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Rule is that it is more important what other people write and speak.

Today the African and Asian authors writing about brotherhood with the Albanians. People linking genetics, anthropology, history, archeology, linguistics and other sciences, and express their views on the Hamitic (African) origin.

The Internet and forums have about it how you wants but it is now published and books.

One of the books that came out in 2010 is:

Kush Khamit Raamah

Faces of the Hamitic people

by connecting to the Geg, Arvaniti and Chamuri Albanians actually are Hamiti.

He points out that the Albanian name Cham derived from the Ham.

The book was published in the edition Xilibris Corporation.

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A kilt (fustanella) is an Egyptian/North African costume. A pair of pictures:




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@ iapetoc
I have more than 2.000 of pelasgian words (not published yet all together... the new greeks call them as it should as "pre-greeks"), which today are the same in albanian, but not are the same in new greek, they translate them. Those above I got from the book "Hesychii Alexandrini lexicon", By Kurt Latte, Peter Allan Hansen.

As I see you don't understand the way how I present the words in that scheme above, you play whith words and you stay in the same place. You selected two words (misprints) to respond, passing silent by other facts, but of course I have answers and for your denial questions.
Being that these words are foreign to the Greek language, they enter the original language remains of pre-greek.
Hesychi many of these presents as Homeric words.
For example: word "krie" is old word which is recorded as pre-greek. This word is foreign to the Greek language and translates as "vasilias". Recognizing now that pre-greek "krie" = "vasilias" know the meaning of the word... krie = king... Krie = "the first", also "head" (in albanian). So, this is the logic.
Remember, this words are called "original language remains, or pre-greek"

"1. ekgs
2. orgjin
What Greek words are these
3. SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER NATIONALIST NAZI HIDE THE PROPER GREEK WORDS AND PUT SIMILAR

THAT IS BULLSHIT
4. εντυε-endie-------Ετοιμο-αζω=endi,endje---endie-endie
ΕΤΙΜΟ

παρασκευαζει - paraskeyazei = set is progress

5
. κιελλι-qielli--------------uranos=qielli-----------qielli-qielli

uranos but also siel ciel why you dont mention that the color of the sky is ciel or cian or cyan and modern is galano -> caliano galazio

now as you see the connection is done qielli k=g=ch=q gallano"




Answers:
1. διζα-dhiza-----------ekgs=dhia---------------dhiza, dhia
It's good that you select this: (pelasgian)"διζα-dhiza", its "dhia" today in albanian, but in new greek is "katsíka"... ekgs was misprint.


2. μενειν-menin-------orgjin-zemerimin-----menin, meni, merin... (This is the first word of Iliades)
So, (pelasgian)"μενειν-menin", is "menia" today in albanian; but in new greek is "thymós" or "orgí̱"

3. You call me Nazi (that's attempt to insult and shows you ignorance about history, in the same time) because you saw the swastica symbol in my profile image, and of course that you dont know that this is one of Dukagjinis (albanian north tribe) coat of arm. Swastica, like thousands of other Pelasgian symbols, are in use by albanians constantly, especially from those self isolated albanians in the mountains.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66188&l=18742dc0bc&id=100001133356751


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66193&l=85cf2ad034&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66192&l=e76a455804&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66190&l=d93a86d003&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66194&l=0fda1247c1&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=140112&l=391bfb1ad9&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=140111&l=94368ce2a1&id=100001133356751


4. εντυε-endie-------parasqevazi=endi,endje---endie-endie
So, (pelasgian)"εντυε-endie", is "endie" or "endje" today in albanian; but in new greek is "periférontai" or "ýfansi"̱


5. κιελλι-qielli--------------uranos=qielli-----------qielli-qielli
So, (pelasgian)"κιελλι-qielli", is "qielli" in albanian; but in new greek is "ouranós"
... and if the the color of the sky is ciel or cian or cyan and modern is galano -> caliano galazio, that verifies how the pelasgian name about the sky (qielli as albanian today), is the root of the connection you gave "now as you see the connection is done qielli k=g=ch=q gallano", and not the opposite !


Here some other albanian words connected whith these roots:
Qiell {sky}... Diell {sun} (Iell/Hyell/Ill/Yll>Star... [Hyjn, Hyu, Hyj, Yj, Hyll, Yll, Ill… Yllirians, Illyrians, also helion/hellen are from the same root wich survived only in albanian, as small semantic units
)... Di {knowledge} {Di– (earlier Diw–). This root also shows up in "Latin", which in fact is Albanian root http://thescincedelusion.blogspot.com/2010/04/religion-paraded-as-science_19.html} ... Dit {Day}... D(r)it {light}... {then the display of "r" creates other words related to the first (r)-reze(ray)... Ar (gold), also Ar (star, also Yll/Ill/El/Al) ... Ar (fertile field)... {Ar-ba(ën)n, Ar-bër(n), Ar-vanit, Ar-br(n)esh... (How albanians calls themself in middle ages}... but in all times they call them self Shqiptar (Skipetar), that means Shqip (Eagle) Shqiptar="Sons of the eagle"... ancient writers calls them Pelasgians... Romans calls them Illyrian.
More about the root "Di":
Dias/Zeus... “Di” {Di~dit~diell~dias(Zeus)~d(r)it/(r-reze)... (Di>Knowledge... Dit>Day... Diell>Sun... (D)Iell/Hyell/Ill/Yll>Star... [Hyjni, Hyu, Hyj, Yj, Hyll, Yll, Ill… Yllirians]...
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Ill, Yll, Yj, Yje, Yjnor, Hyjnor, Hyjn, Hyjnia, Hyjneron ...
YJ (stars): even this word has been found in other languages, unless the Albanian, also being much common one in epigrafic documents of the antiquity, from the Aegean to the Atlantic. YJ, YJNOR, HYJNERON are coming from terms from the pelasgo-illirico-Etruscan. In fact, they are found some in abundance in their registrations, but today they are used alone in the Albanian language. From this it can be deduced that the several shapes of YJ could be of origin proto-Indo-European. And it can be arrived to this conclusion taking in consideration all the other Indo-European languages that do not call “YJE” the stars, but: Sanscrito (Astra), Italian (astro, stella), Spanish (Estrella), Portuguese (Estrela), English (Stars), Greek (Aster) Persian (Setareh), German (Stern).
eyhe----> means to pray to the Hy(Deity)
Ἀγρόται Ἀλεξίων εὐχάν----Agrote Aleksion lutemi o hy
Ἀμμίλα Ἀρτάμιτι Ἀγρότᾳ εὐχάν---Amila Artamiti Agrota e hyan
The standart translation for the verb e hyinoia is to make a favour or to be blessed by Gods
But it's very clear that the exact translation is
: deify by the Gods, blessed by the Gods.
The meaning "favour" is an altered one or a secondary meaning very close to the original which is the Albanian one.
Ps.: Ancient, /h/ aspiration at the beginning of a word. It was not pronounced in greek since ancient times, but it is still pronounced in erasmic pronunciation and it is preserved in transliterations of greek words to some european languages. e.g.
scr.poly: ἱστoρία erasmic: [histo`ria] but monotonic ιστoρία mod.gre: [isto`ria]
english history, (french) histoire, etc.
old gre: ὑπόθεσις erasmic: --------- hypothesis
old gre: ὑπνωτικόν ----------hypnotic
old gre: ὕμνoς --------------hymn
Because of the diacritic marks:
ὕ=hy
In Linear B are known the words "i-je-re-ja " and "i-je-ro-ja ". Ventri has explained how the words ... "the saint-saint". Remind you that this Albanian word, is verified since at least 1600 BC ...
I-je-re-ja in linear script B is Y + T, placed one above the other is "Yjt.

Yj, Hyu, Hyj is a very important and ancient Albanian word. It's so sad when the so called ancient Greek takes the credits from this beautiful Albanian word.


Also, in albanian language is synthesized the double meaning in ethymology of Zeus/Dias, in twice meaning, from the good side {Zeus survived as Zot(God) in albanian - Encyclopedia Britannica} and from the bad side Dias/Di(j)all/Dejall/Dexhall>Devil...


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This homonym is transmited and in other latter languages of the antiquity:
For example in German
Diell nämlich Sonne
Djal nämlich Sohn
Slavic:
Diell znaci Sonce
Djal znaci Sin
...
Now you'll say that why you tell me how these roots are spread in Indo-Europian languages... and you forget that IE words must have pre-IE roots in their words, even the greek language like IE.

Iapetoc: "Besides all the words I read here
Etruscan - Albanian - English - Vocabulary
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by 90% have a Greek similar world also."
- Please tell me one by one, words by words how these words can be greek (not to tell only
dry ideas), unless if you tell me words with albanian(pelasgian) small semantic unit or roots.

Whith todays greek language we can explain etymologically a lot of Indo-Europians words, but to the level of morphemes and not to the smallest semantic units, like an albanian language can, even to phonems and the explanation of how are the letters defined to make first words... {hieroglifs, kuniform writing... whith issue are taken some linguists and freemasons like Granam Hancock & Robert Bauval or Giuseppe Catapano, after 40 years of scientific work, brought to light the book: "Thot spoke in albanian"
THOT spoke in Albanian / TAT parlava Albanese / Thoti fliste Shqip !
http://www.youtube.com/user/2B1985#p/f/6/OZH3XUOdnXQ
Albanian language in ancient Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/5/TQXai-M4nxA
Symbols of Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/4/kOqxp8BqLW0
Etc, etc... }

"Sui generis" case is that even possible atrocities (entering and leaving as entering, in any language), from any people(culture, nation) around, that manage to penetrate into Albanian, can still be explained etymologically in smaller units of their semantic by albanian, even with the language 'in isolation' [which for some albanalog (as István Schütz) considered Oddity / enigma of humanity] and all these centuries survive under invasion!
To prove the fact that the Albanian language is considered Proto-Indo-European, have engaged several dietary, international albanologs as M. Sufflay (who was killed by the Serbs), V. Georgiev, A.W.Persson, W. Merlingen, F. Paudler, O. Menghini, M. Budimir, M.L. Wagner, T Milewski, N. Jokl, J.G. von Hahn, D. Camarda, A.F. Pott, and hundreds of others.
{For you, would be interesting to read something from Iakovo Thomopoulos, for example "Pelasgika"(1912)}

So, except those above, I will initially one more example in the field of linguistic(1) and cultural another(2), that are conidered pre-indo-europian.

1. To Count vigesimal {with twenty "njëzetshe(alb)"}, is characteristic for the pre-Indo-European world. Vigesimal counting is stand against counting Didactic, counting {whith ten "dhjetëshe(alb)}. Viegesimal is characteristic of Indo-European world.
So, in Albanian language, along with ten (dhjetë), thirty (tridhjetë), fifty (pesëdhjetë, etc.. use twenty (njëzet), forty(dyzet), where "
zet" is taken as a unit, even Albanians in Italy go to trezet(60), trezet of ten (70), katërzet (80). Trezet within hearing even in popular songs on the sides of Shkodra. Vigesimal count has also BASQUE language, partly Danish and southern Italian dialects in some cases (as closed parts of albanian language as pre-Indo-European).

