Y-DNA haplogroups of ancient civilizations

[Yaan]

northern part of Sophia province, area around Sofia city, is the home of Serdi, Celtic tribe that got thracanized

but the area has very little Celtic R1b
Sophia province has 2.7% U152 and no other S116
and the Sofia city (earlier Serdica) has 1.7% of U152 and 3.4% of other S116

however it has, especially Sofia city area, elevated I2a-din and lowered E-V13 compared to nation average......of course part of this I2a-din may be due to modern Serbs, that are just across the border...but just across the border were also E-V13 Dardanians

in any case this seems to support my theory that some of the Balkan Celts such as Serdi and Scordisci were probably not really R1b celtic but probably more I2a-din celtic... i believe that i2a-din was Celtic prior to becomming Slavic and in that respect Serdi may be the origin of modern Serbs....


idea is that like free Dacians, also free Thracians went to north, in accordance with Russian primary chronicle that speaks of Danubian Slavs (and among them explicitly mentions Serbs and Croats) who moved to Vistula region due to spread of Roman empire.....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Chronicle
http://www.utoronto.ca/elul/English/...selections.pdf


http://people.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/.../jordgeti.html




since Dacians and Thracians were of same Venethi race (R1a people in my opinion with exception of I2a-din Serdi and Carpi), I think they made new tribal name "free Venethi" or Slobodni Venethi
which was abbreviated with Slo-Veneti... the core of this tribe was surrounded with its border tribes Venedi and Anti (both names derived from words having meaning turn, end, border...first one in PIE, second one in iranian)




http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...irii-and-Hirri


when thinking of Thracians in context of haplogroups above keep in mind that after Dacia and Thrace fall under Roman empire and some people left to north in order to stay free, the areas were also settled with people from other parts of Roman empire and influence areas of Greek tribes from south Thrace did enlarge...

1. People in Sofia come from all over Bulgaria
2. It is called Sofia,not Sophia
3. On the otherside of the Bulgarian Serbian border, there are no Serbs but Bulgarians, a well know fact even in Serbia
4. We have I2a din N,
5. There are probably more Bulgarians with Lebanese and Swedish blood than with Serbia(some Lebanese Christian Dads and Swedish Mom), there is no Serb minority in Bulgaria and we do not intermarry with Serbs

[Yaan]

People in Eastern Bulgaria(Varna and Burgas) come originally from the Bulgarian regions of Aegean Macedonia, Aegean Thrace and European Turkey.The Bulgarians in European Turkey come originally from Central South and Aegean Macedonia is it is hard to trace.

[how yes no 3]

According to the new Bulgarian study the highest frequency of I2a-Din is in north- eastern country.

Varna region

Odessos was a mixed community—contact zone between the IonianGreeks and the Thracian tribes (Getae, Krobyzoi, Terizi) of the hinterland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna

[Yaan]

Greek community left Varna between 1878-1920 and was replaced by Bulgarians from North Greece and European Turkey ,so no Greeks in Varna probably a really small % stayed, but after the Balkans wars it was a huge population exchange