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Haha..
This is ridiculous. Britain has seen many bloody scenes on their own islands.
Britain waged wars in France. Britain was always busy to interfere in the continent of Europe, and so made wars even worse then they were already.

I can't believe Mzungu mchagga means what he says. And Vallicanus either.

They must have a sarcastic day.

Or truly are CIA or MI5 agents. And trolls.

And to Regulus. Britannia doesn't rule anything anymore.

The UK lost the connection with the Euro zone when they refused to introduce the Euro in Great Britain.
The EU is busy to develop a super economy in a very short time. We have lots of opportunities, the only thing is, we don't need the USA and the UK anymore.

And they know that. That's why they are constantly using dirty tricks.

Europe has an interest in Asia, just because we are are part of the Eurasia continent.
Wars are from the past. Economy is the future.
The Chinese already knew that, and are busy to buy the USA.
Who would have thought of that, 50 years ago?

Capitalism has been digging it's own grave for far too long.
Rest in peace.

:rolleyes:
Learn to read!
I said I'm expressing the way of euroscepticism from the British point of view. And Vallicanus of course just confirmed it again!

BTW I wonder who the troll in this forum is. Just read every single sentence again you've just posted above! I don't think I have to discuss things with a person who believes to be a two thousand year old Celtic survivor who is haunted by the CIA and who's goal is to bring humanity back to palaeolithic ages with the use violence and bad manners.
 
Haha..

And to Regulus. Britannia doesn't rule anything anymore.

The UK lost the connection with the Euro zone when they refused to introduce the Euro in Great Britain.

Wars are from the past. Economy is the future.
Capitalism has been digging it's own grave for far too long.

Grow up, I was having fun. On top of that, "The League or Extraordinary Gentlemen" was on tonight. Sean Connery uttered "Rule Britannia' when one of the bad guys died and the Union Jack fell on him and draped his head. It was almost too good to be coincidence.

Maybe you could try to admit to yourself that China's rise is precisely because they took on a tremendous amount of capitalism in their structure. Or was it communalism? (Note a favorite word of the subject)
 
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Are you guys talking about our Grumpy Old Man? I think the Hollywood should make a movie about this unusually difficult and bitter person...., or maybe they made it already?

PS. The script was sent from CIA office.
 
The stupidest thing I have read is that "wars are from the past and the economy is the future".

Is the trouble in Libya and elsewhere just a Holywood movie?

If militant Islam takes over in North Africa, the EU could always defend itself with croissants and really hot latte !
 
Damn, I here more agree with different eurosceptics with their offer to rename modern EU into EUSSR (European Union of Socialist-State Republics) that will remind me about old kind days of Soviet Union :grin:

I bet Canucks are support me, is not it LeBrok???
 
Damn, I here more agree with different eurosceptics with their offer to rename modern EU into EUSSR (European Union of Socialist-State Republics) that will remind me about old kind days of Soviet Union :grin:

I bet Canucks are support me, is not it LeBrok???


Canucks and Russians could combine for one great hockey team.
 
An outrageously strong hockey team.
 
I think there is no sense to change name "EU", no to USE, no to any other. It will look like cheap plagiarism and lack of fantasy / imagination. It also will not help to fix any real problems. What EU really need now is system of expenses control and debts of EU members. If you accepted one common currency then it's already pretty serious. Time of carefree "kindergarten" where no one was responsible for own actions is over. Nice example is event with Greece, if Germany and other members did not help Greece to pay taken debts then "Euro" money turned into one common grave for all. Because in case of Greek bankruptcy (country consist in euro zone) = default of the euro (it's very bad).

Canucks and Russians could combine for one great hockey team.

Yeah, this red maple leaf knows how to play. They defeated our team in Vancouver 7:4 (last Winter Olympics). Damn it!
 
Haha.. Anglo American clowns are still busy to comment on Europe.
Just get the hell outta here!

The civil war in Libya is probably a dirty one. Israeli and the USA companies support Qaddafi for their own benefit.
 
Grow up, I was having fun. On top of that, "The League or Extraordinary Gentlemen" was on tonight. Sean Connery uttered "Rule Britannia' when one of the bad guys died and the Union Jack fell on him and draped his head. It was almost too good to be coincidence.

Maybe you could try to admit to yourself that China's rise is precisely because they took on a tremendous amount of capitalism in their structure. Or was it communalism? (Note a favorite word of the subject)

China took on a tremendous amount of fascism in their structure.
Or you could call it national socialism.

It has nothing to do with communism or communalism.
 
China took on a tremendous amount of fascism in their structure.
Or you could call it national socialism.

It has nothing to do with communism or communalism.

Wait... China's economy has risen because they have become more fascist? That's how this reads.
 
Wait... China's economy has risen because they have become more fascist? That's how this reads.

Yes, capitalism and fascism are one of a kind.
Exploiting people without mercy.
 
Yes, capitalism and fascism are one of a kind.
Exploiting people without mercy.