2. From the field of ethnography, which proves the direct connection with the people of today's Albanian like pre-Indo-European, among others, also is counted and the habit of "kuvadës" counted as one of the cultural rilict of pre-Indo-European. This habit has remained alive among Albanians today, and partly the memory of this custom save the Basques of Spain.


About the game of Pre-Indo-Europian, and Indo-europian languages you play (Although they have many shortcomings like a theory, however, they must have elements of the truth inside)
If we refer to ancient scientists, all describe Pelasgians as indigenous, from Gibraltar (Pillars of Hercules ") in the west, to the Caucasus in the east, the Baltic Sea up in the north, to Egypt in the south, while the world mythology goes to extremes and claim that "pelasgus" was the first man ... then we face the theory of some new scientists who think that Pelasgians were the first Indo-Europians who came to Europe. This theory is not right in the essence (and opposed by many other researchers, such as: N. Marri, M. Sufflay (who was killed by the Serbs), V. Georgiev, A.W.Persson, W. Merlingen, F. Paudler, O. Menghini, M. Budimiri, ML Wagner, T Milewski, N. Jokl, J.G von Hahn, D. Camarda, A.F Pott ... based on data from ancient writers, who are in line with the mythology, but also whith archeology, anthropology, linguistic ... that protect the theory that the Pelasgians were the pre-historical people (as Maurico Druon, Secretary French Academy, says about albanians) and is not registered that albanians (or pelasgians) emigrate from somewhere in any moment of history, except within their territory (from Gibraltar or the pillars of Hercules in west, to the Caucasus in the east, and from the Baltic Sea up in the north, to Egypt in the south), addiction to invasions of peoples and cultures created after the extract of them. They were "there" since history has begun to record data. As such was distributed the pelasgian element in subsequent cultures and peoples, we can say that the roots they spread in those langaugees, today are preserved by Albanian language). But Indo-European theory, uses other elements of the truth (the identity of Pelasgians who is found within aryans, or the opposite, from primitive extraction of pelasgians came aryans. However, it comes to the same extract that has survived as such directly to Albanians today, therefor albanian language is known as Indo-European language, but definitely they have to accept that like the oldest of this group, or its trunk) because even Indo-Europeans were originally formed by pelasgians extract before return (to their fathers) as heterogeneous nation called aryan:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223998&l=8c1a610d6b&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=224000&l=9a17dc3824&id=100001133356751
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Pelasgians also were mixed whith Sumerians and formed Semitic people. Remember here three sons of Noah: "Japheth" (pre-indo europian or Japhetic period in Europe ... "Shem"-(Semitic) - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=95137&l=b3527cd8c2&id=100001133356751 ... and "Ham" Indo europians). That's why exist albanian roots even in these other languages (not only indo-europians), but at different levels, in relation to the period of creation.
Meanwhile, modern science should clarify many dilemmas, if they will abide by the primary requirement for dealing successfully with the outcome,
who is undressing by pseudo-nationalisms.
This conclusion while still counts as a reference point for the successful outcome:
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz - Albanolog, mathematicians, german philosopher
"If you want to discover the history from BC and the sciences of that time, you should study Albanian language"







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@ Garrick
Broadening as much in antiquity, the more peoples and nations emerge united with each other, originating from a common extract... In this point, albanians have preserved their language, culture and their ancient race, intact (retreated to mountains, from permanent invasions) from the winds of alienation what happened with all nations... So, when you'll study the albanian question in all its components (like many free scholars, linguist, historian, archaeologist, anthropologist, artist... did, and I mention some of them), you'll encounter elements of the most ancient language, culture, race... that have existed in the world and what is more important, is still alive today {Considering that the oldest world civilization has moved all around the Mediterranean and today with the help of scientists we find traces of albanian language, culture and race, from Egypt, Middle East, Caucasus, Illyrian (Balkan) and Apenin Peninsula... and now you can sync the input of the Mediterranean culture in World culture and finaly you can understand my approach}.
Spesifically, if we talk about Fustanella (http://www.albpelasgian.com/uncategorized/26.html), I thing that is an albanian culture element, but not only.It's a element of ancient culture and was preserved from the extract of that culture, but we have to know and to accept the fact that she was adobted from other latter cultures (like greeks does). We have old artifacts that verify the use of fustanella from Pelasgians/Illyrians long time ago... for example, this artifact is from V cent. BC http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7060/fusgvjetmar2nx.jpg
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...found in north Illyria (Sllovenia), or this one in Durres Albania, from the IV century BC: http://zeus10.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=659772

... Also we had those in Egypt but we have to know that Pelasgians (like a very old culture) were in Egypt too. Also, about pelasgian element in Egypt, take into consideration the work of linguists (+freemasons) like Granam Hancock & Robert Bauval or Giuseppe Catapano, after 40 years of scientific work, brought to light the book: "Thot spoke in albanian"(listed above)



Just like the Pelasgian language, culture and DNA is distributed as element in subsequent cultures and peoples, synonymous with this concept is when we say that in that period are distributed the Albanian language roots in those languages, because pelasgians (albanians) were here (like proto-indo-europian) ...http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223998&l=8c1a610d6b&id=100001133356751



... before greeks come whith indo-europians...http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223999&l=089c04944d&id=100001133356751









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... and for ancient writers (Homer, Herodotus, Strabo, Pliny...), pelasgians autochthon and pre-hellenic or other strange population, whith other language but in the late period the part of pelasgians were mixed whith greeks (and whith pelasgian words which we can find today in albanian language as smallest semantic units, was created greek language, we have descriptions that people had difficulty to learn that new language ... later it was used like a royal language ... the language of the church ... the language of the letters ... but the language of the poeple was preserved intact from those who decide to maintain their original identities and retreated to the mountains, where even today we find among the name of the "sons of the eagle").
Wile the other part of pelasgian (etruscians) formed latins and a part of them as we said, withdrew to the mountains(todays albanians, who decides to maintain their original identity) and in this way, albanians are direct descendants of Pelasgians.
This self isolation, of that part of pelasgians who decided to stay true to their identity, had its multidimensional consequences. Wile the other nations progress, this part of pelasgians stay isolated, drawn to the mountains and back to sea, were we can find them under the name of the eagles (shqiptar - son of the eagles), but on the other side, in this way they preserved the langauge, culture, symbolism of old pelasgians intact.



It is interesting to note that many scholars, rightly, could not determine or Generalized Albanian alone or as part of a group of languages. Once some think that it's Centum, once as SATEM (in fact it serves as a link between these groups, it is a more proof that it stands on above these groups), somtimes of Illyrian origin, Thracian, Dacian, Etruscan, Celtic, Frigian, Hitite or sometimes as the oldest branch of the Indo-European, sometims pre-proto-Indo-European sometimes Anatolian, Paleo-Balkan language sometimes, etc.. Also, this approach are mixet more from langauge "artifacts" that will be noted from Egypt, Middle East, Caucasus, Illyrian peninsula, Apenin ... all around the Mediterranean, to the newer languages (just around the triangular base towards circulated / world civilization interact, the surprisingly marked with a equal sides distance between Dodona of pelasgian Zeus, Ararat - rebirth of humanity-the ark of Noah / Nuh and the Great Pyramid in Egypt. (In this context, read "The oracle of Dodona" by Maksim Zotaj or http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptgeodesy.htm).
This confusing approach purified when proved the direct connection beetwen Pelasgian and todays Albanian language, as extract of subsequent cultures and peoples. Just like the Pelasgian languge is distributed as element in subsequent cultures and peoples, synonymous with this concept is when we say that in that period are distributed the Albanian language roots in those languages what we can find even today.



All living languages, especially their largest group, Indo-European ones, lead/guide/ determine the direction to the Albanian language, Albanian language leads to building codes, which (according to Egyptian albanolog Mathieu Aref) has no genesis connection with any other language (p.240-"Albania"). So we speak a language that is created without any previous model, born together with the development of mankind and is suprising the fact that "today's Albanian language has been preserved almost intact during more than 30 centuries (since beginning of the invasion of Indo-European) in the highlands of old Europe [science maintains that the natives living in the mountains (being retrieved from invasions), while in fields newcomers] and above all, those of the Dinaric Alps "(p.435 ibid) and thus attains to explain a large number of Etruscan words, Thracian, Greek, Latin, Basque, Armenian, Celtic, Romanian, etc.. "(ibid f.559).

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This is why we find Albanian DNA, their culture and language, all around. That doesn't mean that they were coming from all around (It make no sense than history, that shows how homogeneous nation they were all the time), but this mean that Albanian DNA, culture and langauge is survival of the Pelasgian extract today (drawn to the mountains from permanent invansion from latters new cultures and nations, who were gradually shaped by this extract, but chaotically distributed in the following centuries).
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Now, let's focus to the topic and cearfull (you Iapetoc) in next time, dont make everything greek. Like these words written by you in p.3:

"1.arbanites were greeks
2.fustanella is greek from πους =feet δενω->δεναλι = bound
πουσδεναλι,
3.shqiptar = ish GYPTAR from egypt
4.sghqiptars learn the language from arbanites of arber who welcome you
and you genocide them
5.Suliotes were greeks
as Sulimiotes is peloponese
what bullshit who are talking
suliomiotes as suliotes were illyrogreeks NOT SHQIPTARS
6.the albanian canun is also a Greek kanon κανων and means law we can find also in minor asia in Kulla and even to pontic greeks

6.YOU EVEN MAKE KASTRIOTI AN EGYPTIAN ALTHOUGH HIS FAMILY COMES FROM GREEK MAKEDONIA
PRINCIPI EMATHEIA ET CASTURIA..." - and a lot of poor greek propaganda of this level. This what you say can make sens, only if you consider that the old "greeks" or "Helens" were albanians (pelasgians) or were speaking a language very close whith albanian (pelasgian) language, created when the greek indo-europians contact whith pre-indoeuropian albanians(pelasgians). That's why the new greek language can be connected whith the old one, only through the albanian roots in it. The other part is not connected at all...


The modern greek language
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247827&l=121558727c&id=100001133356751


Albania Paste and Present, New Yorlk Macmillian 191
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187475&l=d0142d6613&id=100001133356751




Discourses of Collective Identity in Cental and Southeas Europe 1770-1945
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=250181&l=2bb88f57fb&id=100001133356751





Earth and its inhabitans - Europe
by Elisee Reclus, edited by E.G Ravenstein, F.R.G.S., F.S.S., Erc. - New York
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247832&l=624a62f9a4&id=100001133356751




Democratization in the Balkans: prescription for a badly scarred body politic
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247828&l=3ed4fd07e6&id=100001133356751




http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247829&l=01a10814cd&id=100001133356751





Herodotus described Pelasgians as non-greek and autochthonous
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187369&l=aa1ed506b5&id=100001133356751



Albanian folk verse: structure and genre
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247816&l=a135a8fd94&id=100001133356751





The Albanians- An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187141&l=747775df0f&id=100001133356751



Book ninety-ninth
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187201&l=59c9419280&id=100001133356751



A History of Greece- The Greek revolution, pt. 1, A.D. 1821-1827 edited by Henry Fanshawe Tozer
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187295&l=93dc27118c&id=100001133356751




The Gentile and the Jew in the courts of the Temple of Christ- By Johann Joseph Ignaz von Döllinger, Nicholas Darnell
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187340&l=ac83dcccc2&id=100001133356751

Struggle between Pyrrhus and Rome
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=206403&l=2279575efe&id=100001133356751


Chronicles of Theophanes - The Great Illyrian City of Thessalonike
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187303&l=4614382e16&id=100001133356751

Journey through Albania
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=206378&l=44cfba68d2&id=100001133356751


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Albanian ties with the Pelasgians
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=211177&l=5a6c2911c9&id=100001133356751
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=211187&l=4e53ae137c&id=100001133356751
Albanian ties whith Illyrians
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187208&l=83cb475c6f&id=100001133356751
5. A linguistic comparison of Albanian with ancient Greek and Latin indicates that Albanian was formed as a language at an earlier period than those other ancient languages.
http://www.albpelasgian.com/uncategorized/albanian-ties-with-illyrian.html
The Pelasgian parentage of Illyrian and Albanian language
http://books.google.com/books?id=IJ...&resnum=7&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false


...

