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    Also is Y-DNA of the Hohenstaufen family known?

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    Maciamo can you list your sources for all this info?

    BTW - some new info:

    Richard III (1452-1485) => J1c2c (mtDNA)
    Y-DNA of Richard III was G2:

    http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/royaldna.shtml

    And here is the comment:

    "P287; Differs from that of three male line descendants of Edward III via John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and Henry Somerset, 5th Duke of Beaufort (1744–1803), which are U152 xL2,Z36,Z56,M126,M160,Z192. Infidelity must therefore have taken place somewhere on either the York or Lancester lines."

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Several distinct Y-DNA halogroups were found among various members of the Rurikid dynasty:

    N1c1 (most frequent)
    R1a L260
    R1a P278
    R1a Z92
    R1a M458
    R1a Z280
    I2a1 (among princes of Turov and Pinsk)

    This info is based on the Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project.

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    What is the DNA of Louis Charles, son of King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette?

    Quote Originally Posted by willy View Post
    He is supposed to be G2a3b1 and very probably L140 +
    This Quote above does not seem to be correct according to what I have read. Can you post on here what his DNA should be from what tests have shown lately since they now believe that the gourd did not have the blood from King Louis XVI and the head did not belong to King Henri the IV? Also is there any way that the results from the testing of the three male descendants of the French Kings could be published or even sent to me in an e-mail? Is there any way to compare a DNA test that is on Ancestry.Com to any of these Kings of France? Sorry for the multiple questions. If you would rather not post on this forum the answers, would you please answer my request by e-mail?
    Thank you so very much for answering my request.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Maciamo, How did you come to this conclusion? How did you come up with all these genetic codes, if there are even genetic codes?

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    ^ Probably Maciamo's results come from modern descendants of (or people who claim to be descended from) these dynasties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    ^ Probably Maciamo's results come from modern descendants of (or people who claim to be descended from) these dynasties.
    Exept Chengis Khan, because no one from his descendents was probably checked.
    These ones who are in FT projects all are from Jochi clan - so they are Merkites.
    I wouldn't be surprized, if Temujin wouldn't be even C.
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    It concerns me that the African Kings and Queens that ruled have been left off of your list, or am I mistaken?

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    2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Street View Post
    It concerns me that the African Kings and Queens that ruled have been left off of your list, or am I mistaken?
    Check the thread's title again. It says 'European kings and queens'.
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    Chengis Khan is not as no one from his descendents was probably checked.
    These ones who are in FT projects all are from Jochi clan - so they are Merkites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Exept Chengis Khan, because no one from his descendents was probably checked.
    These ones who are in FT projects all are from Jochi clan - so they are Merkites.
    I wouldn't be surprized, if Temujin wouldn't be even C.
    Could no one find modern descendents? In light of the recent R1b results this might be prescient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    Could no one find modern descendents? In light of the recent R1b results this might be prescient.
    Polish-Russian Gengiskhanids were checked, but all they
    are descendants of Jochi, who was not a real son of Temujin.
    Real gengiskhanids live in China, Mongolia and Central Asia,
    but it is probably very hard to proof. Maybe in China they
    can have some pedegrees, but I am wonder if Mings would
    not simly kill them all... it is probable. But if some traditional
    descendancy from temujin would be confirmed among some
    Mongol or central Asian families, it could have some probablity.
    IndoeuR1opeans forward!

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    Does anyone know if Charlemagne has any documented direct male line descendants? Any guesses what his haplogroup might be? I would imagine R1b-U106 is the most likely possibility.

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    Maciamo,

    Could you publish the exhaustive ancient DNA list, please?
    I.e. archaeological results only. Without any descendants testing and further reconstructions.

    Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mich Glitch View Post
    Maciamo,

    Could you publish the exhaustive ancient DNA list, please?
    I.e. archaeological results only. Without any descendants testing and further reconstructions.

    Thank you in advance.
    Check the Genetic section on Eupedia:
    http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/
    Samples of different sections:
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/ancien...pean_dna.shtml
    http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/yamna_culture.shtml
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate presence, and demonize the future.

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    Thank you for the links that I've seen many times before. But I am asking for the exhaustive ancient DNA list, if it's possible.

    Some basics.


    When only one descendant is tested it's not a very valuable reason to associate his haplotype with his ancestors. Don't forget about NPEs.

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    I've tested some pairs.
    TMRCA:
    - 11.5 generations;
    - 8;
    - 5;
    etc.

    For one group of four persons with MRCA born in 1736 I have one NPE.

    For MRCA born in the 11th century I've tested 9 persons and have 5 different subclades. Which one should I associate with the real historical person?

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    When I speak about ancient DNA list, I mean the list of royal and noble dynasties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    Does anyone know if Charlemagne has any documented direct male line descendants?
    No, he has not.
    IndoeuR1opeans forward!

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    dear maciamo,
    thanks for all information :)
    i saw this in page 1 :
    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25236-Haplogroups-of-European-kings-and-queens

    Juliana Maria of Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel (1729-1796) => H3 (mtDNA)

    is she a confirmed mtdna h3 ?
    with kind regards
    adam

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    Is there any news about Piasts DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon2017 View Post
    Is there any news about Piasts DNA?
    Nothing yet.
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    Trying to extend the lines of known descendant of Charlemagne in my own genealogy, I realized one of them had a mt-descendant who tested and she has royalties on her mt-line (which is not mine, unfortunately).

    Her name is Catherine Couvent, she married Philippe Amiot in Épieds around 1625.

    At FTDNA's French Heritage DNA Project, her mt-descendant was given plain H* for haplogroup and their HVR1+2 mutations are:
    HVR1: A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, T16223C, G16230A, T16278C, C16311T
    HVR2: G73A, C146T, C152T, C195T, A247G, 522.1A, 522.2C, 315.1C

    It seems she tested at Genographic as her kit number start with N. I don't know how solid their papertrail is and it's sad there is no match to confirm Catherine Couvent's DNA signature yet. But feel free to ask Jacques Beaugrand, the project admin, if your are interested to know more. He's quite helpful usually.

    So, back Catherine Couvent royal ancestors.

    Catherine Couvent
    Antoinette de Longueval + Guillaume Couvent
    Louise de Joyeuse + Charles de Longueval
    Nicole des Ancherins + Jean de Joyeuse
    Marguerite de Monthois + Jean des Ancherins
    Nicole Issenard + Jean de Monthois
    Béatrix de Grandpré + Geoffroy Issenard

    This is as far as the as the francogene genealogy goes, but other sites gives Béatrix genealogy as:

    Claude de Roucy + Gobert de Grandpré
    Blanche de Coucy + Hugues II de Pierrepont
    Jeanne d'Harcourt + Raoul de Coucy
    Blanche de Ponthieu + Jean d'Harcourt
    Catherine d'Artois + Jean II de Ponthieu
    Blanche de Bretagne + Philippe d'Artois
    Beatrice of England + Jean II de Bretagne
    Eleonore of Provence + Henry III King of England
    Béatrice de Savoie + Raimont-Béranger IV de Provence
    Marguerite de Genève + Thomas Ier de Savoie
    Beatrice or Marguerite de Faucigny + Guillaume Ier de Genève

    So, at the very least, Eleonore of Provence's son, Edward I of England, would be H*.

    A quick look around the wiki pages, it's seems the following monarchs would be H* too:

    Margaret I, Queen of Scotland
    Philippe III, King of France
    Jeanne II, Queen of Navarre
    Jean II, King of France
    Eric XII, King of Sweden
    Håkon VI, King of Sweden

    Although still quite speculative, it could be of interest to this thread.

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