What do you think of homosexuality (and gay marriage) ?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yes, with incest the health of the child is a major thing. But I still find the law somewhat...I don't know what word I'm looking for here.

And yes, you cannot compare those situations with homosexuality. It's like people who say homosexuals are sinners by comparing them with pedophiles. Did you know there are more straight pedophiles then gay? It's a mute point and besides that the two things have NOTHING to do with each other.

[No-name]

Actually you did imply in post #143 that you thought it was some sort of legal standard. That is exactly what I was responding to. My response was not an attack and it was rather neutral. And the libertarian was a label for the legal position you advanced. I noted that you are a libertarian in this area... not a label of you, but of your specific position. It was not meant as an insult.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I simply said laws shouldn't stand unless they are proventing the violation of rights that doesn't mean that that's the way it is. It just means that is how it SHOULD be. Granted I could have phrased that more clearly but you are still putting words in my mouth and I would like it if you didn't.

[No-name]

To make an action wrong in the eyes of the State it has to be in violation of the rights of either a third party or the person in question themselves.

These are the words you used and the implication is clear throughout your post. I am putting no words in your mouth and it is clear that you are looking for a fight where clearly there is none.

Have I offended you in any way?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I just said I should have worded that better. What do you want me to do? Get on my knees and gravel?

[No-name]

I was only responding to what you posted.

You have not offended me in any way, and there is no need to appologize. I was taken aback and puzzled by responses that seemed unnecessarily and rather hostile.

What I want you to do is keep posting and expressing yourself in whatever way you feel is proper. I think you will find a broad and diverse sample of humanity on this forum that is amazing, accepting, honest, and always frank.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I wasn't apologizing, I was using a phrase to express myself. It's called a figure of speech.

[No-name]

What do you want me to do? Get on my knees and gravel?

The figure of speech you chose suggests an act of contrition-- a physical symbolic apology-- which I was saying is entirely unnecessary.

Your hostility is unwarranted. I am not fighting you, demeaning you, ridiculing you or showing the least bit of disrespect.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

*sighs* Okay, not even going to get into that first point. I already have a headache as 'tis.

I am not being hostile. But if you want me to be then I will be happy to do so. Being strong in stating one's opinions does not always mean one is being hostile.

[No-name]

Not being able to hear the tone of what you are writing, I have to depend on what you have written to covey not only the message, but all the intent.

It has nothing to do with stating your opinion strongly. The following bits from your last posts seem a bit edgy-- exasperated if not hostile:

I simply said .... It just means that is how it SHOULD be. Granted I could have phrased that more clearly but you are still putting words in my mouth and I would like it if you didn't...I just said I should have worded that better. What do you want me to do? Get on my knees and gravel?...I wasn't apologizing, I was using a phrase to express myself. It's called a figure of speech...*sighs* Okay, not even going to get into that first point. I already have a headache as 'tis...I am not being hostile. But if you want me to be then I will be happy to do so. Being strong in stating one's opinions does not always mean one is being hostile.

I am not your enemy. Perhaps this is why Mike Cash thinks you have a chip on your shoulders. You don't need to sigh...or get defensive. I think you will find that people in our community are welcoming and quite civil for the most part and will defend their positions strongly without getting upset or personal unless cornered on rare occasion.

Perhaps we should just drop this and get back to the topic.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Right, so after you take your little jab at me you conveniently want to get "back on topic." Sure, why not?

[No-name]

No jab intended. Again did I say something that offended you? I thought you were sounding offended- exasperated and comming off a bit hostile-- that's all. If I am wrong, just say so and I will back off. Believe me, I am not trying to antagonize or offend you, nor am I arguing with you. If you want to continue this side discussion we can start another thread.

I though the original topic was interesting though.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I ALREADY said I was NOT being hostile. But if you keep pushing then I soon will be.

[bossel]

Thread closed temporarily. I suppose, a cooling period is required.


& open again. Please keep it civil from now on. Thanks.

[No-name]

As a continuation of the threads about gay marriage, I'd like to survey where people stand on this issue, including those who haven't expressed themselves so far.
please read those posts to know my view on the issue :
Is homosexuality natural (genetical, inborn) ?
Can immoral sexual behaviours be criminalized ?
Gay marriage in other countries than the US
Please read this before voting, or you might not understand fully the issues at stake.