You can manipulate whith the antique period, in relation to the lack of Albanian institutions to protect from appropriation, but you can't make and the new history of albanian, greek history, because now we have our first free institutions (no matter that they are still weak) and the least we can do this time, is presentation to the world opinion, the right informations, INSTITUCIONALLY (from us albanians, because the scientific world has said its word).
So far, this issue is left to the "status quo", because awareness of the Albanians in this direction would result domino effects, above all political, then the historical, cultural and geostrategic. But in relation to multidimensional rebuilding as a nation (like the phoenix from the ashes of destruction) and ability to manage the glory, awareness becomes inevitable.
 
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lol, half of Greek Attica is of Albanian origin. Athens is an Albanian city.

And you wouldn't call them ''Arvanite'' if they were Greeks, because Arvanite is what Greeks called Albanians. Fact. Albanians called themselves Arbereshe and even Epirotan, later this name changed to Shqiptar. While the Albanians in Italy still use Arbereshe.

The Albanians in Italy also use the two headed eagle, they are fully Albanians, only your ignorance here is the problem.. because if you were smart enough to Search up Arbereshe you would see.

I have points and questions about all three above:

I believe that Athens was pretty old for Greek settlements and were there before the Dorians. Its people were Ionians, were they not? I find it very unlikely that they had any Albanian admixture.

About the name Epirotes, I have thought for a long time that Epirotes may have had a connection with Albanians, possibly being culturally or ethnically mixed with Illyrians.

The Albanian community that has been in Italy for a number of generations is very interesting. They have retained much of their traditions. I have a friend whose family came to the US from that region. He visited it and they were very welcoming.
 
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Regulus
the Arbanites is little mixed situation both claim

watch Arbanites (somewhere around today Durres and Aylona (Vlore), not mention Before, first language mention is at 1040 AD with Byzantine minor Asian George Maniakis General as soldiers against the Normands of Sicily.
at 1080 an Emperror gives first permission to settle in Athens due to a disease that eliminate population and the massacre of Greeks by Christians (pagan Hunt, Witch HUnt etc), Although many believe has connection with Illyria
later 1210 about a Latin ruler also gives permission,
Same time in Albania is created the state of Arber
Later in albania is a Normand and Latin Invasion at the state of Alba of Anju
that divide pop to 2 catholic and orthodox
that time albania was many times allied Serbia or with Normands against Epirotans
when turks conquer Makedonia the Orthodox allied many times and made weddings just to unite medieval small kingdoms against Turks
that is the time when you see Greek names in Serbian rulers, like the name paiologos
Italian names from latin Crusaders etc
that ends at about 1450-1500 AD
with the fall of Con/polis, the Fall of Trebizond, the Palaiologos Dynasty, and the Kastrioti movement and Resistance,
After that in Greece there is a movement of people and villages that starts almost from Normand ocupation of Albania,
In fact the Albanians same time turn to Muslim and followed Baraba pasa
the lost of Kastrioti starts devastasion from Albania to elsewhere but mainly Greece
for reason of religion and nationality as also
Villages and areas leave to avoid Turk-Albanian (turk means Muslim)
they settled every where in Greece that stoped for a time and started after Moschopolis (Voskopoje) city Burn by Albanians and by Ali pasa, Before Greek revolution

only at Ali pasa times is about 150 000 people move to Greece Italy and Bulgaria Romania
I know cause my brother in Law is Epirotan and his village moved from Polliani (Pogiani) after the son of kastrioti (john) and went to Epirus and then moved here by the hunt of Ali-pasa (Argyrokastro vs Ioannina war), he is Arbanitet as Greeks name the people that moved from that area,

the problem is that arbanitet are divided in 3 families
1 the Attica that came at 1080-1250
2 the Epirotans and Kastrioti followers kicked by Albanian Muslim
3 the Arbanito-Vlachs (vlachs that lived in albania)

In fact when Greek revolt started the maps show and name areas like Sicily and almost today Albania as areas that should liberated from Turks, and from Turk-Albanians by Greeks and Arbanites and Moldavians,
Don't forget that Greek revolution started at Moldo-Wallachia not in Greece by a Pontian Greek(Trebizond)

the problem of Albania is that the majority of Arbanites denies the Albanian Nationality,
but accepts the origin From Illyria and Epirus.

that is why the Albanians claim Kastrioti as a trully Albanian and Greeks as a Greek

cause if you ask Arbanites where are from they will tell you from North Epirus south Illyria (today Albania)
but if you ask them what is your Nationality they will tell you Greek,

that is the situation and I try to avoid any political claims in my post
just report,

The name Arbanite as Arbanite of Aticca claim comes the city of Arbano
the more ask Arbanites Regulus, They are all educated and many Ministers and prime ministers before etc and have their own blogs

Even today there is some areas in that place that Albania and Greece have claims,
although day by day the situation is stabilized
according the Albanians the 1400 and after Arbanites are Albanians
According to Arbanites of that time they were Greeks that left under albanian preesure
 
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I have points and questions about all three above:

I believe that Athens was pretty old for Greek settlements and were there before the Dorians. Its people were Ionians, were they not? I find it very unlikely that they had any Albanian admixture.

About the name Epirotes, I have thought for a long time that Epirotes may have had a connection with Albanians, possibly being culturally or ethnically mixed with Illyrians.

The Albanian community that has been in Italy for a number of generations is very interesting. They have retained much of their traditions. I have a friend whose family came to the US from that region. He visited it and they were very welcoming.




...he found by inquiry that the chief peoples were the Lacedaemonians among those of Doric, and the Athenians among those of Ionic stock. These races, Ionian and Dorian, were the foremost in ancient time, the first a Pelasgian and the second a Hellenic people. - Herodotos, book 1, chapters 56-58: http://faculty.fairfield.edu/rosivach/cl115/hdt%201.56-58.htm

Also, when Strabo about Illyria, mention: Ionian sea and Adriatic sea...

According to Theopompus:The first(Ionian) name came from a man, a native of Issa who once ruled over the region(The name Isadora or in illirian Issa a ancinte town Issa that was located somewhere in present Bosnia or Croatia. And "dora" meaning "hand" in albanian and even in Illyrian)
The second (Adria), was named after a river.
http://bosnahistorija.16.forumer.com/a/strabo-quotilirijaquot_post4653.html




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Now let's see something precious from Zeus10 (
'cause iapetoc reminded me, as I see he had left very impressed from this site):
http://zeus10.webs.com/
http://zeus10.wordpress.com/

The Etymology:
Deti Jon (Greek Ιóνιo Πέλαγoς, Italian Mar Ionio)
In Albanian Deti JONE means OUR SEA

What mythology tell us:
The myth of the eponym of the Ionian Sea:
The eponym of the Ionian Sea (whose name was more often, particularly by Aeschylus, attributed to Io's voyage; previously the Ionian Gulf was thought to have been called the sea of Cronus and Rhea). Ionius was the son of King Adrias of Illyria who gave his name to the Adriatic. Ionius was also said to have been a son of Dyrrhachus of the town of Dyrrhachium (modern Durrës). When Dyrrhachus was attacked by his own brothers, Heracles, came to his aid, but in the fight the hero killed his ally's son by mistake. The corpse was cast into the sea, which thereafter was called the Ionian sea.

The Ancient Greek language is always seen as a separate branch of IE languages.
That is not true. The truth is as the following:

  • The Ancient Greek is not the language of the Hellenes
  • The Ancient Greek is the language of the Pelasgians.
  • The Ancient Greek is the language of the Pelasgian group of Egypt.
  • Hellenes have spoken originally an Illyrian dialect.
  • Ancient Greek (Pelasgian language) and Illyrian language have the same source (probably the later could be the source of the former).
  • Most of the Hellenes lost their original language.
  • The language of the literature(Attic, Ionic) is a conventional one its not the spoken language.
  • Unlike most of the beliefs that language of the Hellenes evolved in the today Modern Hellenic, I strongly believe that the later one is artificial bastard imitation and morphologically unable to explain the former.
  • Graicoi is not the same with Hellenes, Aristotle is definitely wrong.
  • Graicoi are a mix Semitic-Thracian tribe while Hellenes an Arian migration.
  • Hellenes represent the vanguard of the south Illyrian tribes returning back in the Peloponnesus which was their land before the invasion of the Egyptian Pelasgians.

Why is the Ancient Greek(Attic dialect) very different from Koine Greek, to that extent that you not being very wrong might call them two different languages? The scholars have always been wandering about this issue.
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Everything started as a human intervetion after an order of Ptolemy II, the emperor. He thought would be a good idea to create an universal language for the entire empire, whose center was Alexandria.
Many languages and dialects were spoken within the empire and Alexandria in Egypt was already the cultural center of the Empire in about 281 BC. Ptolemy II (Πτολεμαῖος Φιλάδελφος, 309 BC-246 BC) wanted an universal language to be used for diplomatic , literature, science and religious purposes. Thus he assigned Aristeas, an Athenian scholar, to create the grammar of the new language, one that not only all Greeks, but all inhabitants of the Empire would be able to speak. Thus, Aristeas used the Attic dialect as basis for the new language. Aristeas and the scholars who were assisting him trimmed the language a little, eliminated the Attic idiosyncrasies and added words as well as grammatical and syntactical rules mainly from the Doric, Ionic, and Aeolic dialects. The Spartan Doric, however, was excluded from it (see Tsakonian further down).
So, they standardized THE Hellenic language, called Koine or Common which was very different from the spoken one at that point that some scholars call it new artificial language.


Most of Ancient “”Greek”” words are compound words formed from simple primitive words which are inherited and still alive in an “”another”” language, in the Albanian language.
Why never heard of that?
BECAUSE:
The ancient history of Europe and Mediteranien is ‘pruned’ from other nations leaving only Greeks and Romans.
This ‘haircut’ of the history shows only Greeko-Roman look, thus you are led to believe in wrong false things and stories. I hope people who offered us this tabloid didn’t make that on purpose but only because of their ignorance and prejudice. I know they didn’t because they believed the Modern Greeks are the descendents of the ancient ones. Please God forgive them even if they call my study very revisionistic.



