Germanic vs Latino - Economic strength?

Listening to our Iberians one can come to conclusion that they are missing self criticism. It's a natural human character to get defencive when criticized by stranger or other group. Self criticism though is a vital element for self improvement. How can one, or one nation, progress if negative things are not identified, then changed or fixed?
If our Iberians are typical characters for the region, the rest population could be similar, and we know they won't let anyone cloud their perfect image. This could be the reason behind Portugal and Spain many problems and always playing catch up game to north Europe.
To make this forum really great, we should be able to discuss good and bad sides of every country and it's people, without being called names and ridiculed. Let's keep in mind that our intentions should be always good. :)

We are NOT talking about valid criticism, we are talking about slandering and spreading lies and distortion about Iberians. If you want to talk FACTS and TRUTH, I'm all for it. Any nonsense, wether it be social, genetic, whatever, will be dealt with accordingly. Enough codswallop, already... Time for some people to grow up and get a life (and, in a few cases, find a psychiatrist).
 
If our Iberians are typical characters for the region, the rest population could be similar, and we know they won't let anyone cloud their perfect image. This could be the reason behind Portugal and Spain many problems and always playing catch up game to north Europe. As I stated above this might have something to do with folks of south being more emotional and getting upset faster than people of north Europe.
OK, sure, Lithuania, Latvia, Rusia, Belarus, Greenland, etc are richer than Spain, Italy and France ? , because they are colder and less emotional... Seriously dudes, grow up.
 
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Cold-minded north-europeans in the last Football World Cup. :rolleyes: Funny how we have never get to see such behaviour from portugueses, frenchs or spanish football supporters in any WC. Nevertheless, I'm not trying to imply that germans are this way... I'm trying to imply that LeBrok stereotypes and generalizations are laughable.

Look LeBrook, you seriously look like a good person but you have no idea where these people is coming from and what this all about.

Wilhelm, you and me know exactly where these people are coming from. Some Eupedia content has been widely posted in some well-known spanish-speaking forums full of latin american trolls.

It's funny to see how the same issues usually discussed by these trolls in those spanish-speaking forums (iberian genetic composition or cultural gaps between our countries and North European countries) are being suddenly brought into Eupedia by the same suspicious people since I registered into Eupedia. I'm starting to feel like a teenage girl in Ciudad Juarez being followed and harassed by zetas every where I go.

These people is starting to scare me and I am serious. Their obsession towards iberian people should be threatened by the WHO (World Health Organization).

This is an invasion coming from other forum i use to visited. I have no problem discussing any economic or social problem regarding my country... but this is not what this people is trying to do.
 
Top 20 Quality of Life index in the world :


  1. Ireland 8,33
  2. Switzerland 8,068
  3. Norway 8,051
  4. Luxembourg 8,015
  5. Sweden 7,937
  6. Australia 7,925
  7. Iceland 7,911
  8. Italy 7,810
  9. Denmark 7,797
  10. Spain 7,727
  11. Singapur 7,719
  12. United States 7,615
  13. Canada 7,599
  14. New Zealand 7,436
  15. Netherlands 7,433
  16. Japan 7,392
  17. Hong-Kong 7,347
  18. Portugal 7,307
  19. Austria 7,268

Italy, Spain and POrtugal over the less emotional United States, Austria, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, United Kingdom, etc, etc
 
We are NOT talking about valid criticism, we are talking about slandering and spreading lies and distortion about Iberians. If you want to talk FACTS and TRUTH, I'm all for it. Any nonsense, wether it be social, genetic, whatever, will be dealt with accordingly. Enough codswallop, already... Time for some people to grow up and get a life (and, in a few cases, find a psychiatrist).

When you say that like this it sounds good. So far they are only words and you didn't show it in actual action when the right time comes. When the time comes to discuss Iberian issues or history your attitude turns defencive and abusive towards anyone with different point of view.
 
yeah i agree with Lynx, most english and german tourists here in Spain are all overexcited and drunk..and get in fights and browls ...talk about being 'less emotional' . Go to Palma de Mallorca if you don't belive me. There are lots of germans there.
 
Thanks for proving my point. Look at your (Iberians) posts here. None of them is trying to analyze, according to the thread title, the economic difference between countries. All of your posts are the attacks against people actually trying to analyze the problem, or you are trying to discredit the subject all together.
Do you see it now, or you're still in denial?
Should I take time and go post by post?
 
