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    The Rurikids of Russia don't count as "European" Royalty?

    I guess not. Neither do the Grand Dukes of Muscovy, who don't descend from Rurik:

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ksty/ydna.html

    The interesting thing is that apparently both Rurik and Gedeminas were Finns, not Slavs or Balts. Haplogroup N1c1-L548-L549-L550. It may or may not be that the Grand Princes of Moscow descend from the Piast Dynasty of Early Poland, but they are in a "Slavic" clade of R1a1a. (which?)

    We've learned a lot from this study of the Rurikids - and not just about early Medieval European (perhaps not for this forum) history either. We finally have a set of Y haplotypes with a common ancestor who lived in the 9th century. These are not in macro-haplogroup R1*, so we now can get an idea of STR mutation rates in other parts of the Y tree.

    All the "Europeans" here might want to consider doing that too.

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    For Lithuanians and also for Polish Gediminas and his dynasty is the most real royal! We don‘t have any others I am afraid...

    Well yes, he was a pagan ruler, so he couldn‘t be given a right to a Christian crown by the Pope.

    But Gediminas was a very wise ruler. The ideas of his letters written in XIV century could well read as a XXI century PR action:
    „... letters Lübeck, Sund, Bremen, Magdeburg, Cologne and other cities, explaining that the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was very tolerant to the Christians, but remained pagan and did not accept Christianity only because of brutal Teutonic Knights. Gediminas invited knights, squires, merchants, doctors, smiths, wheelwrights, cobblers, skinners, millers, and others to come to the Grand Duchy and practice their trade and faith without any restrictions. The peasants were promised tax exemption for ten years. The merchants were also exempt from any tariffs or taxes.“
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_of_Gediminas

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    Here is a new ancient DNA study testing the Y-DNA and mtDNA of Swedish statesman Birger Jarl (1200-1266), founder of Stockholm and regent of Sweden, and his son Eric Birgersson, Duke of Småland. Birger Jarl was also the father of Valdemar, King of Sweden and Magnus III of Sweden. Both Birger Jarl and Eric Birgersson were found to belong to haplogroup I1. The mtDNA of Birger was H, while his children with Ingeborg Eriksdotter of Sweden were Z1a.

    By extension of the lineages, we can presume the Y-DNA and mtDNA of the following people :

    House of Bjälbo

    Valdemar I of Sweden (1239–1302) => I1 (Y-DNA), Z1a (mtDNA)
    Magnus III of Sweden (1240-1290) => I1 (Y-DNA), Z1a (mtDNA)
    Birger I of Sweden (1280-1321) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Valdemar, Duke of Finland (1280s-1318) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Magnus IV of Sweden (1316-1374) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Eric XII of Sweden (1339-1359) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Haakon VI of Sweden & Norway (1340-1380) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Olaf II of Denmark & Norway (1370-1387) => I1 (Y-DNA)

    Going up the matrilineal line from Ingeborg Eriksdotter

    Queen Richeza of Denmark => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Sophia of Minsk, Queen consort of Denmark => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Richeza of Poland, Queen of Sweden => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Salomea of Berg => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Adelaide of Mochental => Z1a (mtDNA)

    Going down the matrilineal line from Ingeborg Eriksdotter

    Benedict, Duke of Finland => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Rikissa Birgersdotter of Sweden, Queen of Norway => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Otto the Mild, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Magnus the Pious, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg => Z1a (mtDNA)

    Going down the matrilineal line from Sophia of Minsk

    King Canute VI of Denmark (1163–1202) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    King Valdemar II of Denmark (1170–1241) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Ingeborg of Denmark, Queen of France => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Otto I, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg => Z1a (mtDNA)

    Going down the matrilineal line from Richeza of Poland

    Canute V of Denmark => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Vladimir, Prince of Minsk => Z1a (mtDNA)

    Going down the matrilineal line from Salomea of Berg

    Bolesław IV the Curly (c. 1122-1173), Duke of Masovia, High Duke of Poland => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Mieszko III the Old (c. 1125-1202), Duke of Greater Poland => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Henry (1127/32-1166), Duke of Sandomierz => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Casimir II the Just (1138-1194), Duke of Sandomierz from 1173, High Duke of Poland => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Roman the Great, Grand Prince of Kiev => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Otto II, Margrave of Brandenburg => Z1a (mtDNA)
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    Very interesting topic, thank you for all the information provided. As i read it through, i discovered something interesting. The last russian czar's wife http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alix_von_Hessen and i have almost similar mtDNA: 16111T, 16357C, 263G, 315.1C
    Could someone help me please explain how we are related? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balazo View Post
    Very interesting topic, thank you for all the information provided. As i read it through, i discovered something interesting. The last russian czar's wife http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alix_von_Hessen and i have almost similar mtDNA: 16111T, 16357C, 263G, 315.1C
    Could someone help me please explain how we are related? Thank you.
    The mutations you gave are only in the HVR (hypervariable region) part of mtDNA, so it isn't complete enough to determine the exact deep subclade. Even two individuals who share exactly the same deep subclade may not be related to each other within genealogical times (not within 500 years), especially if it is a fairly common subclade. In this case, it is haplogroup H, the most common haplogroup in Europe, so it doesn't mean anything to share the same haplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al-kochol View Post
    doubts about Windsor's R1b