  • Pelasgians(which were not proper Hellenes), a pre-Hellenic people which include:
a. Ionians
b. Athenians
c. Aeolians
d. Islanders


  • Helenes
a. Dorians

The Dorians (Spartans-Lacademonians) have been always considered alien people by Athenians-Ionians-Achaeans, even during classical or Hellenistic period.

Thukydides 1.102
"The Lakedaimonians... afraid of the Athenians, and regarding them even as A NON-RELATED RACE...

They were considered such foreigners, that they were not even allowed to put step inside the temples of the Pelasgians(““Helenic temples””) Gods in Athene and Ionia.

Herodotus, Polymnia Book 7
a. The Ioniansfurnished a hundred ships, and were armed like the Greeks. Now these Ionians, during the time that they dwelt in the Peloponnese and inhabited the land now called Achaea (which wasbefore the arrival of Danaus and Xuthus in the Peloponnese), were called, according to the Greek account, Aegialean Pelasgi, ; but afterwards, from Ion the son of Xuthus, they were called Ionians.

What are Danaans, Argives, and Achaeans?
These are the same Pelasgians people, originated from the king Dannaus, who came from Egypt and was the brother of Aegyptus. He expelled the Ionians(Herodotus Polymnia Book 9) who were the original Pelasgians, from their native land ACHAIA. He was ruling over the land called Aachia and Argolide, and his capital city was Argos and/or Mycene.

The Pelasgians of Egypt differ somehow from the Pelasgians of Greece (Ionians) who are the original Pelasgians and their original home was the coast of IONIAN Sea which includes also Peloponnesus .
The Ionians got their name from the Ionian Sea, which in Albanian is DETI JONE and includes the following gulfs:

Herodotus, Polymnia IX-94.... Now these Ionians, during the time that they dwelt in the Peloponnese and inhabited the land now called Achaea (which wasbefore the arrival of Danaus and Xuthus in the Peloponnese), were called, according to the Greek account, Aegialean Pelasgi, or "Pelasgi of the Sea-shore"; but afterwards, from Ion the son of Xuthus, they were called Ionians.

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Now Besir

lets start
1
Goat Αιγ+σ = ΑΙΞ Aeg+s (Aegean sea, Aegina island, Aeges ancient Town, Aegeas King, etc Zeus Aigis Aigis= shield like berberin shields)
nomin Αιξ
posses Αιγ-ος
κατσικ-α katsik-a From Turkish Kecik, or from Thracian Kozy
BUT ALSO GIDA
you accept only the katsik But not GID-a why besir???????
Gid-a comes from ancient
Aigis (goat leather Holy shield of ZEUS)
Aigi-s
Aigid-os
AiGID-a

that is what i say cheap work with propaganda
open your Lexicon and find Γιδα Γιδια
now as in Albanian Language many Turkish words same in modern Greek
you Took the Turkish
and not the Greek,
How do you expect me to react
Either you make a mistake,
Either you don't know Greek
Either you did that in purpose
I will accept it again as a mistake
but many mistakes that you do not admit is .........
The same mistake was done before by another propagandist Ari... K...a

2
you make the same mistake again
μενειν-menin-------orgjin-zemerimin-----menin, meni, merin... (This is the first word of Iliades)
So, (pelasgian)"μενειν-menin", is "menia" today in albanian; but in new greek is "thymós" or "orgí̱"
Greek is μαινο-ς not μενειν
μενει dwell, he lives in
μαινος maenos mainos amok the no brain-logic but only emotion feeling of anger
μαινομενος = in amok situation , full of wrath
μανια = madness that leads to amok

Θυμο-ς Thymos = Anger, but the also will to live, to react
Οργ-η Org-e Org-i = wrath, the ORGanical situation of a person full of anger, the pissed off, the full hormone that control mind

Now the same mistake AGAIN you hide modern Greek word μαινος and you show only thymos and orge

3
εντυε-endie-------parasqevazi=endi,endje---endie-endie
So, (pelasgian)"εντυε-endie", is "endie" or "endje" today in albanian; but in new greek is "periférontai" or "ýfansi"̱
παρα-σκευαζ-ει parasqevazi = prepare, 6 day of week (mosaic law), sets ready to make progress
περι-φερον-ται peri-feron-tai = carry around, walk around,
peri-pheral
peri-meter
feron = Veron Latin
yfansi = make textil
it does not make sense what you right
make textil with prepare with carry around
BUT the Ετοιμασ-ω you still deny it why???
2 virbs
Ετοιμασω Etoem Etim means ready get ready or i am ready
Ενδυ-ω Endu Endi means dress, I dress someone Ενδυσε-Ντυσε (ntuse, ntise)
ενδυ-ομαι means I wear Endu-omaι (ntunomai ntinomai)
do you that in purpose????


4
. κιελλι-qielli--------------uranos=qielli-----------qielli-qielli
So, (pelasgian)"κιελλι-qielli", is "qielli" in albanian; but in new greek is "ouranós"
... and if the the color of the sky is ciel or cian or cyan and modern is galano -> caliano galazio, that verifies how the pelasgian name about the sky (qielli as albanian today), is the root of the connection you gave "now as you see the connection is done qielli k=g=ch=q gallano", and not the opposite !

WRONG AGAIN
lets see Homerick Υει = rain Yetos = presipitation
Uranus = the one who rains
ura = urene uro-logist
that is the very Pelasgic not IE word
Uranus is the one that Yei (the rain maker)
ura (ουρα) is the rain of the man (piss)
remember phoenician Υ = U in roman and Greek OY is U in latin
Y is ΟΥ ου short y-psilon (short ou short U
Yetos also Uetos
watch it in Greek alphabet
y = u psilon short
oy ou = u thick long
OYRANOS
OYRA
YE-TOS
there is a possibility I have to mention as a searcher that Uranus is connected with Egyptian RA U-RA-NUS
I just report it.

Now qielli
the blue colours of the sky are 2
the ciel qiel siel (σιελ) light blu (modern Greek by dorian Gala-no galaz-io, to white)
the cyan - kyan κυανο (dark blue)
also notice but I dont believe there is a Connection the Sellen-e Cellene
the ancient Selleinoi people

now lets see the Greek and the Phoenician of the words


Qiell {sky}
Greek Ciel the colour of the sky
But sky is Uranus from Pelasgian or Egyptian
Diell {sun} (Iell/Hyell/Ill/Yll>Star
Greek Hell-ios Hell or ΕLL ΕΛΛ as ILL same with semetic - Levant EL (El-Sandai, El-Ellion etc)
'Burn in Hell' = Burn in Fire like Hellios (sun) have
Greek Ηλ-ος = nail, Hλωσις to nail, to stabilize (H is long ii or ee)
now the star is Α-στηρ (Α-stir, A-ster)
means not stable, not nailed, not Ηλω-μενα, stars move (planets)

llirians, Illyrians, also helion/hellen are from the same root wich survived only in albanian, as small semantic units )..
Yes offcourse what you ever say I am Greek Not Hellenas
My rebuplick is Greek and Not the Hellenick
i don't call my self as a Ell-ην but as a Greek.
ARE YOU NUTS? have you ever came to greece?
ask them what are you they say Ellenas Get lost propagandist

Di {knowledge}
Greek di is God
Di-as , Di-meter afro-DIte PoseiDIon DIonyssos ADIs
later became ionic-phrygian Ti and Zeus (DI-ieus) became Teus modern Theos
that Di is interesting and puts me in thoughts


Dit {Day}.
in Greece was use until 100 AD in Crete day was Dia
but modern is Δειλι-νο Δειλι Δυ-ω = sunset
allthought I believe is IE (Romano-Celtic) not pelasgian as you mention

Ar (fertile field)... {Ar-ba(ën)n
lets see Greek OR
Greek mt Orbellos -Orvellos ΟΡ-βηλλος
Greek minerals are ΟΡ-υκτο or-ukto -ikto
Greek mine ΟΡ-υχειο or-uchio -ichio
connects with italian oro
Greek mineral is OΡΥ (ORU) and the metal is Χ(Ο)ΡΥ-σος Χρυσος chRU-sos
I dont know any other connection but I accept with precautions

eyhe----> means to pray to the Hy(Deity)
not exactly but simmilar
Ευχη EYCHE is Ευ = good and Εχω Echo means wish to have Good Gods protection
EΥ + Εχω Gives 2 words
1 Eυχη Eyche wish to have only good Gods or good results
2 Eυεξια (eyexia) Εχω - Future ΕΞΩ exο means I am in good health body and spirit (Goods spirits run though me)
the 1rst is the wish the pray
the 2nd is the result of the wish

Ἀγρόται Ἀλεξίων εὐχάν----Agrote Aleksion lutemi o hy
Ἀμμίλα Ἀρτάμιτι Ἀγρότᾳ εὐχάν---Amila Artamiti Agrota e hyan

so you can read Greek
and also know Eυνοια, means Ευ good νοια mind, thinking
Even today Greek from Anatolia say Νουνι-ω-ζω I am thinking (I use mind)
But modern Greek took Con/polis Σκεφτομαι (inner status search εις+εχω+ποιωμαι)
That is good cause soon you realize the Greek language and the connection with ancient Illyrian and Ancient Greek,
cause although modern Greek and Albanian have Turkish words, Albanian is little more Romano-Celtic and Greek turns little to Thracian and slavic
they have common the ancient Theba which was Build by Cadmus
and his son Illyros invade to Illyria and took his name,
remember that until Christianity is mentioned that Illyros tomb was an exhibit in Illyria, and christians destroy it. remember the legend says his parents as DRACO-DRAGO

Althought I have to mentioned That according Epidamnians Illyros was a Cyclop from Sicilly.




Whith todays greek language we can explain etymologically a lot of Indo-Europians words, but to the level of morphemes and not to the smallest semantic units, like an albanian language can, even to phonems and the explanation of how are the letters defined to make first words... {hieroglifs, kuniform writing... whith issue are taken some linguists and freemasons like Granam Hancock & Robert Bauval or Giuseppe Catapano, after 40 years of scientific work, brought to light the book: "Thot spoke in albanian"
THOT spoke in Albanian / TAT parlava Albanese / Thoti fliste Shqip !
http://www.youtube.com/user/2B1985#p/f/6/OZH3XUOdnXQ
Albanian language in ancient Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/5/TQXai-M4nxA
Symbols of Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/4/kOqxp8BqLW0
Etc, etc... }

I agree with you,
and Let remind you that exept Kurgan is also The Greco-Aryan or Greco-persian
or Armeno-Aryan or what Ever
in that the 1rst IE language was plit to 2 after a disaster in Black sea
it has many points common with the Kurgan Hypothesis but many different,
But explains better the far ancient languages

for example the Yll (star) in albania is an interesting word
cause probably either means
1 that was the name in ancient language,
2 comes from Ill EΛΛ as a tiny,
I didn't know Albanian language that good but it has a point,
Today in Thessaloniki University there is school that studies all Balkan languages and nationalities, But mainly Slavic and Turkish
Romanian is a part of Classical studies In Latin Studies
Albanian is still in low search due to political issues by both claim and Nationalism
for example before many years when I went to Albania and situation was in edge we were guarded by singurimi,
but today you don't even need a visa,
by years the situation either will calm to better, either will broke to bad situations,
in Fact the Greek people afraid Albanians due to 1700 -1900 events of muslim soldiers of Turks,
And the Albanians are afraid the Greek due to Orthodox due to last 400 years situation in South Albania




now lets see about me

1.arbanites were greeks
2.fustanella is greek from πους =feet δενω->δεναλι = bound
πουσδεναλι,
3.shqiptar = ish GYPTAR from egypt
4.sghqiptars learn the language from arbanites of arber who welcome you
and you genocide them
5.Suliotes were greeks
as Sulimiotes is peloponese
what bullshit who are talking
suliomiotes as suliotes were illyrogreeks NOT SHQIPTARS
6.the albanian canun is also a Greek kanon κανων and means law we can find also in minor asia in Kulla and even to pontic greeks

6.YOU EVEN MAKE KASTRIOTI AN EGYPTIAN ALTHOUGH HIS FAMILY COMES FROM GREEK MAKEDONIA
PRINCIPI EMATHEIA ET CASTURIA..."