Thanks for proving my point. Look at your (Iberians) posts here. None of them is trying to analyze, according to the thread title, the economic difference between countries. All of your posts are the attacks against people actually trying to analyze the problem, or you are trying to discredit the subject all together.
Do you see it now, or you're still in denial?
Should I take time and go post by post?
You are in denial. We have already analyzed this thread, but you are ignorant and keep saying BS, im not going to repeat mysefl, here you go

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355246&postcount=44
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355148&postcount=6
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355207&postcount=31
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355195&postcount=23
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355211&postcount=33
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355184&postcount=17
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355168&postcount=9
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=355246&postcount=44

You have nothing to say about the Quality of Life list that I posted ?
 
Thanks for proving my point. Look at your (Iberians) posts here. None of them is trying to analyze, according to the thread title, the economic difference between countries. All of your posts are the attacks against people actually trying to analyze the problem, or you are trying to discredit the subject all together.
Do you see it now, or you're still in denial?
Should I take time and go post by post?

While your at it, why don't you post all of the lies and exaggerations written about Spaniards and Portuguese by some non-Iberian Eupedia members?

Just exactly what is the problem we are supposed to be analyzing? All kinds of cherry picked information geared to slating things is disfavor of Spaniards and Portuguese? Oh, yes, economic differences, with posted information that is absurdly tendentious. How can you not be critical of such? Get some perspective, man...

With all due respect, I think you are missing something quite basic here, the people who are anti-Iberian on Eupedia either have a twisted agenda or are mendacious racists (some intra-race) so insecure about themselves so they project their self-hatred on to "The Other". I find the whole thing quite pathetic, really.
 
With all due respect, I think you are missing something quite basic here, the people who are anti-Iberian on Eupedia either have a twisted agenda or are mendacious racists (some intra-race) who are insecure about themselves so they project their self-hatred on to "The Other". I find the whole thing quite pathetic, really.

Oh, boy!! :confused:
 
"It's funny to see how the same issues usually discussed by these trolls in those spanish-speaking forums (iberian genetic composition or cultural gaps between our countries and North European countries) are being suddenly brought into Eupedia by the same suspicious people since I registered into Eupedia. I'm starting to feel like a teenage girl in Ciudad Juarez being followed and harassed by zetas every where I go."
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I think to better understand my interest in the subject I will give a bit of my family history. I myself was born in South Africa in the 80s, my mother was a Scottish immigrant and my father was a Portuguese refugee from Mozambique who had fought there in the 60s and had later been forced out due to the civil war.

My parents didn't feel that South Africa was a safe place to bring up a family so the option of a return to Europe was decided. The decision to come to Scotland was made as my parents felt we would have a better future living in the UK than in relation to Portugal.

So the economic gap between the two countries has persnal interest to me. My fathers side of the family have worked as migrant workers arcoss Europe working mainly in construction, in places like Germany and Spain.

I would like to make it clear that it would be stupid of me to be putting down Iberian people as I would be insulting my own family, but you have to look at the reality of the situation regardless of how uncomfortable it makes you. I would make the point that many Spaniards are resentful of Portuguese worker coming into Spain and working for lower wages. You guys are better informed on this subject than me and I would be intersted to hear your views on this subject.

For example my uncle owns a cafe in Coimbra and he still has to work in construction in Spain to make ends meet, and another uncle works in Switzerland. Portugal as been in the EU for a long time now and I wonder why its citizens have to migrate to make a living?

Its sad that people are making comedy of the subject:

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With the Greece financial problems they are saying that the next two countries in the firing line are Spain and Portugal, I'd like to know why?

I'm not having a go at anyone here, as for your anti-iberian suspicions I have to say that from my experience most British people are very fond of the Spanish and have a very romantic view of Spain.


BTW, I already explained why Spain and Portugal are being spoken about as the next two countries "in the firing line". Basically, you have opportunists betting against (shorting) the euro as well speculating on a rise in the sovereign bond yields of certain countries. World financial markets are one big casino and when traders smell blood, s**t happens. And, I speak from experience, since I was a trader on Wall Street for many years. Moodys has already said that the situation in Greece is bordering on the catastrophic - many years in the making - and in no way compares to the state of affairs in either Spain or Portugal. Essentially, both countries have very manageable economic problems.
 
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OK, sure, Lithuania, Latvia, Rusia, Belarus, Greenland, etc are richer than Spain, Italy and France ? , because they are colder and less emotional... Seriously dudes, grow up.

Let's discuss then.
All the countries you mentioned except Greenland, were under Soviet Occupation, with Soviet style socialistic economy imposed on them by force. It ended by 1990, and only from this time forward they could freely decide on their economic and political systems. Don't you think 20 years is a bit short time to fully estimate the potential of people and it's country? How many years Spain is independent and in full control of it's destiny?

