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Oldest European cities
Here is a list of towns and cities in Europe that were founded at least 3000 years ago (prior to 1000 BCE). The list is of course not exhaustive. Feel free to complete it if you have additional information. Abandonned/destroyed cities are ok too.
I have added the probable main haplogroup(s) of the people who founded the city.
7,000 BCE : Choirokoitia (Cyprus) => J2 and E1b1b
6,500 BCE : Sesklo (Thessaly, Greece) => E1b1b and J2 (and G2a ?)
6,000 BCE : Starčevo (Serbia) => E1b1b and J2
5,500 BCE : Pločnik (Serbia) => E1b1b and J2
5,000 BCE : Hallstatt (Austria) => E1b1b and J2 (and I2b ?)
5,000 BCE : Bratislava (Slovakia) => E1b1b and J2 (and I2b ?)
4,800 BCE : Dimini (Thessaly, Greece) => E1b1b and J2 (and G2a ?)
4,500 BCE : Glauberg (Hesse, Germany) => E1b1b and J2 (and I2b ?)
3,900 BCE : Michelsberg (Baden, Germany) => E1b1b and J2 (and I2b ?)
3,800 BCE : Dobrovody (Ukraine) => E1b1b and J2
3,700 BCE : Talianki (Ukraine) => E1b1b and J2
3,700 BCE : Maydanets (Ukraine) => E1b1b and J2
3,200 BCE : Skara Brae (Scotland) => I2b
3,000 BCE : Troy (Turkey) => R1b (and J2 ?)
3,000 BCE : Akrotiri (Cyprus) => J2 and E1b1b
3,000 BCE : Athens (Greece) => E1b1b , G2a, I2, J2
2,700 BCE : Knossos (Crete, Greece) => J2
2,300 BCE : Gournia (Greece) => J2
2,000 BCE : Mantua (Italy) => E1b1b G2a, I2a
1,900 BCE : Mycenae (Greece) => R1a
1,400 BCE : Chania (Crete, Greece) => J2
1,400 BCE : Larnaca (Cyprus) => J2 and E1b1b
1,300 BCE : Heuneburg (Württemberg, Germany) => R1b
1,200 BCE : Lisbon (Portugal) => I2 (?)
1,100 BCE : Cadiz (Spain) => J2 , E1b1b , G2a
1,100 BCE : Chios (North Aegean, Greece) => J2 , E1b1b (and R1b ?)
The oldest towns outside the Aegean follow the Neolithic expansion of haplogroup E-V13 and J2 from Thessaly along the Danube basin (see map below). Unsurprisingly E-V13 is most commonly found from northern Greece to Serbia, with Kosovo peaking at 45% of the population. It reaches 19% in Macedonian Greeks, 23% in Albania, 24% in Serbia, and 40% in the Sesklo/Dimini region of Thessaly.
Haplogroup T originated in the Horn of Africa, like E1b1b and probably arrived in Europe through Thessaly with E1b1b. Its highest incidence in Europe is in Serbia (7%), probably due to an early founder effect among the early farmers in the region. Haplogroup T averages 2% along the Danube (up to Austria), but is hardly found in North-West Europe.
Last edited by Maciamo; 25-04-09 at 15:49 .
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And then there's
Goslar im Harz which might not be the oldest city in Europe but is certainly is old enough (and well preserved) to impress anyone into a 2-week coma.
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Wow! This is amazing information... Thanks for sharing.
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The oldest Musical instruments >>>> Greystones, Ireland
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Good job, Maciamo!
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Quote:
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javonoL21
The oldest Musical instruments >>>> Greystones, Ireland
Nope. The oldest musical instrument so far is a 35,000 year-old flute found in the
Hohle Fels cave in southern Germany.
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Wikipedia has no academic creditability, lol
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I believe that the grooved ware people had villages such as Skara Brae in the Boyne Valley as well as on Orkney on the British Isles dated to 6000 BC. These were quite sofisticated cultures and way beyond what one may normally think of a Neolithic society. Similar to the ancient sites of Meso america and South America.
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Quote:
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thesarasmile
I believe that the grooved ware people had villages such as Skara Brae in the Boyne Valley as well as on Orkney on the British Isles dated to 6000 BC. These were quite sofisticated cultures and way beyond what one may normally think of a Neolithic society. Similar to the ancient sites of Meso america and South America.
Could you provide a link with more information on those villages ? Do you have the location names ?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
thesarasmile
I believe that the grooved ware people had villages such as Skara Brae in the Boyne Valley as well as on Orkney on the British Isles dated to 6000 BC. These were quite sofisticated cultures and way beyond what one may normally think of a Neolithic society. Similar to the ancient sites of Meso america and South America.
Very interesting. Can you provide some archaeological references?
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The grooved ware people? sound like a bunch of hippies.
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Interesting that Scotland has a city listed.
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I think in Turkey there is lots of ancients cities :)
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Oldest continuously inhabited cities in europe are.
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