My answers

1.arbanites were greeks
read my post above,

2 fustanella
fistan is turkish word
but Greek woman wear Fusta and Greek Man Fustanella
the explanation are mainly 4
even an Egyptian city that made the textil is mentioned
the Πους = Foot is the explanasion Πους -> Φουσ = Fus
I dont make everything Greek, But IE Greek explains very well the word
and is connected with other similar word for man feet
like that
English swaddling clothes
Greek Φουσκια Virb Φουσκιωνω (Fus)kion-o
Byzantine Ποσδεναρι
My lexicon gives Albanian Pelene
Fustanella is a kind of Dress worn by man and can be found in 4 mainly areas as today description and similar to other 2 areas

3.shqiptar = ish GYPTAR from egypt

well find in another post my 1rst aproach
Shqepar why?
ok lets realize that Aeolian Greek did not have k+s = x but avoid it to sk shq
the IE word in English is AXE
in Greek is ΑΞ = Ak+s
also similar
Ξε-ω scratch
Αξι-ς Αξιν-α Axi ENG mattock
Ακι-ς Ακιδ-α Aki ΕNG Pin
Ξιφει (ΗOmmer) Xiph- Eng the metallic pin (nose) of a spear
Ξιφος Xiph- Eng the sword's cutting edge
Μαχαιρα (machera) ENG the sword

the Aeolian names
Ξιφος -> Σκιφος Σκιφ- Shqiph
Σφυρα -> Εng Hammer ΣΚΥΠΑΡΑ -> shqipara - Shqepara

and the man told me No its not
so then I try to connect it with other words IE
like EIS + GYPT+AR
BUT IF READ MY NEXT POST THEN YOU HAVE TO ADMIT MY LAST APPROACH

modern Greek A-STRAP-E -I Αστραπη Lightning (not thunder)
Ancient STRAP-TΟ Virb
Ancient Aeolic word Σκηπτρ-ο Shqiptro
the one who hold the lighting Σκηπτρο is King
The Ancinet Greek Ανακες (Pelasgian name for Kings) hold SHQIPTRO
that word Exists today as Σκηπτρο in Modern Greek
But also
WATCH !!!!!!!!!!!!
in Thessaly and in Peloponese as Ξεφτερ-ι Qshipter (also Ξουφτερ - Xuphter)
Ξεφτερια Xephter Qshephter is the spark of metal crush or scratch,
also means the very clever mind, the 1 spark thinking mind
also means the lighting but it is abandoned in modern days, only in some villages
the above was supposed to write it but ok.


4.sghqiptars learn the language from arbanites of arber who welcome you
and you genocide them
5.Suliotes were greeks
as Sulimiotes is peloponese
what bullshit who are talking
suliomiotes as suliotes were illyrogreeks NOT SHQIPTARS

hmm yes it depends to who I am talking,
If that man is fanatic and can see with 1 eye then I can see with 1 eye
for example read my posts about Makedonia is another post,
I can get freak when another is freak, Turks many times use the word Aut for Greeks
as Arnaut for Albanians
the fact is Suliotes is bad story cause even in bulgaria they did not find peace,
I leave as they to decide what are they, The Fact is that by suliotes we have the first Lexicon of M Botsari which is a unique attempt
about shqiptars and arbanites is a subject that you must come to Greece and live it
especially in villages that live Epirotans- Illyrians-Arbanites and work modern Albanian immigrants, as an example I give you that
the old man comes from a village wich have Epirotans from near Ioannina and slavic and Albanian- Arbanites, they all came from another village from Epirus near Delvino -Delvish i think in albanian, well modern days albanian worker came and work the old man's field, That man has even an Arvanit name that is more Albanian than Greek
and was proud for the Albanians in the village,
Until one day at national 28/10/1940 celebration
the man told the story at the village cafe for the loss of his brother in Greek Italian war in today Albania lands, and a fight started with a young fanatic Albanian who told him καλα να παθει means 'he deserve to die', that pushed a situation thank god with no killing, in fact all Albanians were forbiden 1 month to enter village after 7:00 by evening and 7:00 by morning, and at village no Albanian worked fro 1 year,
the reason was 'Shqiptar' nationalism and the old mans brother who fought for freedom against Italian Fasism,
That is why Shqiptar in Greece means NAZI and FASIST, when Albanian means people from Albania,
The word Albanian is not a bad word,
The word Turk-Alban reminds older war, and keeps Greeks in suspicion
But the word shqiptar is like red infront a bull to many arbanites,

6.the albanian canun is also a Greek kanon κανων and means law we can find also in minor asia in Kulla and even to pontic greeks
means that you have not search the Greek Καννων and the Church Πηδαλιο,
probably you are a muslim or a catholic,
those who live under church law follow the πηδαλλιον of Basil of Caesarea
and those who are accepted to church but not follow must obey the Καννων,
I don't want to tell you more about that, but if there is a cleric of orthodox church near you live ask him,
'no woman with child will ....
children under 12 .... etc '

about kastrioti
one day I gother all the sources and I will write them down, to see that a lot of evidence gives connection with Greek Makedonia, and south Peloponese, as also family connection with serbs to contribute to an alliance,
Kastrioti is an Albanian Hero, but many is under search and claims,



You can manipulate whith the antique period, in relation to the lack of Albanian institutions to protect from appropriation, but you can't make and the new history of albanian, greek history, because now we have our first free institutions (no matter that they are still weak) and the least we can do this time, is presentation to the world opinion, the right informations, INSTITUCIONALLY (from us albanians, because the scientific world has said its word).
So far, this issue is left to the "status quo", because awareness of the Albanians in this direction would result domino effects, above all political, then the historical, cultural and geostrategic. But in relation to multidimensional rebuilding as a nation (like the phoenix from the ashes of destruction) and ability to manage the glory, awareness becomes inevitable.

hmm
the fact is wrong as put it,
Greek writer and language is the biggest and one of the most ancient,
that does not mean albanian is modern, but is at the beginng of studdy, since first Lexicon is M Botsari I Think
Greek scientists have Illyria in the wide Thyrrenian-Pelasgian familly but not in the close proto-Pelasgian,
the fact is the gennetic simularity as also the Linguistic not IE words can permit that,
if you look the map of the Thyrennian language albania is included,
but a good approach to Greek far studies will help you,
many times I said that Illyria split or isolated by romano-celtic and persian and probably before Mycenae and walk her own way, and Greece walk another road,
example Alexander and Pyrros 1 east 2 west

the ocupation of turks as also invasion as also the Near thracian, which for me is a big question if they speak thyrrenian also?????
gave modern language a big separation
 
Besir you are still wrong
I told you Zeus 10 is Full of Mistakes

1 Hellenes is the Pelasgian name and Greek is the outer name,

now watch carefully

1 iner Pelasgian
Cyclades Minoan Lemnean , civilizations naval that connect with Levant and phoenicia, as also with minor asia Hettit and greek Theba

2 wide Pelasgian THEBA, Athens Thessaly Aegean Thracia minor Asia North west
Inner name Hellenes from Hellenas river
THEY ARE THE HELLENES THE GREEKS

The dorians were never an Illyrian tribe
the dorians were pure pelasgians from Peloponese relatives of arcadians that left to help lapithes against Centaurs and returned
READ ABOUT TEMENUS BEFORE YOU MAKE CONCLUSIONS


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temenus

What Illyrian bullshit you say, told you Zeus is hoax that even change polytheism and made the Cypriots Albanians


lets see fake scientist how is language in Doric
tell me
also how is written crete in alphabet change and how

doric
the language is Γρουσσα Pelago-Thyreenian has infuence IE R1
Ionic Γλουσσα -Γλωττα Pelasgian inner ?????
Aiolic Γρεσα Pelago Thyreenian has IE influence
Cretan Γρετα Inner Pelasgian NO IE INFLUENCE
achaic Greka
in Homeer the one who speek Greek Γραισσοι
now lets leave the phoenician Alphabet and Use the Greek alphabet similar Latin

doric Crouss -Gruk
Ionic ------
Aeolic Cresa - Greca
Creta Creta !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Γραισσοι (Hommer) αι = ai or ee Creess ss-> k Greek

In modern Greek the understand word also has a synoym the Γρικαω -kas past εΓρικησα
means do you speak ?

the only IE if they invade so south is the myceneans,
But UNTIL TODAY MANY BELIEVE THAT THE GREEK IS A PROTO IE LANGUAGE,
as Persian

according the Greco-Aryan Hypothesis
according the Kurgan Hypothesis
The only IE R1 people that change language is the mycenaes,
But that is still under Doubt cause it is more possible to take IE language from The Hetits than a far north Scythian who manage to invade so down and change the language,

The kurgan Hypothesis does not explain well the Anatolian languages

As you understand Zeus10 has another mistake here

cause in the Thyreenian languages is also the Phillistine not only etruscan


as you see Aristoteles is not wrong Zeus 10 is,
Γραισοι means speakers,
the one who Γρεκαν and not βαρβαριζειν
the one who speak and understand and not the one who speak and sounds like Bark
βαρ in Greek means bark Barbaros = is the barker

The Pelasgians were never Egyptians they are the Iauan, the iapetus Japheth
from Levant cousins of Phoenicians
The Kush Egyptians came after Pelasgic in Peloponese and still dont know when
and are the mess people, the messapic the messenians
there is a posibility that Mess people first habit Sicily

About koine there are many koine

1 koine starts in 776BC in the change of games from Hellenas river to olympia

2nd koine is the Attic-Ionic which is the
attic of before and
attic after Pericleus
the second attic is the Language of Aristoteles
The Argeiads makedonian spoke a dialect that sounds more to Atiic 2 period than Doric
the Aeolian Makedonian spoke a Dialect that could be understand only by other aeolians


