Gay Marriage OFFTOPIC Mike v Hyde

[No-name]

The question is directed at everyone and anyone. I'm certain our perceptions on the treatment of homosexuality are different even if we do have the same little flags.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I think my own personal opinions on this matter have been made rather clear throughout this debate. As far as the opinion of my country...well, just watch the news.

[No-name]

In my school we have a counselor who happens to be gay. He adopted a young man who was having extreme troubles at home because of his sexual orientation-- and was basically abandoned and homeless at the point that my friend stepped in. I have a teacher that adopted a boy who was being physically abused by a step father and emotionally abandoned by his mother. There is one kid- who is flamboyant and openly gay, and in spite of some teasing seems to have adjusted quite well and is somewhat popular among at least his circle of friends.

I think there still is a great deal of intolerance and prejudice in the US directed against homosexuals. That especially young men face bitter and vicious harassment, taunting and even physical violence. We remain a bigoted and intolerant society to homosexuals...But I also feel that there is a significantly higher degree of acceptance than any other time in our history... That homosexuals face fewer restrictions and less prejudice legally and in the work place than before.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

"Fewer" do you realize how that sounds? So just because not as many people harass us then it's suddenly okay when a slightly smaller number does? Right.

[strongvoicesforward]

"Fewer" do you realize how that sounds? So just because not as many people harass us then it's suddenly okay when a slightly smaller number does? Right.

Yes, Hyde, you are right and quite perceptive. There is smugness in the minds of those who qualify their words so as to make things seem "not that bad," so therefore you should be grateful for the scraps you have been thrown. I mean, why should you demand an actual equal chair at the table. You are not like them to deserve such.

I am glad to see you identify it and reject such rubbish. That is the offering of those who do not wish to grant equality of consideration for the hurt they cause.

[No-name]

Didn't at all ever say it was okay. You will face harassment and oposition. That is not new. I don't think it is fair and it won't come from me. Just be prepared for intollerance and bigotry.

It will not stop you however from going to college, getting an education and securing a job in the profession of your choice. It will not prevent you from buying a house and getting the loan, of buying a car and driving without fear of the police arresting you. I would say that that is a significant improvement over the way thing were thirty years ago.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Yes, Hyde, you are right and quite perceptive. There is smugness in the minds of those who qualify their words so as to make things seem "not that bad," so therefore you should be grateful for the scraps you have been thrown. I mean, why should you demand an actual equal chair at the table. You are not like them to deserve such.

I am glad to see you identify it and reject such rubbish. That is the offering of those who do not wish to grant equality of consideration for the hurt they cause.

Right the whole "be glad you have a roof over your head" BS doesn't wash with me. Yes, it's terrible that some people don't but does that mean that I have to lie down and take it just because I have it slightly better then some? Hell no.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

It will not stop you however from going to college, getting an education and securing a job in the profession of your choice. It will not prevent you from buying a house and getting the loan, of buying a car and driving without fear of the police arresting you. I would say that that is a significant improvement over the way thing were thirty years ago.

Actually yes it will. People still get fired for others THINKING that they MIGHT be gay nevermind if they're actually gay. Sure the company'll have a cover reason but everyone knows the real reason for them getting sacked.

[No-name]

Again I never said "be glad you have a roof over your head" or anything close to that sentiment. As far as "lie down and take it..." I never asked you to, don't expect you to and would not want that.

Don't misunderstand what I am saying. It is quite clear if you read it.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Did I say that you said that? No. I was replying to SVF not you.

[No-name]

I wouldn't insult you by saying it is fair. I could tell you don't work for such companies. Like women and people of color have found, you can change laws, but changing people is much harder. You will have to be better at whatever you do just to break even. They can't fire the employee that the company can't live without, the won't fire the guy who makes the bottom line, and they can never fire the boss. You need to be better, work harder and be tougher. Like I said, it is not fair, but the alternative is to accept whatever you get and complain impotently to people who can't change it.

I have at least three gay employees at the high school and two of them are indispensible. The other needs to retire, or move on and I would fire him if he were not tenured. But that has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. (He's not a very good teacher right now.)

[No-name]

Did I say that you said that? No. I was replying to SVF not you.

Sorry, I have him on ignore and can't see his posts. I thought you were putting words in my mouth.
Gome nasai.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Well, if you have a debater on ignore who posts a fair amount then you shouldn't assume that what people say is always directed at you in debates because it could be directed to someone you have on ignore. That's exactly why I don't put anyone on ignore.

[No-name]

It was at the request of a moderator, and not really my preference.

I wish I could see what he is saying... It is rather irksome to be left out of chunks of conversations and have to wait until someone quotes him. But again, I guess it is not that big a deal.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Huh, ya know, I thought it was an admin who ordered you to put him on the ignore list because you were breaking rules. But maybe not. Sabro-san, I would like it if you didn't try and mislead me again. Thanks.

[No-name]

It was maciamo if you need to know. I don't believe it was because I was breaking rules and I wonder where you got this misinformation. I suppose you could ask Maciamo directly what the reason was, but I believe it was to preserve some sense of order. I have made no attempt to mislead you at all.

[Mike Cash]

Who are these others that you speak of? Everyone on here seems pretty mystified by this whole affair actually.

Only one has actually chimed in and indicated having no difficulties understanding my prose:

Mike- I can understand you perfectly

I admit to assuming the silence of others meant they had no trouble understanding it either. Perhaps that was wrong of me.

But on the other hand, only one person has claimed to be unable to understand it......

Are we going to continue with unpleasantries forever? Or does the king-sized (sorry....queen-sized) chip on your shoulder prevent that? How is the new Shakespeare production coming along?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

It was maciamo if you need to know. I don't believe it was because I was breaking rules and I wonder where you got this misinformation. I suppose you could ask Maciamo directly what the reason was, but I believe it was to preserve some sense of order. I have made no attempt to mislead you at all.

Funny how you call what I said misinformation and the person who gave it to me called yours misinformation. Ah, man, what's a girl to do to find the truth? ...*cough* Anyway! I must say I am more inclined to trust the person who gave me this info then you. Nothing personal but that's just how it goes.

[No-name]

I am definitely missing something here. What is actually going on?

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Are we going to continue with unpleasantries forever? Or does the king-sized (sorry....queen-sized) chip on your shoulder prevent that?

Now that was uncalled for.

How is the new Shakespeare production coming along?

Where did that come from? Oh, wait, did you go to my website? Well, in that case you should know.

[Tsuyoiko]

Huh, ya know, I thought it was an admin who ordered you to put him on the ignore list because you were breaking rules. But maybe not. Sabro-san, I would like it if you didn't try and mislead me again. Thanks.

Sabro hasn't been 'ordered' to put anyone on his ignore list and he has broken no rules. He has graciously accepted a suggestion in the interests of harmony. I assure you, you can trust me on that. He has also not misled you in any way. You have misunderstood him, that is all.

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I was going to drop the matter anyway. But alright.

[No-name]

Funny how you call what I said misinformation and the person who gave it to me called yours misinformation. Ah, man, what's a girl to do to find the truth? ...*cough* Anyway! I must say I am more inclined to trust the person who gave me this info then you. Nothing personal but that's just how it goes.

Tsuyoiko's and Hyde's previous posts have rendered my response moot...

I believe my character and attitudes have been quite transparent and speak for themselves. I beleive it to be a rather poor choice if you care to take others assessments instead of what you see for yourself.

[Tsuyoiko]

I think this thread has had its day.