Okay, so you think that capitalism and fascism create a better economy, and that we should have left-wing government instead because, even though it creates a worse economy, it has other desirable effects. I disagree with your premise, but at least I think I get your point now.
 
Okay, so you think that capitalism and fascism create a better economy, and that we should have left-wing government instead because, even though it creates a worse economy, it has other desirable effects. I disagree with your premise, but at least I think I get your point now.

No, you twist my point into the wrong direction.

A capitalist or fascist economy only benefits the people with power. At the cost of exploiting the working class. In China most people are poor, but a small minority is very rich. The same as the USA.

Economy isn't a thing you can measure. Capitalism measures an economy by looking at the stock markets, but that is a bag of hot air. Time and time again.

So a good economy is very complex.

A good economy will need to be more self supporting

World trade depends much too much on transport nowadays.
It's ridiculous to buy cheap goods in China, and transport the stuff via airways that don't even pay tax over their fuel!
 
No, you twist my point into the wrong direction.

Sorry, I was trying to understand it. :confused: I understand it better now, thanks.

A capitalist or fascist economy only benefits the people with power. At the cost of exploiting the working class. In China most people are poor, but a small minority is very rich. The same as the USA.

Obviously, capitalism in particular reinforces existing wealth, and creates greater income disparities. But compared to systems that reinforce income equality at the expense of overall economic production, capitalism's creation of overall wealth tends to be more beneficial, due largely to charity. As an extreme example, Ethiopia has better income equality than the USA, but where would you rather be poor...? I'm not going to defend "pure capitalism" or say that the USA has the right balance, but the benefits of a good economy can be felt by more than the billionaires.

Economy isn't a thing you can measure. Capitalism measures an economy by looking at the stock markets, but that is a bag of hot air. Time and time again.

True... most measurements leave out important statistics, like long-term stability and potential for innovation, because those are contentious or difficult to measure in any meaningful sense. Employment and GDP can be good indicators, but relying on them too much can produce poor decisions. At the very least, public policy should probably be based less on long-term projections (which always seem to be wrong), and more on unified principles.

Bringing this back on topic, I think that the EU will become more of a unified market-based economy over time, including more traditionally socialistic states... no imminent demise of capitalism there...
 
"You cannot run a monetary union with the likes of Mr Sócrates, or with finance ministers who spread rumours about a break-up. Europe’s political elites are afraid to tell a truth that economic historians have known forever: that a monetary union without a political union is simply not viable. This is not a debt crisis. This is a political crisis. The eurozone will soon face the choice between an unimaginable step forward to political union or an equally unimaginable step back. We know Mr Schäuble has contemplated, and rejected, the latter. We also know that he prefers the former. It is time to say so."
read article

 
Edao, sorry, but that isn't true!

I take Scotland as an example.

Many years Scotland was independent. Until the Scots (like the Dutch) got confronted with the power of the English Navy.
So they gave in to the English, to have a share in economic prosperity.
And so the United Kingdom was born.

What is this?
Pure blackmail.
From the English side.

The EU is totally different.

The Dutch people don't like the EU anymore.. Why?
The Dutch government and companies are gaining a lot from the EU.
The Dutch government has a policy to have a strong economy... And that's why..
The people suffer because of the high prices, high taxes, and they have to work their butts off to get a living.

So I think it's obvious to say.. Hey.. Go to hell, I am going to have a good day, and start living!

The Greeks and other nations that know how to have a good life are a good example for the rest of Europe.

Politics is costing Europe way too much money!
 
"You cannot run a monetary union with the likes of Mr Sócrates, or with finance ministers who spread rumours about a break-up. Europe’s political elites are afraid to tell a truth that economic historians have known forever: that a monetary union without a political union is simply not viable. This is not a debt crisis. This is a political crisis. The eurozone will soon face the choice between an unimaginable step forward to political union or an equally unimaginable step back. We know Mr Schäuble has contemplated, and rejected, the latter. We also know that he prefers the former. It is time to say so."
read article


Well yeah, I totally agree! The only problem is, IMO, from what I've heard and read from people throughout Europe, from every single country, they simply don't want it!
Of course no one in the world wants his nation to be dominated by a higher force, whether it is the EU, the USA or any other country or organization in the world (YES, many Americans even fear the UN). It is a very natural emotion to preserve one own's independence and personal security, everything else only provides mistrust and fear of powerlessness. Also disgrace plays a role, even though most people don't want to admit it.

Now we are in the critical decision of either being dominated by a unity of European countries, but with the guarantee of preserving the independence of this region as a whole, or returning back to relatively powerless nation states, soon overrun by Asian economy and politics and as toys between the real world powers (USA, Russia, China perhaps also India). And yes, in this situation we'll be the lucky ones if USA will defend us against other agressors! I have become a pessimist the last few years and doubt that most Europeans have the ability to understand this and look far enough ahead.
 
It's inevitable, that eventually the European Union will integrate further, and become it's own nation. However, do I believe it will happen in the near future?

No.

I believe maybe in 10-20 years, it will happen though.
 

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