    It is unlikely that a biological father of prince Albert was Ernest of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

    If the above is true, Prince William is likely to have R1a haplotype (in case Duke Ernest's treasurer was an Ashkenazi Jew) or, alternatively, one of "semitic" haplotypes of Y-DNA (in case the treasurer was a Sephardi Jew).


    Dear al-kochol,

    Please check the facts.

    The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha Windsors or their relatives have never been tested. It is Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, and his progeny, who are predicted to be R1b.

    The Ashkenazi Jews belong to Middle Eastern haplogroups. Only the Ashkenazi Levites are 50% R1a. Levites make only 4% of Ashkenazi Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaeogenetics View Post
    Prince Philip Mountbatten who is William's grandfather tested, and he matches the House of Oldenberg and Czar Nicholas


    Dear Ted,

    Can you please point me to the source about Prince Philip's Y-DNA testing? I have desperately googled for it, but failed to find anything. I asked Maciamo for it, but didn't get any answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaeogenetics View Post
    the Grand Dukes of Muscovy, who don't descend from Rurik:

    freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mozhayski/teksty/ydna.html

    they are in a "Slavic" clade of R1a1a. (which?)


    Ted,

    Those people that turned out R1a1a1g just suspect their descent from Dmitri Donskoy of Moscow based on family LEGEND, with NO documents, and strongly REJECTED by all major Nobility Assemblies.

    These results say nothing about the Grand Princes of Moscow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas Peucelle View Post
    It is a bit "sad" to imagine that a man like Peter The Great may have no descendants at all today? Except for illegitimate unknown children. (I admit I didn't check precisely into the details of the other official daughters he had.. but his personal Y-Chromosome lineage for sure was ending because of all his sons deaths before they had sons.).
    One of his sons (who was sentenced to death by him) actually had a son Peter II, and a daughter, who died teenagers.

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    Very curious the Z1a MtDNA. ¿How common it really is between Swedish people and other Scandinavians?

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    I hope you don't mind, Maciamo, but I thought I'll add some more royalty of interest to that excellent list you've made.



    Kings & Queens of England or Great Britain

    Anne of Denmark (1574-1619) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Mary of Teck (1867-1953) => H (mtDNA)
    Edward VIII (1894-1972) => H (mtDNA)
    George VI (1895-1952) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Denmark

    Sophie of Pomerania (1498–1568) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1557-1631) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Caroline Matilda of Great Britain (1751-1775) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Frederick VI (1768–1839) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Christian VIII (1786–1848) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Louise of Hesse-Kassel (1817-1898) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Louise of Sweden (1851–1926) => H (mtDNA)
    Christian X (1870-1947) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Norway

    Maud of Wales (1869-1938) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Haakon VII (1872-1957) => H (mtDNA)
    Märtha of Sweden (1901-1954) => H (mtDNA)
    Harald V (1937-) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Sweden

    Richeza of Denmark (1190–1220) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Christina of Holstein-Gottorp (1573-1625) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Maria Eleonora of Brandenburg (1599-1655) => H (mtDNA)
    Hedwig Eleonora of Holstein-Gottorp (1636-1715) => H (mtDNA)
    Louise of the Netherlands (1828-1871) => H (mtDNA)
    Sophia of Nassau (1836-1913) => H (mtDNA)
    Gustav V (1858-1950) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Prussia

    Sophia Charlotte of Hanover (1668-1705) => T2 (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of the Netherlands

    Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont (1858-1934) => H (mtDNA)
    Wilhelmina (1880-1962) => H (mtDNA)
    Juliana (1909-2004) => H (mtDNA)
    Beatrix (1938-) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of the Belgians

    Astrid of Sweden (1905-1935) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of France

    Anne of Austria (1601-1666) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Sardinia

    Anne-Marie of Orléans (1669-1728) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Portugal

    Maria II (1819-1853) => H9 (mtDNA)
    Pedro V (1837-1861) => H9 (mtDNA)