3rd the 1rst attemp of koine starts from Amuntas in Makedonia in 373 BC
later continued by Phillip and Alexander etc

the 2nd attempt is by Ptolemy in Alexandreia

slowly koine that follows the ionic Branch in grammar but words of other
becomes the Hellenistic Koine I
Later enter more thracian and becomes Hellenistic Koine II
and Finally the Hellenistic Koine III
the OLD TESTAMENT translation of 70 is a mix of Koine II and III

Besir

watch carefully that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus

they are the pelasgians
NOT FROM EGYPT BUT FROM LEVANT

the around speaking of pelasgians are the thyrrenian or Tyrrshenian
the 'wide spoeken pelasgian'
it is the same like latin language
spain italy france speak latin as also S america, but today is considered Latium the 1 rst land,

now according the map and my approach which I can discuss up to a limit
the J2 in Ηellas and Illyria is the pelasgian naval
the E-V13 is the Mess that is connected to Achaic Greeks and south west Thessalians
and mainly inner land people
the E-V13 is Danaus from Egypt
as for example the Greek Charos Χαρος is the Egyptian Chorus
the E-V13 is more connected with Achaic and Aeolic people

to understand more read just Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians

even troy is a pelasgian 'wide'

from History by the invasion of Illyros to north

Now for every one that doesn't understand and read this post,
not for you besir
the Pelasgians are not Greek But proto Greek

The pelasgians created the Thyrrenian - Tyrrshenian culture, and the minoan - phillistine culture
the thyrrenian is pre Greek to almost Greek
as also Pre Etruscan as almost Etruscan
the case of Albania and Tyrrhenian culture
is for albanian searchers and academics to decide it
Greeks place Albanians as Thyrrenian influenced
as also put many Thracian tribes to that
but the main problem is the Thracian, the Ancient Thracians connection with Tyrrhenians
as also the cretan-minoan influence of κουρητες (kuretes) to Illyria)
and the Carni to Slovenia
Carni from Carinthia to Roman Illyria
 
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Iapetoc,
you can be right that Pelasgians created the Thyrrenian - Tyrrshenian culture.

There are thoughts that Thyrrenians were I people.

There are elements for and against.

Today Serbs, Bosnians and Slavo Macedonians speak Slavic language.

But they received Slavic language from R1a bearers.

It is not known yet which the language I beares spoke.

Scientists are investigating which was old I the language, and there are many assumptions, it is still unknown whether the old I the language was Pelazgian, or other, Iapetoc what do you think which the language of the old languages is closest to be the language of I bearers?
 
@ Iapetoc
I have so much to say in relation to your response, but for the sake of the rules of communication, I ask you to reply about every part of my writing. Only in this way I can cut all you paths in the next time and not to stay in the same place. Because as I see you don't give up from your poor propaganda. You pass silently by other facts, and you start playing whith words.
 
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Besir
Zeus 10 is a cheap propaganda

as you Did

Phoenician and Romano-Celt ???????

simply think that many words are better explianed by other languages with out Fantasies,

I dont make propaganda
someone else is trying

by the Hy in the ευχη (efche) eyhy as you do it next time yoy will tell me that albanians are the Hyksos that rules Egypt.

Agrotai Aleksiwn EYCHAN
That is Greek language not albanian, you can not explain it by albanian,
but you touch the meaning
it is simple
Farmers wish (not curse) to Alexis
wish ευχη is εχε ευ
ευχομαι = εχε ευ
means to have the good, the best,
in ancient syntax to make 1 word turns rules
eche ev -> ev-eche eveche - evche

if I take your approach
a pray to Hy ????
is there a God Hy? ????



if Albanians are true inner pelasgian then the pelasgian civilization should born in albania, and from ther should spread,
then why Pelasgian are found in Greek islands minor asia and not that much in dardania,

what language was the Messapic, have you ever wonder?

want Dorian language ok

Τήνοι δίντε ’τα νι μάκο, αφιόνι, να κασεί.

«Μα για ξείκα, Τζελjίνα, καμάžι π‘οι ñ’ εν’ έχα α ñύιθη»

mostly follow the rythm _ long U short ' tone

' u 'u 'u _u_u
or -u'-u'
simmilar to cretan dialect

instead the Ionic

Now write 1 by 1 what answers you want,
But if I answer you will stop bullshit????

Besides I don't play with words
It is you play wit IE and makes them Pelasgic,

the Pelasgic by the words we find is not clear How IE they are
but surely gave a lot in IE languages latin and Greek from anciety
and my problem is still the connection with thracian
cause by what I read in Orpheus (ορφικα) have some,

to understand pelasgic

explain the
Larissa word
or the Labyrinth

there many mistakes in works that have been done in the past,
and later proved to be fixed by IE words
like sponge
in an old work was pelasgic
but comes from IE fix
σπογγος = εις (φιγγω) Virb
συσ+φιγγω = σφιγγω to fix, press to fix

as you see 2 ΙΕ words make 1 word that was considered not IE
that can trick befool a scientist

but we know that the axe is Λαβρυς in pelasgic Labrus - Lavris
cause it is in languages of IE
but only in Greek Luwan Hetit and simmilar to Latin only, around Pelagos
if it is in albanian I dont know

and besides 6000 years after we are looking for pelasgic words,

and Zeus 10 and Ar.. k..a are trying to prove what?
that the Greek language is Albanian origin !!!!!!!
and Greeks don't know their language, and albanians speak better Greek than the Greeks !!!!
or the turn to modern Greek is a stupidity that cuts the past
cause for that I am a fan of ancient
but for explain me Greek words with wrong words, and hide the exact word, is stupidity,
it is like telling your dad what to do to make you a brother
whom you are fooling Zeus10???? only your people, the albanians that read you,
cause Greeks know the virb Etoimazw and the word Apax and the euche (eyhe)



Besir zeus 10 is like Liakopoulos the man proved that Greeks came from outer space, and the indians of south America were ruled by Greeks
some people they know that stupidity sells and write bullshit,
I believe that Albanian linguists are more severe, than some stupid cheap nazi propaganda,

you said that in albanian
Zeus is good GOD
Dias is the Devil
ok maybe in albanian

but in Greek Zeus = Di-i-eus (THE GOD (the divinity it self)
Dios = Di-os (of God)
Di , DE, as I told in another post is in many name of gods

Devil in Greek is Δια-Βολος Diabolo as you see it, it is easy to say the Zeus Bull,
Dia = Zeus Bolo = Bull ,
whell that is wrong, cause that bollo comes from virb βαλλω =I shoot

But according to zeus10 posts and fantasy will be the zeus Bull that iesralites worship in desert,

and not the the divinity that appears in Job and other prophets that shoots doubts

ok
again ask me down of that 1 thing the time
in your next post

Understand it
Zeus10 is a sick that hates Greeks, and all day works with lies and bullshit just to convise Albanians that they are more Greeks than the Greeks,
if it was possible he will tell that Greeks are indians who came from antarctika and speak shuachili

watch carefully the map of macciamo the J2 and the E-v13
in albania there is much J2 as in Aegean, but drops in kossyfo
same in Greece to the mountains, why?
but Greek language is the language of J2 pellasgic E messenian and R1a (thracian)
the albanian is the language of J2 of E and R1b (romano celt)
that is why you say mire jam
the wrod mire is not in Greek Language
the rest is from J2 and E that probably speak same language in an 4000 years before today
(i don't put the turkish in both)
but that does not mean that Albanians speak better Greek,
it is a stupidity since albania has few centuries of clear scintific search and greece has few millenium,
you can use ancient greek as a tool, but don't tell me that ancient greek is albanian native language so greeks are albanians, cause the less romano celtic lingua in west world is Greek
it is the language with fewest roman after far slavic,
instead the albania has more,
 
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Pelasgians created the Thyrrenian - Tyrrshenian culture.

There are thoughts that Thyrrenians were I people.

There are elements for and against.

Today Serbs, Bosnians and Slavo Macedonians speak Slavic language.

But they received Slavic language from R1a bearers.

It is not known yet which the language I beares spoke.

Scientists are investigating which was old I the language, and there are many assumptions, it is still unknown whether the old I the language was Pelazgian, or other, Iapetoc what do you think which the language of the old languages is closest to be the language of I bearers?

Of course that Pelasgian create Thyrrenian. The first example above ("Stele of Lemno" - http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/f/155/ogH7jnqU6BM) from Pelasgian inscriptions that can be read only by the Albanian language, is in fact whith Thyrrenian language http://soul-of-the-pillar.blogspot.com/2010/11/pelasgians-and-etruscansgreek-alphabet.html
As we can say for Etruscan, in that level we can speak about the Thyrrenian as Pelasgic derivatives.


@ iapetoc
"I ask you to reply about every part of my writing. Only in this way I can cut all your paths in the next time and not to stay in the same place."
Every time you write something, you gave me so much material to respsonce and I can't wait to take your words one by one, even that you tell me something which is not related directly to what I wrote, and when you want to prove something as wrong, by telling me synonyms of greek language that also don't have to do whith the old pre-greek language, you verifie what I'm telling you. Also thanks for the materials that shows how the smallest semantic units or albanian language roots, are in every linguistic concept, name, mythological character, etc; and you are trying to tell greek morphems and you forget about roots and smallest semantic concepts, that are albanian inside those morphems...
In your approach you have to know this basic fact before you want to speak about history of that region, that Mediterranean region was a RESTRICTIVE area as a result of continued EXPANSION, that has already served as a resource creation, would later serve in the liaison function of the distribution of peoples, languages and cultures, mainly from east to west...

About language, firstly you have to consider this part: Pelasgian(or albanian) language, before it has split into greek and latin: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247827&id=100001133356751 ...

So, I have to tell you one more time, keep my words one by one from the first post in this page and pay attention to references what I gave and response about, because If I proceed to speak like in MSN here, I offend/override that what I wrote above (were you can find the answers you seek for). Anyway, and I can't wait to take your words one by one, after you'll take mine.
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For those who want to learn more in this direction:

Culture
(within the topic):

Fustanella and its adoption by the greek state
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WPeKGaNW3g

Albanians and Art
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/102/3Uwl3OulWgQ

Magnificent Albanian Clothing
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/178/yreE8ZcXB_8

Albanian costumes
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/194/FUOVoGvHXiE

The Celebrated Albanian Kilt; Fustanella e Fameshme e Shqipetarit
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/192/WaKFCC5-IEk

Fustanella / Kilt an Albanian Traditional Costume !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXEpUCx_V3w

Pelasgic culture of the Albanians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/157/BAxELx8XdcU


Ancient Albanian Dances
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/24/sSZydLZ5B5o

The Illyrians dancing
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/74/TBa9ZEU-PO4

The Celebrated Albanian Kilt; Fustanella e Fameshme e Shqipetarit
http://www.youtube.com/v/WaKFCC5-IEk

Ancient Albanian Culture & History Preserved Through Art
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/178/yreE8ZcXB_8

Fustanella, Born in Arberia
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/185/FszFtWN_LCc

Albanian Hat - Odysseus, Patroculus, Ptolemey
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/168/P1tvmnc3cVU


Music of Epirus: UNESCO on Albanian Polyphonic Heritage
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/421/DSa1mZrBq1g

Albanian Warrior- From Illyria to Now.
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/45/lePfNJjtae0
...

Souliot, Arvanit, Cham
(for dilemmas of Iapetoc)...

