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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlitos View Post
    In Seville, at that time the Al-Andalus beat them to the Vikings, they cut their heads and hung them from trees, a group survived until the slaves were converted to Islam, then won freedom and stayed for some villages in the province of Seville, I think it spent as much calmer to manufacture cheese and milk-based foods.

    But Hollywood never made the film, always gave an excellent treatment to the Vikings and other pirates, is what has the power, who do good publicity and always want the protagonist to whom you want, even in a time not protagonist.

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    Don't waste your time pretending that you're spaniard and that you're here for constructive reasons, *****.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Lynx noticed that you're E1b, not Celtic enough. I guess you're band from Spain. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ^ lynx ^ View Post
    Don't waste your time pretending that you're spaniard and that you're here for constructive reasons, *****.

    The ***** you, I have fried a private message because think I am a South American anti-Spanish and Spanish I, I hate the lie, that has taught me that my mother, so if you are continually harassed by private messages, going to get anything, I'm a tough cookie and does not affect me the least, the problem you have you accusing me of being Aristander and I told you Charlie and I'm proud to be Spanish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Lynx noticed that you're E1b, not Celtic enough. I guess you're band from Spain. lol
    LeBrok self-projecting her racism on others once more.

    Most likely I have noticed that Carlitos always connect to the forum during the american daylight hours... that doesn't make sense unless he is an european vampire.

    His spelling mistakes at writing spanish are also very revelatory.

    Looks like LeBrok made another friend among the anti-spanish ******... well it is not the first time, right darling? Congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Welcome, Hus!
    Cheers Chris, looks like I stepped into a war zone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hus View Post
    Cheers Chris, looks like I stepped into a war zone?
    Seems that way! Appears to have some history. There's lots to learn from this site, Hus. Very informative.
    Cheers, Chris

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    Thanks, Chris, I'll peruse the site and see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hus View Post
    Thanks, Chris, I'll peruse the site and see...
    If you bump into some bother, we'll lock shields and start a wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    If you bump into some bother, we'll lock shields and start a wall.
    Good man, I shall horse my messengers in readiness!

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    Aren't deceit, treachery and strength of will the key features of a ruler, especially in those days? William out-Viking'ed Ole Harold, that's for sure.

    And apparently, King Edward had something to do with it too.

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    Exactly the right story.No one knows about these facts and people just use to say that they have some enmity with British.You know about the real story.Please stay in touch.I want to make persons like you my friend.
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    I guess that in spite of king Rollo being dead 90 years before the Norman invasion of England and the Normans being reasonably frenchified by that time, they still had the land-looting instinct of their germanic tribe alive and staying in France where the king had a lot of power limited their desire to control more land. So they decided that the Duchy of Normandy was too small for them and fled to England where there was a monarchy less powerful than the French one.

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    Edward the Confessor was Williams cousin and it was said that he had promised the throne to him. When he died Harold seized the throne, although he as in line for it in his own right I believe. Thus William set out to take the throne he was promised and of course that led to 1066 the one date everyone seems to remember, The Battle of Hastings.

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    Something is slightly awry about this map. Although it is meant to show Viking/Scandinavian settlement throughout Europe I have the feeling that (outside of Scandinavia itself) those settler areas depicted for the European mainland boast nothing like as many Viking placenames as found in the answering Viking settler areas mapped out for the British Isles.

    Cannot speak for Eastern Europe, but reckon for the rest of Europe only Angeln and Normandy come anywhere near the British Isles in Viking settlement going hand in hand and backed up with Viking placenames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    The Normans were Danish Vikings. The Danes did invade all of Western Europe, as far as the Maghreb. One group managed to obtain land from the King of France and became known as the Normans. They adopted French language and customs and combined their own Norse technology to the French one.

    I suppose that they became more powerful because they had enough land to support their future conquests. They didn't have to go back to Denmark to make new weapons or bring more men, but could just recruit local Frenchmen, and get all the food and weapons they needed in Normandy.

    The nearest place to conquer outside France from their new "base" was England, just across the Channel. Furthermore the kingdom of England was already weakened from the war between another group of Danish Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons. The Normans came with a big army combining Danish and French troops when England was already on its knees. The timing was perfect.

    Another reason they didn't venture more inland (like Switzerland) is that Vikings were primarily sailors. Their ships could go up rivers, but not upstream in mountainous areas.

    Brought to mind are Danish, Flemish and Breton fighters fighting under the Normans, but never heard of any grounds hinting at 'French' fighters before (?)

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    I agree with this statement made by Maciamo back in 2009: "Another reason they didn't venture more inland (like Switzerland) is that Vikings were primarily sailors".

    Normans also conquered Albania through sea and this proves that they were better as sailors(taken from Wikipedia):
    After allying himself (Robert Guiscard) with Croatia and the Catholic cities of Dalmatia, in the year 1081 an army of 30,000 men in 300 ships landed in the southern shores of Albania, capturing Valona, Kanina, Jericho (Orikumi), reaching Butrint after numerous pillages. They joined the fleet that had previously conquered Corfu. The Normans attacked Dyrrachium from land and sea, devastating everything along the way......