    Emperors & Empress of Brazil

    Pedro II (1825-1891) => H9 (mtDNA)

    Tsars & Empress of Russia

    Catherine the Great (1729-1796) => H (mtDNA)
    Paul I (1754-1801) => H (mtDNA)
    Alexandra Feodorovna (Charlotte of Prussia) (1798-1860) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) (1847-1928) => T2 (mtDNA)

    Kings of Romania

    Ferdinand I (1865-1927) => H9 (mtDNA)
    Anne of Bourbon-Parma (1923-) => H9 (mtDNA)

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    Hi,
    I have 2 questions for this very interesting thread:
    1. I see someone said that Mountbatten had tested, can you provide details on his Haplogroup or his Y-DNA?
    2. What would be King George V of Gt Britain predicted Haplogroup or Y-DNA result - as he is from the Wettin line, which goes back to before 1000AD - this info would be useful.
    Regards,
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    I find it interesting the the American Thomas jefferson is G2a .......We did he come from to go to USA
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    ¿MtDna G2a? ¿Really?

    I tell this because he was paternal T...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    ¿MtDna G2a? ¿Really?

    I tell this because he was paternal T...
    Yes I was in Error , I was think of someone else, anyway he is K

    the G was King Lois 16th of france

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    British Royalty - Haplogroup info?

    Maciamo ..... no one replied, so I'll try to see if I can get a direct response from you please:
    1. Has Prince Louis of Battenberg (i.e. Mountbatten) been tested, can you provide details on his Haplogroup or his Y-DNA?
    2. What would be King George V of Gt Britain predicted Haplogroup or Y-DNA result - as he is from the Wettin line, which goes back to before 1000AD - this info would be useful to help track genealogy for a major family.
    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by BradChellew View Post
    Maciamo ..... no one replied, so I'll try to see if I can get a direct response from you please:
    1. Has Prince Louis of Battenberg (i.e. Mountbatten) been tested, can you provide details on his Haplogroup or his Y-DNA?
    2. What would be King George V of Gt Britain predicted Haplogroup or Y-DNA result - as he is from the Wettin line, which goes back to before 1000AD - this info would be useful to help track genealogy for a major family.
    Regards,
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    If it's not in the list, it means they have not been tested (to the best of my knowledge). You can also use Google and search by yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradChellew View Post
    Hi,
    I have 2 questions for this very interesting thread:
    1. I see someone said that Mountbatten had tested, can you provide details on his Haplogroup or his Y-DNA?
    2. What would be King George V of Gt Britain predicted Haplogroup or Y-DNA result - as he is from the Wettin line, which goes back to before 1000AD - this info would be useful.
    Regards,
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    Hi Brad

    Mountbatten was Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh's maternal uncle. His mother, Victoria of Hesse was the eldest sister of Alexandra Feodorovna, the last empress of Russia. Their mtDNA haplogroup was H (Helena). I don't know about his and George V's Y-DNA, though.

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    I thought I read somewhere that King Louis XVI of France's mtDNA haplogroup was N1b?

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    (mtDNA haplogroup H)

    Maciamo,

    If one wished to compare their personal mtDNA, with the same Haplogroup H, is there a web site that you might know of to do this? Register and follow their page instructions, etc.

    Example: mtDNA for King Michael I of Romania, his Mother - Princess Ileana of Romania, her Mother - Queen Marie of Romania (great grandmother - Queen Victoria), her Mother - Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Edinburgh?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanton View Post
    Maciamo,

    If one wished to compare their personal mtDNA, with the same Haplogroup H, is there a web site that you might know of to do this? Register and follow their page instructions, etc.

    Example: mtDNA for King Michael I of Romania, his Mother - Princess Ileana of Romania, her Mother - Queen Marie of Romania (great grandmother - Queen Victoria), her Mother - Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Edinburgh?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Comparing mtDNA sequences with these would be useless to prove any kinship for three reasons :

    1) two individials can share identically the same full mtDNA sequence and still not be related on the maternal line for 2000 years.

    2) none of the royalty listed above had their full mtDNA sequence tested - only the HVRI and HVRII.

    3) just belonging to the same subclade doesn't mean anything since the common ancestors might have lived many thousands, if not tens of thousands of years ago.

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    This is what I thought as well. Secondly, an inquiry as to possible options:

    1. A lock of Queen Victoria's hair?

    2. Exhume the body of Princess Ileana of Romania?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanton View Post
    This is what I thought as well. Secondly, an inquiry as to possible options:

    1. A lock of Queen Victoria's hair?

    2. Exhume the body of Princess Ileana of Romania?
    What exactly is your question ?

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