Back to business...thank you Bossel...I will hold my tongue

[mcanangel]

I think that if 2 people want to get married, it shouldn't matter. I mean does it really have an effect on you day-to-day life? besides, is our country not a free one, with the motto free to persue life, liberty and the persuite of happiness? if happiness is to them marrying someone of the same sex then so be it, because you are not being forced to do that. If you think about it, this isn't so different as people fleeing thier country to come here to practice their own religion? I mean, sure it isn't what you believe or like, but it is a personal decision. I feel that the freedom is the beauty of the US, but freedom should be freedom. freedom of religion, freedom of love, life, and freedom to choose who you want to spend your life with.

[Thor]

I think homosexuality is acceptable. Homosexuality is just like hetereosexuality. The only problem it has expierenced is because of religion.

[Silverbackman]

Homosexuality does have some history behind it. It has been accepted in many cultures open to it. But if you really think about it has always been a recreational sexual activity like oral or anal sex. In that regard I am totally ok with it and in my opinion; anyone can be bi if they really broke taboo barriers. Never however has it been thought of as the same accord as straight relationships.

Modern western countries seem to get the wrong idea of homosexuality saying that is an equal to heterosexuality. But this clearly was not Mother Nature's intent as Nature intended all recreational activities just pleasurable pre-sex for the main sexual activity of intercourse for offspring.

Homosexuality does exist in large numbers in a species of chimpanzee called bonobos (pygmy chimps). Bonobos are the only non-human animal that engages in homosexual sex on a daily basis, though to them it is recreational only.

So homosexuality seems to be normal enough as far as recreational sex goes, but it doesn't make much sense to link it to a tradition that predates religion and homo sapiens and may even began back when homo erectus walked the Earth (humans being one of the only primates along with gibbons to be mostly monogamous).

[sl0thmachin3]

Live and let live I say. Everyone should have their pick of what they want for themselves. Ideally of course. It's very difficult to beat centuries of indoctrination.

I've no problem with gay people. I find them fun to be with.

[Kinsao]

Nature intended all recreational activities just pleasurable pre-sex for the main sexual activity of intercourse for offspring.

You mean all recreational sex-related activities? I enjoy a spot of table tennis but it never occurred to me to think it was pre- any sexual activity!!

I feel like I really missed out on something...

[No-name]

Without religious reference or inference from design or function, how could we know what "nature intended" with any certainty?

[Carlitos]

Totally agree with gay marriage. People have to find your happiness must be mad to marry, but marry the person you choose must have the same right as heterosexual or homosexual, same responsibilities, same rights.

[Riccardo]

I think that every intolerant shoud put him/herself in front of a mirror and ask him/herself why does he/she hate homosexual people ---> Why are they homophobic? Because if someone doesn't want to give to other people the basic rights to live their lives freely just because they are "different", it means that thay are intolerant and that they hate them.

What I ask is...Is it so much difficult to let everyone live his/her life? Even if someone think that it's wrong and it's not natural..Until they don't damage anyone...What's the problem?

If there was less sexual repression, it would be a better world. That's for sure. :P

[LeBrok]

The fear of strange, different, unfitting, or deformed people has evolutionary past. We are social creatures, and we are the product of the strongest groups/tribes of our ancestors. Obviously homosexuality wasn't the trait that made groups strong therefore wasn't accepted and we are paying price for it now in our liberal societies of today. The traits that made groups united and strong were spiritual/religion, arts/dances/group activities, fashion/traditions, heroism/sacrifices in war, cooperation/sharing, communication/peace within tribe, pride of your tribe/origin related to egocentricity (precursors of nationalism and racism),to name important once.
By negative behavior of most people toward homosexuality, one can deduct that homosexuality was more of a spoiler of the group coherence than a building block, hence having a tough time to become accepted even in today's free world. It also might be a side-effect of fear of anything or anyone that is different than average group norm.
The simplest way to get away with this problem is to educate new generations that homosexual people are valid, full members of our society, our group. If it is all us, there is no they.
The same group instinct that divides groups/nations, can be used to unite, if we all believe that we belong to only one group. There will be no hated "they", it will be only "we".

[Anton, Bear's den]

I personally a traditional man, don't like gays because from my point of view it's mistake of nature. With gays one big problem, they constantly trying to spend their damned parades, it must suppressed. Public advertisement of homosexuality in times when exist a problem with birth rate is unacceptable.