrie, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
3. Bodin (Bodine) - Médis, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
4. Bontron-Major - Montussaint, Doubs, Franche-Comte, France
5. Cartier - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
6. Chartier - Quebec, Canada
7. Delahoussaye - Paris, Île-de-France, France
8. DePort - Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
9. Doucet Laverdure (Doucet) - La Ferté-Gaucher, Seine-et-Marne, Île-de-France, France
10. Dubosc (Dubois) - Dieppe, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
11. Dupuis - La Chaussée, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
12. Dusceau (Dussault) - La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France
13. Gery - Morlaix, Finistère, Bretagne, France
14. Gignoux - Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France
15. Grenier - Northern France (exact city or town unknown)
16. Hamon - Le Bourgneuf-la-Forêt, Mayenne, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
17. Hebert - Descartes, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
18. Huet - Dol-de-Bretagne, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France
19. Labelle - Saint-Benoît-d'Hébertot, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France
20. Landry - Neuilly-sur-Eure, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
21. La Tour - Peyrignac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
22. LeBlanc - Martaizé, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France
23. Le Bras - Brasparts, Finistère, Bretagne, France
24. Le Com - Chateauneuf-du-Faou, Finistère, Bretagne, France
25. Lefeber - France (exact location unknown)
26. Leprovost - Lithaire, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
27. Lessard - Chambois, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France
28. Levasseur - Bois-Guillaume, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France
29. Martin dit Pelland - Péaule, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
30. Millot dit Champagne (Mylott) - Villers-le-Sec, Haute-Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
31. Pontbriant - Issac, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France
32. Rideau - France (exact location unknown)
33. Rotrou- Cloyes-sur-le-Loir, Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
34. Schneider - Montbronn, Moselle, Lorraine, France
35. Sebille - Quemper-Guézennec, Côtes-dArmor, Bretagne, France
36. Sicher (Secher) - Drain, Maine-et-Loire, Pays-de-la-Loire, France
37. St. Jorre dit Sergerie (St. Jacques) - Le Rocher, Manche, Basse-
Normandie, France
38. Tatard - Questembert, Morbihan, Bretagne, France
39. Turpin - Brécey, Manche, Basse-Normandie, France
40. Wendling - Kindwiller, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France
 
Bourbons??

Are there any connections between the Rl21 plus and the Bourbons (Capets)?

Second, are there any DYS391=12 in the French RL21's besides Major?

any help appreciated.
 
I can trace my family back to #29 in your list. How do I go about getting tested and joining a project?
 

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