Politics Catalonia may become an independent nation soon...

[Cambrius (The Red)]

A Spanish when mentally think of the displayed map of Spain the Iberian peninsula from the Pyrenees to Lisbon.

Could be part of the problem.

 

[Carlos]

Could be part of the problem.

Most Spanish do not have identity problems. It is true that problems in some regions have been prefabricated and laboratory following a path of indoctrination of their populations selfish purposes. Do not forget that the autonomous business have become for many families related to each other as in the case of Catalonia, where about 6 empararentadas families together handle all prefabricated indoctrination system to stay in power forever as a new aristocracy. That's the problem prefabricated nationalism small regions that dream of being great European nations because other without more, just like that. Quisera not see Europe turned into thousands of regions where villagers from different regions to fight over a cow.

 

[Carlos]

so you agree, get rid of Spain, italy, germany etc etc and have smaller regional spheres of governments looking at brussels to govern them

I disagree on a Europe ruled by small regions converted into small countries overnight would be chaos for Europe and there are many who dream of the destruction of Europe.

 

[edao]

Spanish austerity's brain drain

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Scientists in Spain claim the long-term future of the country is being sacrificed, because of what they call "short-sighted" austerity measures.

Research and development in Spain has been cut by around 40% in the past five years.
The Spanish government says the private sector needs to do more, but many scientists are simply leaving Spain and taking their work abroad.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Spanish austerity's brain drain

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Scientists in Spain claim the long-term future of the country is being sacrificed, because of what they call "short-sighted" austerity measures.

Research and development in Spain has been cut by around 40% in the past five years.
The Spanish government says the private sector needs to do more, but many scientists are simply leaving Spain and taking their work abroad.

This is happening in many places. Terrible ...

 

[adamo]

What a shame, a waste of a beautiful nation (Spain), only for it to be sub-divided into little segments/provinces.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

Just awful ...

 

[LeBrok]

What a shame, a waste of a beautiful nation (Spain), only for it to be sub-divided into little segments/provinces.

But still beautiful provinces!

 

[LeBrok]

So what is the down side of a fragmented Iberia under EU/Eurozone unification?

I'm pretty sure this is the future of Europe. Fragmentation of almost every country under EU.
Furthermore, in 50 years all EU provinces will see huge changes do to free movement and settlement of EU citizens due to economy, retirement, or just picking the favorite spot in Europe to live. At this time English language will become second official language in all EU regions, if not sooner.

 

[Cambrius (The Red)]

It may only be a matter of time before Scotland splits from the UK.

 

[LeBrok]

Spanish austerity's brain drain

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Scientists in Spain claim the long-term future of the country is being sacrificed, because of what they call "short-sighted" austerity measures.

Research and development in Spain has been cut by around 40% in the past five years.
The Spanish government says the private sector needs to do more, but many scientists are simply leaving Spain and taking their work abroad.

I watched this program and to be honest they've picked the worst example of scientists to save. One was a lady, astrophysicist, whose specialization is to discover new extrasolar planets. Well, even if she is very successful in her department, there will never be a benefit to Spanish society, especially in economy. I think, the other example was a cancer researcher. Again even if it wasn't recession, Spain would be always behind very rich countries in this field too. It is cheaper to let others invest in this field (it takes billions and at least 10 years to get any drug to the market these days). Only huge pharmaceutical companies of the world, or venture capital in US can afford that.
Instead Spain should invest in science where it can help economy and jobs soon and grow specialized domestic industry.
Let's see, South Spain is the sunniest place in Europe, and plants love hot and sunny. The problem is the lack of water, it is almost a desert there, surrounded by sea. Therefore why not invest in desalination science. Invent new and inexpensive technologies. Help farmers to access a lot of fresh water for growing food for Europe and Africa (Africa is growing fast these days, and middle class is being made, who by foreign food), and Spain is in good strategic position for this. Also sell the technology abroad.
Next, wastes from fishing industry could be made fertilizer for these new fields in desert. Food doesn't want to grow on sand. Why not invest in science that will turn animal wastes into natural fertilizer inexpensively. Now they can produce organic food in the desert with their own technology. Plus, sell and teach others.
Now that would be a very useful science financed by government in times of recession. I'm sure there are many more examples for Unique to Spain specialization.
I understand that in perfect world we should let scientists research whatever their passion is. But unfortunately in times of great difficulty in Spain, money should be spent wisely for the biggest financial benefit for the whole nation. It is not a time to be selfish and demand funding from almost bankrupt government, just because I'm smart astrophysicist, or because it was alway like that.