    I started to do research on Normans after I did my DNA test with 23andme and my mtDNA (according to 23andme) was of Viking descent! That was a shock for me for quite a while until I found out about Norman conquerors in Albanian territories, and they were around for 300 years. Quite amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selwyn Greenfrith View Post
    Brought to mind are Danish, Flemish and Breton fighters fighting under the Normans, but never heard of any grounds hinting at 'French' fighters before (?)
    Geography lesson No 1 : Brittany and Normandy are in France, and have been since the Kingdom of France was founded in the 9th century. Flanders is historically part of the Kingdom of France as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBS View Post
    I agree with this statement made by Maciamo back in 2009: "Another reason they didn't venture more inland (like Switzerland) is that Vikings were primarily sailors".

    Normans also conquered Albania through sea and this proves that they were better as sailors(taken from Wikipedia):
    After allying himself (Robert Guiscard) with Croatia and the Catholic cities of Dalmatia, in the year 1081 an army of 30,000 men in 300 ships landed in the southern shores of Albania, capturing Valona, Kanina, Jericho (Orikumi), reaching Butrint after numerous pillages. They joined the fleet that had previously conquered Corfu. The Normans attacked Dyrrachium from land and sea, devastating everything along the way......

    I started to do research on Normans after I did my DNA test with 23andme and my mtDNA (according to 23andme) was of Viking descent! That was a shock for me for quite a while until I found out about Norman conquerors in Albanian territories, and they were around for 300 years. Quite amazing!
    they ( normans) where there for only 4 years, the byzantines on land and the venetians by sea put an end to the norman conquest of the balkans. What Dna could they leave behind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Geography lesson No 1 : Brittany and Normandy are in France, and have been since the Kingdom of France was founded in the 9th century. Flanders is historically part of the Kingdom of France as well.
    Maciamo your answer is so far-out there it's almost worthless and smacks more of an unfriendly warning off then any meaningful stab at an answer. Thanks mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selwyn Greenfrith View Post
    Brought to mind are Danish, Flemish and Breton fighters fighting under the Normans, but never heard of any grounds hinting at 'French' fighters before (?)

    The Normans themselves can be considered partially French

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    Quote Originally Posted by spongetaro View Post
    The Normans themselves can be considered partially French
    history channel series, the normans , did state that the Vanelli in the cotentin peninsula where norse people from Roman times and this was known to norman people prior to their conquest of Normandy. The normans did take up everything french except the architecture, which was norman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selwyn Greenfrith View Post
    Maciamo your answer is so far-out there it's almost worthless and smacks more of an unfriendly warning off then any meaningful stab at an answer. Thanks mate.
    The guy only told you that Brittany, Normandy, and - in a historical context - Flanders are all part of what we now know as France. Why the apparent anger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    they ( normans) where there for only 4 years, the byzantines on land and the venetians by sea put an end to the norman conquest of the balkans. What Dna could they leave behind?
    This should probably be posted on a thread about Albanians, but since I brought it up I would only give you links where you could read about the Norman rule in Albania, we also had a prince who had a Norman mother (Karl/Charles Thopia, if I remember correctly):
    http://books.google.com/books?id=IJ2...VNk-9UdiHXwvc5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Albania

    So there are chances that some traces of Norman mtDNA is left behind, even though I would suspect more to be Y-DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBS View Post
    This should probably be posted on a thread about Albanians, but since I brought it up I would only give you links where you could read about the Norman rule in Albania, we also had a prince who had a Norman mother (Karl/Charles Thopia, if I remember correctly):
    http://books.google.com/books?id=IJ2...VNk-9UdiHXwvc5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Albania

    So there are chances that some traces of Norman mtDNA is left behind, even though I would suspect more to be Y-DNA.
    your links reflect nothing in our conversation, below is the scenario

    Robert Guiscard ultimately drove out the Byzantines from southern Italy. Having obtained pope Gregory VII's consent and acting as his vassal, Robert continued his campaign in conquering the Balkan peninsula as a foothold for western feudal lords and the Catholic Church. After allying himself with Croatia and the Catholic cities of Dalmatia, in the year 1081 an army of 30,000 men in 300 ships landed in the southern shores of Albania, capturing Valona, Kanina, Jericho (Orikumi), reaching Butrint after numerous pillages. They joined the fleet that had previously conquered Corfu. The Normans attacked Dyrrachium from land and sea, devastating everything along the way. Under these harsh circumstances, the locals accepted emperor Alexius I Comnenus' call to join forces with the Byzantines against the Normans who besieged Dyrrachium. The Albanian forces could not take part in the ensuing battle, because it had started too early, before their arrival. Immediately before the battle the Venetian fleet had secured a victory in the coast surrounding the city. Forced to retreat, Alexius ceded the command to a high Albanian official named Comiscortes[10] in the service of Byzantium. The city's garrison resisted until February 1082, when Dyrrachium was betrayed to the Normans by the Venetian and Amalfitan merchants who had settled in the city. The Normans were now free to penetrate in the hinterland; they took Ioannina, some minor cities in Southwestern Macedonia, Thessaly and appeared before the gates of Thessalonica. Dissension among the high ranks coerced the Normans to retreat in Italy; they lost Dyrrachium, Valona and Butrint in 1085 after the death of Robert.

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