The NY Times on Souliote Albanians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/115/ua3YK-kNx4w

Souliotes/Suliots-by Andre Gerolymatos-part 1
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/c/6065AC9B75911C99/181/ABo3PMhIbUo

Souli & Souliotes - the Albanian brave warriors
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/163/4QFAqVvpuWk

THE ARVANITES and their Language / Shqiptaret e Greqise
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/167/byxNzAYVqvw

Albanians, Arvanites & Greek revolution - Myths and Reality
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/162/BoG5ecO60lY

Famous Greeks of Albanian origin
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/172/38sZgTjELQo

The Arvanites Aristidh Kola
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/117/mpsPP31Mj5k

The Great Arvanite Hero - Aristidh Kolia 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/174/QJZE_ac85L0

Arvanites,Albanians in Greece
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/192/FRqgpAUentM

Albanians in "Greece"
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/194/lNYZqHwZHYM

THE ALBANIAN CULTURE OF MODERN GREECE! IS THERE ANYTHING HELLENIC ABOUT THE MODERN GREEKS?
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/151/0X9a_Z-bT3I

Albos-Albanians-Αλβανοί-Shqipetar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GjJVrGinY

Romans did NOT identify Epirots as Greeks
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/154/iKt43MNs3T0

ΑΚΑΔΗΜΙΑ ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ TRAILER
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/206/oS_WkXQdAQ0
...

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Greek and Serbian Ethnic Cleansing Projects - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/373/YjtBNL29_gk

Greek crimes in Epirus against Ethnic Arvanites / Albanians !!
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/372/RhuhdMgAkdk

NEVER FORGET.... CAMERIA June 27
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/394/NALfGJPFO64

Chameria.... Against Greek Propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/400/_G8QNXo7HyQ

Albanian Chameria Issue, the "Tibet" of Europe !!!
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/175/4gdp4fmJ7Yc

Tsamides kai sto Eam???Video for Greeks........
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/423/2fR_OehPjxU

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The Absurd Pseudo Greek Lies !
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/10/L_LlkruQsiM

GREECE, THE LAND WHERE MYTHS REPLACE THE HISTORY. (Myths about Epirus)-PART I-
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/95/618MuqqTXhU

Ancient Greece and modern greeks
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/410/agCSfgZFIOc

Modern "Greeks" (Christian Turks) vs The truth.
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/134/VqfKtYAjBEM

Modern Greeks are not the old hellens
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/136/-IxSkvNdefY

Isn't the history of Epirus a Greek fabrication??
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/153/4c1zzTPBbSM

Slavic origin of modern Greeks - The video that shocked Greece
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/113/3cVcpovlK5c
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History:

THE CREDITS BELONG TO THE PELASGIANS.-(Part I)-
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/169/_ulZ_OeP3nk

Atlantians = Pelasgians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/21/ujBAKo6NkJY

Pelasgians - Mediterranean Sea dominance
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/22/RxpxVJ6yh-Y

Ancient Albanians Pelasgians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/36/oC5dIGKQ3_E

The Sea People
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/40/4zDLtPp97j0

Pelasgians-root of the Ancient world;greek,phoenician,hebrew,etc .wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/152/KjIqLLP9FnU

Underground Pelasgian cities in Cappadocia ╠01╣
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/170/K1X9l9JhPhk

Alba - the Day Lighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFlmceV75c

Alba - The Eagle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhg9X0LhEI4

Eagle of the Sky, Alba - Albania
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/37/SVSRmNIK5V8

Rising Phoenix
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/129/ST-N80hBgSQ

Pelasgians: the first Inhabitants of the Balkans
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/111/fOCx3asVeB8

Proto-Albanians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/11/jhmmRFmOhic

Old Albanian Script
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/16/FcbQyLF4BPA

ILLYRIANS AND THRACIANS
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/167/ZZTUaxHQWiw

Illyrians and Albanians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/10/zmDH55FMvoM

Was Alexander the Great greek or slavo-macedonian?
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/75/G6YqR5vI58Q

Macedonia - 4000 years of Albanian continuance (Video that shocked both Greece & FYROM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NS-uZMohw

Old-albanian as initiator in the Balkans
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/108/My7W5XTVr3k

The Land of Eagles - The Land of Albanians
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/103/-WePmNTzC1M

illyrian history with the truth- short documentary
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/105/HRbk4UCQXAo

The ILLYRIAN EMPERORS of ROME and BYZANTINE EMPIRE
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/18/NJ_XDlKf9lA

The truth about albanians ILLYRICUM SACRUM
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/48/eCBi8d81_Lg

Montenegrin's - THEIR ALBANIAN ORIGIN
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/158/G_1RasAJO4k

Albanian historical rights on Kosovo
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/17/7nepY-77ckQ

Origin of Serbs
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/110/g1SvRh8tzXg

SERBIAN IDENTITY VS ALBANIAN IDENTITY (by :UKSHIN HOTI)
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/104/Hqt7MwH54oE

REVIEWING AN ""ANCIENT"" MAP.(Part I)
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/192/cbXz8NPNlGw

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Pelasgian Conspiracy.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/151/hlSNC0wVlnY

Pelasgians-root of the mediterraneans.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/146/b-UTZONhvn0

Phara - The seed of many nations and people.wmv
Freemasons and Albanians.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/165/mBU7B1TC0N8

Freemasons and Albanians.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/144/QbLYh3pODFQ

Freemasons and Albanians 2.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/145/5UGlG6Kg9vA


Jews and Albania.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/147/q0LvS1i96TA

Albanian Muslims rescue Jews in WW2 #1
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/84/Zgj-xshWOr8

Albanism-in Albania.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/148/CG2Ic7_wuk8

Albanians-unusual people.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/149/19aniM9BHeI

Barbarians of the North-East Europe.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/150/IEARPctZ8TU

Albanian Flag - a Masonic flag!.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/186/jbKdzxegT4Y

Dragon - Albanian Flag.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/153/WD5PoFdieYQ

Albanians against the world power.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/178/5KYfxjEu0QQ

Albanians and the world.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/180/nRKmdebaAzA

Albania - a hot melting pot.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/166/I4ci3bMchqI

Albania - victim of Europe.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/182/0Vc_-tRuAeg

Albanians and their friendly nations and people.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/191/BsQ74G3b7TE

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Language:

Symbols of Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/39/kOqxp8BqLW0

Albanian language in ancient Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/5/TQXai-M4nxA

Measurement of the LANGUAGE PIE (Proto-Indo-European)
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/171/eFgWlujuY1w

Indo-Europeans
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/172/irZqw3W-kV0

Albanian Language: Names Origin of the Ancient Gods.
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/33/ioiqUWrMmkE

Re:The Albanian Language: Pure and Pelasgian?
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/32/buBxXsqGprg

Old) Albanian Living legacy of a dead language (?)
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/174/BAIXnpMhlC4

Pelasgic - Illyrian - Etrusco - and Albanian Language!
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/109/J0c8WzrnaXg

Many Ancient words have meaning only in Albanian
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/139/_ULzmfcN948

Ancient greek gods were pelagians.flv
http://www.youtube.com/2b1985#p/f/130/a1GOQSlJR0Q

Albanian Language and the connection with the Q-Celtic /Keltoi languages !!
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/29/ZCq3FGPAJTs

Latinishtja dhe Shqipja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMLAWedKmtk

Latinishtja dhe Shqipja II
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/26/UMLAWedKmtk
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Mythology:

SUN's movement in the Human History.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/f/78/5Eq2sehTmRo

Old Myth of the Snake's Gate
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/0/udQqDF43ifA

United World Babylon
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/1/VP-Dv6k4xF8

Noah's people
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/8/3VF8Vcr1mJ4

Sun - Snake
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/189/PXEfAaXdhno

Stonehenge and the Sun.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/183/uoPxLK-5UIU

Europeans Origin
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/119/rH-WSxLiVKA

World Civilization mystery
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/120/fzRmML4xHXk

Race of Man
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/116/Y5B0s47gFnY

The First Land
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/121/hhC-ZXJ2chc

Myth or History of Man
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/118/8mSi-RQcTmo

Mythology is the Old World History
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/196/x0Tl9VVziYA


God of the Earth
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/195/MlLEh-olksI

Centre of the Wheel of God (in the world)
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/f/350/c7SB5vq9Gdk


Pyramids and the Wheel of Ages.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/164/KJvITdNbp_s

Ancient artifacts and the elite secrets.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/181/DYhkA_cP0_g

Sky signs and Earth
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/f/344/DJMCiUl4uy0

The Illyrian Religion
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/41/mgUV3CWfjMs

Illyrian/Albanian ancient God(Baba Tomor)
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/77/IUul6QPvKtE


Illyrian History
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/95/KanBzjM83y8

Giant Ancient Temples
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/130/xBlz7sxduss

Giants of the Mediterranean
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/125/to5pqz2dFIE

Tree (Wheel) of life
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/123/zLwQPdcvj7o


The Son Dragon
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/2/uBNMCwq7v8c

Two headed Dragon
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/3/UvYt15mbBaA

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DNA:

Albanian Dna
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/13/pOGHj4JyGDs

Albanian Dna 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Ht9azD9A8

Albanians Origin
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/14/oOECnfKzMqQ

Greater Albania- Myth or Fact?
http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/c/1F6C5E09AF6DB3AF/107/vt3diMHjP34

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247897&l=53a0cd559a&id=100001133356751





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I presented here a lot of info (whithout takink into account links from youtube).
- So, I dont responce to those who make me to rewrite pieces from those what I already wrote {Because in that way,
I offend/override that what I wrote above (were you can find the answers you seek for)} .
- I dont responce to ignorants and spamers too.
 
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besir I think you are a spammer

you send tones of stupidity

and I ask you one by one

now about Lemnean stele

Of course that Pelasgian create Thyrrenian. The first example above ("Stele of Lemno" - http://www.youtube.com/2B1985#p/f/155/ogH7jnqU6BM) from Pelasgian inscriptions that can be read only by the Albanian language, is in fact whith Thyrrenian language http://soul-of-the-pillar.blogspot.com/2010/11/pelasgians-and-etruscansgreek-alphabet.html
As we can say for Etruscan, in that level we can speak about the Thyrrenian as Pelasgic derivatives.
As we can say for Etruscan, in that level we can speak about the Thyrrenian as Pelasgic derivatives.@

one word PARANOIA

the lemnian stele

The inscriptions are in an alphabet similar to that used to write the Etruscan language and the older Phrygian inscriptions, all derived from Euboean scripts (Western Greek alphabet, alphabets of Asia Minor). These scripts are ultimately of West Semitic origin and were adapted by various peoples from before the 8th century BC.