 

[Carlos]

What a shame, a waste of a beautiful nation (Spain), only for it to be sub-divided into little segments/provinces.

That will not happen the Spanish Constitution forbids it. The insurgents and those regions indoctrinating their hatred towards their own country go to jail. Small regions are some who have never been a country or a nation and its greatest inventions are mop and lollipop (lollipop stick) and its relative economic wealth due to the privileges granted by Spain itself at the expense of other regions and that it is over, the modern Spanish want equality between Spanish regions, we do not face privileges.

 

[Carlos]

LeBrok Let's see, South Spain is the sunniest place in Europe, and plants love hot and sunny. The problem is the lack of water, it is almost a desert there, surrounded by sea.

No man!!!

No man. I guess refers to the province of Almeria which is one of the richest provinces of Andalusia Spain for greenhouse cultivation. Andalusia is the desert. For example my mitochondrial DNA comes from Grazalema is the rainiest town in Spain. There are times that has missed more water, perhaps in recent times, which has been able to fame, but asked my father was when he was a child and told me that at that time had never drought. Andalucia now has the advantage of being rid of the wild and ill-planned industrialization that had privileged regions during Franco so that is currently doing well and planned and committed to a sustainable and green growth being easy to find in any town orchards solar panels and windmills and clean energy, it also happens in all regions that were denied industrial development that was monopolized by Madrid, Basque Country and Catalonia, the three partners with a scarcity mentality except for themselves.


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[Carlos]

http://especiales.grupojoly.com/ele.../una-fuente-de-vida-y-riqueza-que-se-asfixia/

Progress has been so extraordinary in these years that today 63% of Andalusian agricultural production, valued at just over 10,000 million euros, comes from irrigated land. But that growth has been generated at the expense of the intensive exploitation of the raw material that feeds: water. Irrigation concentrated today 80% of water consumption in Andalusia, this percentage increases to 86% in the Guadalquivir basin. Its evolution in number of hectares [see table] has overwhelmed all expectations of management plans.

The history of water in Andalusia is the tension between conservationists and policy support to irrigation. And this is reflected in the attitude of the Government of Andalusia, which has continued in recent years, a difficult balancing act. On the one hand has continued to turn a blind eye to the unstoppable expansion of irrigated acres. Makes sense: in areas such as Jaén irrigation is vital for economic development, closely linked to the olive grove. It is estimated that through this agricultural method, generated nearly 100,000 direct jobs in Andalusia. The weight of the food industry bases its foundation on the high productivity of irrigation.

 

[Kardu]

Where does the division stop? And what happens to residents who resist independence in a hypothetical case of Catalonia, Euskadi etc. gaining full sovereignty.

 

[Sile]

Where does the division stop? And what happens to residents who resist independence in a hypothetical case of Catalonia, Euskadi etc. gaining full sovereignty.

when Brussels destroys all the nations in Europe to save the EU.

last 2 data taken

November 2012 [51]	50.9( yes )	36.9( no )	12.2 (unsure)
May 2013 [52]	57.8	36.0	6.3

 

[Kardu]

when Brussels destroys all the nations in Europe to save the EU.

last 2 data taken

November 2012 [51]	50.9( yes )	36.9( no )	12.2 (unsure)
May 2013 [52]	57.8	36.0	6.3

Quite possible...

And what puts on my guard is the support of independence by left-wing and marxist parties.. which should be impossible by definition..

 

[Carlos]

Where does the division stop? And what happens to residents who resist independence in a hypothetical case of Catalonia, Euskadi etc. gaining full sovereignty.

Well residents of the rest of Spain would leave bands Catalonia Catalonia taking their savings and end up like Detroit.

 

[Carlos]

What a shame, a waste of a beautiful nation (Spain), only for it to be sub-divided into little segments/provinces.

The first time they tried ended up in a Civil War Spain do not think we are going to divide into the hands of small-independence political indoctrinating of its people with lies.

 

[Carlos]

Spanish austerity's brain drain

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Scientists in Spain claim the long-term future of the country is being sacrificed, because of what they call "short-sighted" austerity measures.

Research and development in Spain has been cut by around 40% in the past five years.
The Spanish government says the private sector needs to do more, but many scientists are simply leaving Spain and taking their work abroad.

Nothing happens to the world are scientists. Now we need to fix a number of problems in Spain are busy sweeping the house we are taking all the garbage and cleaning it fully all the nooks and corners of the country, will soon be all shiny and nothing will be as before then will not return out a scientist and those who went back and Spain will again be and occupy its rightful place as one of the greatest nations ever known to mankind.