Since when Greenland became North European country? Or maybe population is mostly European?
Do you think cold weather makes characters cold?

"Seriously dudes, grow up" - that's the example of the attitude I was talking about. This is the attitude that destroys discussions. That's the attitude of attacking others and not tackling the issues at hand. That's the intimidation technique, and invitation to name calling and slandering people of different point of view. That's the underlining of self importance of the chosen ones, making others immature or simply idiots, not understanding the inquisitive brightness of Spanish mind.

Soooo, let's hear now inventiveness of Iberian's minds about the thread subject.
 
I see that you've completly ignored my references to the germans/english football hooligans (among others comments). How convenient. :)
 
Spain and Portugal have come a long way in the last 30 years, particularly Spain. Both countries were ruled by paranoid, closed-minded dictators for many decades and suffered terribly on a number of levels. Despite crippling political legacies, The two Iberian states have developed dramatically. There are still a number of mountains to climb but I wouldn't bet against Spain or Portugal.
 
Let's discuss then.
All the countries you mentioned except Greenland, were under Soviet Occupation, with Soviet style socialistic economy imposed on them by force. It ended by 1990, and only from this time forward they could freely decide on their economic and political systems. Don't you think 20 years is a bit short time to fully estimate the potential of people and it's country? How many years Spain is independent and in full control of it's destiny?

Since when Greenland became North European country? Or maybe population is mostly European?
Do you think cold weather makes characters cold?

"Seriously dudes, grow up" - that's the example of the attitude I was talking about. This is the attitude that destroys discussions. That's the attitude of attacking others and not tackling the issues at hand. That's the intimidation technique, and invitation to name calling and slandering people of different point of view. That's the underlining of self importance of the chosen ones, making others immature or simply idiots, not understanding the inquisitive brightness of Spanish mind.

Soooo, let's hear now inventiveness of Iberian's minds about the thread subject.
Spain was under a dictatorship for 40 years too. Autarchy included. We were isolated from the rest of the world.
Yes, but now for whatever reason you have changed the point of the thread. This thread was about economics related with language. Germanic vs Latin. I already said that Greece is not a Latin country. I already said in Liberia they speak english. In Qatar and Kuwait they speak arabic. Finland also non-germanic. There are lots of factors in the economy of a country, and language is not one of them. It's basic 101 Economics. Pointless thread.
 
I see that you've completly ignored my references to the germans/english football hooligans (among others comments). How convenient. :)

It's a hopeless exercise, ^Lynx^. Most of the non-Iberians posting on this thread have some sort of childish agenda, are mentally disturbed, or just don't get it. The thread may have been initiated by a well-meaning person, but the topic is a non-starter. Of course, the thread has been taken completely off the track. I'm hardly surprised.
 
I see that you've completly ignored my references to the germans/english football hooligans (among others comments). How convenient. :)

geez lynx, give me a break. I would say that hooliganism is same in both countries. I'm not well informed in this subject anyway, but it took me only 5 seconds to find materials on Spain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism#Spain

So what was your point, hooliganism doesn't exist in Spain?
How could Spain have a problem?

The other of your post with links to posts. None is trying to explain the economic difference, most were proving that difference doesn't exist. Now that should make you think. All the world is wrong, you are right again, hmmm.
Try again.


Lynx, I've never seen so many derogative posts, slandering Latin America in my life. Most of them in Eupedia come from you.
Actually I never read anything bad against Iberia here, till you attacked and insulted Latin Americans. No wonder they started posting here in their difference. Actually I have a very good image of Spain and Portugal and consider them a great countries. So take what I say about all of this as coming from an impartial observer, and pull you conclusions accordingly.
 
hahahahahahahaha you surely were for 40 minutes in google-image searching for "temperamental spanish hooligans in FIFA WC" and all you could find is an article in the WIKIPEDIA. hahahaahaha

Lynx, I've never seen so many derogative posts, slandering Latin America in my life. Most of them in Eupedia come from you.

Actually I never read anything bad against Iberia here, till you attacked and insulted Latin Americans. No wonder they started posting here in their difference.

OK. I got feed up with your BS and your preconceived ideas about me. Welcome to my IGNORE LIST.
 
Spain and Portugal have come a long way in the last 30 years, particularly Spain. Both countries were ruled by paranoid, closed-minded dictators for many decades and suffered terribly on a number of levels. Despite crippling political legacies, The two Iberian states have developed dramatically. There are still a number of mountains to climb but I wouldn't bet against Spain or Portugal.

Here we go, good stuff. Long dictatorship is a valid reason why Iberia is delayed economically compared to top GDP per capita countries in Europe.
 

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