The stele was found built into a church wall in Kaminia and is now at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens. The 6th century date is based on the fact that in 510 BC the Athenian Miltiades invaded Lemnos and Hellenized it. The stele bears a low-relief bust of a helmeted man and is inscribed in an alphabet similar to the western ("Chalcidian") Greek alphabet. The inscription is in Boustrophedon style, and has been transliterated but had not been successfully translated until serious linguistic analysis based on comparisons with Etruscan, combined with breakthroughs in Etruscan's own translation started to yield fruit.
The inscription consists of 198 characters forming 33 to 40 words, word separation sometimes indicated with one to three dots. The text consists of three parts, two written vertically and one horizontally. Comprehensible is the phrase aviš sialχviš ("aged sixty", B.3), reminiscent of Etruscan avils maχs śealχisc ("and aged sixty-five").

so besir is your chance as a linguist,
Go and translate the stele since you are albanian and only Albanians can read it


Aegean language family

A larger Aegean family including Eteocretan (Minoan language) and Eteocypriot has been proposed by G.M. Facchetti, referring to some possible similarities between the Etruscan language and ancient Lemnian (an Aegean language widely thought to be related to Etruscan), and some Ancient Aegean languages: such as Minoan, Eteocretan and Philistine languages. If these languages could be shown to be related to Etruscan and Rhaetic, they would constitute a pre-Indo-European phylum stretching from the Aegean islands and Crete across mainland Greece and the Italian peninsula to the Alps. Facchetti proposes a hypothetical linguistic family derived from Minoan in two branches. From Minoan he proposes a Proto-Tyrrhenian from which would have come the Etruscan, Lemnian and Rhaetic languages. James Mellaart has proposed that this language family is related to the pre-Indo-European Anatolian languages, based upon place name analysis.[2] From another Minoan branch would have come the Eteocretan and Philistean languages.[3] However, this is by no means a common view; there are just as serious attempts to link Eteocretan and Eteocypriot with Semitic, and mainstream scholarship takes no position. Facchetti himself claims that it is only a hypothesis.

The stele can be read in ETEOCRETAN Phoenician Semitic Mygdonian Raetic THRACIAN

it is the only connection of Thyrrenian with Thracian especially kikkoni and sappean

now if you can understand it in Albanian is because of Thyrrenian family


in Greek it can be also be explained but has many diffrences due to anatolian pelasgic than phoenician semitic

example

aviš = aged Etruscan
avils = aged Lemnian
vi-ose = lived Greek
Βι-ωνω = i live Vi-ono i m a wittness of life
Bι-ος Vi-os = Life time of a living
βαβω vavo the grand mother Vavo
ALSO IN TRACIAN AND SLAVIC
βαββε-ου vavvu the grand father today παππου
babba - Βαβα -> elderer (father and junior)
you will also find the βεβηκας vevikas very old (overaged)
Εpirotan song about Vavo βαβω slavic Baba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVLKnVUgzRU
modern Greek (1955)
ηλικια - ηλικι-ονομαι = the sum of bi-os (life)
from Helica how many turns around Sun

In the makedonian dialect wich is near Vrygian we have Βελιος Belios = old
that becames Pelios at early Phillips times


now stop bullshit of only albanian
simply with Greek Thyrrenian it is difficult cause that stele is more Phoenician - Thyrrenian than Pelasgian.

it is like the Pyrgi tablets which are more Semitic Phoenician (Sidon) and canaanite

THAN Anatolian Thyrrenian Cretan Luwan Phillistine Cypriot (Tyre -Phoenician)

Later, in the 6th to 5th centuries BC, the name referred specifically to the Etruscans, for whom the Tyrrhenian Sea is named, according to Strabo.[4] In Pindar,[5] the Tyrsanoi appear grouped with the Carthaginians (the Phoenicians of the west, where Brutas go from Lemnos)

Now if you believe That ONLY IN ALBANIAN CAN THE STELE TO BE READ THEN GO TELL THE SCIENTISTS CAUSE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrsenian_languages

Tyrsenian_languages.png


:unsure: :unsure:
hm the map is wrong the red should not be in Italy or austria, it should be in Albania
since only in albanian language the stele can be read

they are all wrong, they simply missjudge albanian language wich is the mother of all languages Indo_european Thyrrenian and Semitic, :shocked: :shocked:
probably the first language of the world is Albanian as you claim by the
About language, firstly you have to consider this part: Pelasgian(or albanian) language, before it has split into greek and latin
Bullshit cheap propaganda again of zeus10

simply nationalist paranoia
like Hitler Only the German aryan will rulle the world
I gave you example of stele words in Greek As I also admit that is difficult to read it in pelasgian Greek although it has connection cause of being more semitic than anatolian pelasgic

like dejavu in post for Makedonians
Maybe there is world conspiracy against Alnanians By scientists, that do not explain Lemnian stele with Albanian and explain it with Raecian :wary2:



@pre-greek language, you verifie what I'm telling you. Also thanks for the materials that shows how the smallest semantic units or albanian language roots, are in every linguistic concept, name, mythological character, etc; and you are trying to tell greek morphems and you forget about roots and smallest semantic concepts, that are albanian inside those morphems...
In your approach you have to know this basic fact before you want to speak about history of that region, that Mediterranean region was a RESTRICTIVE area as a result of continued EXPANSION, that has already served as a resource creation, would later serve in the liaison function of the distribution of peoples, languages and cultures, mainly from east to west...:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

About language, firstly you have to consider this part: Pelasgian(or albanian) language, before it has split into greek and latin
:petrified:

:grin: Pelasgian(or albanian) language :grin:
simply bullshit
the albanian has pelasgic words it is not the pelasgic language,
simply Cyclopean Blindness

what roots of albanian language,
albanian Language is more Romano-Celtic than pelasgian,
Pelasgian language is lost,
left behind the Aegean languages
even Cretans don't do what you do, who are real Pelasgians J2 with autochonus
simply you are a lunatic fanatic that in your next work you will us that albanians came from planet Sirius and gave language and lights to Humanity,

Albanian See also: Origins of the Albanians #Obsolete theories and Albanian nationalism
In 1854, an Austrian diplomat and Albanian language specialist, Johann Georg von Hahn, identified the Pelasgian language with Ur-Albanian. This theory is entirely rejected by contemporary archaeological and historical circles, but retains staunch support among Albanian nationalists.[65]
Attica

During the early 20th century, archaeological excavations conducted by the Italian Archaeological School and by the American Classical School on the Athenian Acropolis and on other sites within Attica revealed Neolithic dwellings, tools, pottery and skeletons from domesticated animals (i.e. sheep, fish). All of these discoveries showed significant resemblances to the Neolithic discoveries made on the Thessalian acropolises of Sesklo and Dimini. These discoveries help provide physical confirmation of the literary tradition that describes the Athenians as the descendants of the Pelasgians, who appear to descend continuously from the Neolithic inhabitants in Thessaly




Albanian language in ancient Egypt
:grin:

watch what you write
so Albanians who are Etruscans, who are Thracians who are Phoenician who are Dorian Greeks who Are Semitic who are Proto IE who are Aryan and maybe the Persians were Albanians, or the slavic people came out from Albania

ALBANIANS GAVE LANGUAGE TO ANCIENT EGYPT

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

the trugh is that Ancient Kush Egyptian elements exist in Albanian Language as also in Greek Language from Mess people E-V13 carriers

you even make ancient Egyptians Albanians


how can I take you serious


Αλεξανδρος


Αλεξ = αλεχιω virb protect the other the next
Aλεξ-κεραυνο
Αλεξ-ισφαιρο
Αλεκ-τος
Αλεξ-ηλιον
Αλεξ-ηνεμον
Αλεκ-τωρ (rooster) Aλεκ-τορνις (protects chickens)


ανδρος

nomin o ανηρ
posessive του ανδρος

not sqender not lekka

But Αλεξανδρος,

οκ besir

Νazi = Nationalistic
and you are ablind nationalistic propaganda, not a scientiest
You see only with one eye and you dont want to cooperate in search
so for me ..........................
simply not to take you serious




THE Wide Thyrrenian family

pelaszgians.png


in fact modern approaches are proving that area was bigger in minor asiaand included Caria Lydia and Lyacaonia and reach to Cyprus
and the connection with thracian south slavic is under search

also misses the area of Racians and Phillistines and the city of Tyre

(plz don't tell me now that Phillistines spoke albanian, and don't create a video that Alexander was an Etruscan)
it is more simple
in Albanian language we have elements of Thyrrenian language and that is why the map is yellow in Albania, not that the Albanian language is the mother of Thyrrenean language,



Reductio ad absurdum

in another post you said that dorians were Illyrians that is why they hate Athenes etc
in this post you say that Albanians are the only pelasgians,
so what are they the Dorians? Illyrians or Pelasgians?????
cause we know from Thukididis that Athens was Pelasgian,
so the doric which you say they were pelasgian illyrian as also Kolla sais why they hate Atheneans which they were pelasgians also????? .......
Simply Absurdum
 
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iapetoc

Besim tells his construction.

In the Slavic countries people learn that the Pelasgian language is (proto) Slavic (Slavonic).

For example, the linguist Sergei Rjabichkov has long researched and published a lot of books, one of them is:

Rjabichkov, Sergei V. 1998th Ancient texty Slavyan and adygov

Interestingly, the author claims:

Reading of a Linear A Text, Cretan tablets

Reading of the text of the Phaistos Disk

corespond (proto) Slavonic language.

http://slavonicweb.chat.ru/disk.htm

Total by this author Proto Slavonic languages are three:

1) the Scythian (Sarmatian) language is the Proto-Slavonic ones

2) Other Proto-Slavonic dialects are the languages of the Pelasges (the writing of Linear A, and its decorative version on the Phaistos disk) and

3) of the Etruscans.
 
Somebody is spaming the thread with egyptian pictures.

Fustanella or kilt, is unique in Europe. Scotland, Albania, Greece (Arvanitika), and some highlanders throughout the europe, use that. It is not the same with egyptian customs.

About the thread, I think, the fact that "tartan" is found in Bajkal, doesnt mean that fustanella comes from bajkal (Azia, white mumies).

Fustanella originate in Ballkan, and Tartan originate in Asia. When the people os the stepes come to Central Europe, they intermingled with Old Balkan people who used fustanella, and then went to Britain, so they use fustanella with tartan.

But Balkan population specially, those of south, doesnt were afected by Kelts, and so their fustanella is not of Tartan, but is White Fustanella.
 
Neander
Karakatsan people were white Fustanella and had white sheeps,
but after fall Of Con/polis were black Fustanella and keep black sheeps
 
Neander
Karakatsan people were white Fustanella and had white sheeps,
but after fall Of Con/polis were black Fustanella and keep black sheeps
The same is about Malisors, which live near Montenegro. They had white Jurdia, and after the death of Skanderbeg they use black Jurdia.
 
The same is about Malisors, which live near Montenegro. They had white Jurdia, and after the death of Skanderbeg they use black Jurdia.
Yes, you are right, this part it's interesting that shows that even geg albanians used fustanella, not just tosk albanians.
 
Yes, you are right, this part it's interesting that shows that even geg albanians used fustanella, not just tosk albanians.
Alexander Hilferding, a slavicized Jew who created Russian Idealism, wrote that Gegs of Sandjak region, exactly Sjenica in South Serbia, used fustanellas, like those of south Albania.
 
greeks men use skirts like scotish, is this a coincidence?
I don't know what are you doing here??

I am telling that from the first post:

Albanians and Scots use fustanella. Is this coincidence???
 
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