European Common Language - The Poll

What is your choice for a single European language?

  • English (top 10 world languages)

    Votes: 32 47.8%
  • Spanish (top 10 world languages)

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Portuguese (top 10 world languages)

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Latin

    Votes: 12 17.9%
  • Esperanto

    Votes: 4 6.0%
  • German

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • French

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A new hybrid

    Votes: 14 20.9%

  • Total voters
    67
I don't understand what you mean by English being in a sense "regarding cultural and scientific use, English is an awful choice - ". Can you explain because you make no sense.

Rathel tried to describe it pretty well. I sometimes look at it as a descriptional language. It does not clearly state what needs to be said, but somehow hovers the subject while never trying to come down on it.

Bible God and examples alike. I agree that it is perfectly understandable to a proficient English speaker, but that is exactly the problem. It needs to be understandable to a non-proficient english speaker when he hears it for the first time. Every 5 year old can learn what 'blood' and 'orange' is, but deciphering what 'blood orange' is would be a hard task for it. Not to mention what he would get out of it, once he thinks he got it - a duck car (for taxi), a water mellon (for an eggplant)...

It simply sounds to me like a language Friday from Robinson Crusoe speaks - "Me like eat. Food taste good. You good cook." I'm not sure if you get this right, but that's my impression.
 
"Bible God" is perfectly understandable to a proficient English speaker.

Robert,
of course this is understandable, and I uderstand this type of construction very well.
But this is understandable, not because of mening the words, but feeling about them.
If you take only this two words, thay describe only two (or more) separate subjects.
Meaning is hide in order of words but not in the words themselves. So, if some one
does not feel this construction, he will not uderstand, because words are telling
nothing exept enumerating couple of things. For you this is obvious whiat it means,
becose this is your language, but try to compere this with others, or look deeply in
the written words, and you see, what I am talking about. Bible God you understand,
but if I'll write... God Bible... what it means? :)
 
I know that English is a beautiful language with very well developed structure.

So you must have deep faith :)

It doesn't matter what you think. Languages are different. Better or worse.
Claiming, that this or this language is super, extra and whatever the best,
because this is my native language is very childlish... As I show you, it isnt
true, because even aenglisc was better - and you even yourself show us
a fine example of that. So, be adoult and face the facts :)
 
It simply sounds to me like a language Friday from Robinson Crusoe speaks - "Me like eat. Food taste good. You good cook." I'm not sure if you get this right, but that's my impression.

Ike, great thanks!
I didn't know how to show this, but you find the way :)

.....

Johannes,
I asked you, how many new words can you created form my nick in english.

You are english teatcher, and you couldn't answer.

I'm not specialist of polish, but I can give you a sample right from my memory.
So, in fusinal languages, as for example slavic languages you can get:

retel
retelek
retelik
reteluk
retelak
retelok
retelczyk
retelczak
retelczuk
retelski
10
retelowski
retelicki
retelol
retelcze
retelno
retelow
retelnik
retela
retelka
retelica
20
retelsko
retelisko
retels
retelo
retelista
retelencja
retelacja
retelacz
retelicz
retelic
30
retelaczka
reteliada
retelada
retelita
reteladło
retelal
retelalka
retelnia
retelalnia
retelnictwo
40
retelnik
retelanka
retelina
retelówna
reteowa
retelowy
retelarz
retelarek
reteler
retelerz
50
retelianin
retelant
retelańczyk
retelranka
retelaczka
retelownia
retelew
retelewizna
retelewszczyna
retelizna
60
retelewsko
retelewsk
retelowsk
retelko
retelkon
retelon
retelman
retelizm
retelas
retelasek
70
retelasiuk
retelat
reteluś
reteliczek
retelu
retelic
retelić
retelowic
retelec
retelowiec
80
retelata
retelawa
retelaw
retelca
retelawca
retelawka
retelostwo
retelawstwo
retelaż
retelę
90
retelątko
retelnik
retele
reteli
retelba
retelca
retelech
retelcha
reteloch
retelochal
100
retelcho
re(tel)chol
retelcia
retelciciel
retelcie
reteliszcze
retelcizna
retelacja
retelactwo
retelczy
110
retelczyni
retelda
reteladło
retelidło
reteldziej
retelec
reteleczko
reteluszko
reteliszek
retelisiek
120
retelisz
retelach
reteluszek
retelel
retelańczyk
retelijczyk
retelownik
retelacja
retelowanie
retelcze
130
retelszcze
retelszczyzna
retelskie
reteleniec
reteleń
reteleństwo
reteleria
retelalka
retelerka
retelistka
140
retelniczka
retelowaczka
reteluszko
reteluszka
reteljerka
retelijka
retelawstwo
retelęga
retelała
reteliciel
150
retelidło
retelier
retelin
retelino
retelinka
retelyna
reteliś
retelisia
retelcio
reteliszek
160
retelitwa
reteliwo
retelia
retelela
retelog
retelogini
retelożka
retelessa
retelictwo
retelnicz
170
retelnicza
retelniczka
retelniczy
retelny
reteloba
retelocha
reteloć
retelcin
retelówek
retelowo
180
reteloł
retelor
retelość
retelot
retelota

And many, many others, basic roots... in nominative...

Now Johannes, multiplay this by two, because all of them can miss second "e".
so, lets say that it is possible only 180 multiplay by 2 it is 360 possibilites.
Now every one of this sufixes can create new word with everyone of them,
so you have 360x360 = 129600 words, and this new words can do the same,
so you mast next time multiplay this by 360 and so one...

But this is not the end!

Every one of them you can combine with hundrets of prefixes... lets say for our needs... 150.

129600x150=19.440.000 words...


But this is not all yet...!!

You can multiplay all of this by tens of suffixes of verbs and adjectives to create new verbs and adjectives...

And you can combine word retel with other words by couple ways...

Np.
retelomania
wilekoretel
reteliskok
skoczyretel
a.s.o.

And with all of them we can do the same, as with basic word in the list above...

So from one word, you can create trillions of new words...

So, tell me, how english isnt primitive, if rethel is only one... :)
 
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Languages are mostly devolving than evolving. We can observe what happend with Latin and
Slavonic. This languages were more advanced than present day romanic and slavic languages.
They maybe had fewer words, but their language-structure was more advanced.

This is very fine exemplar.
As I can see, in aenglisc were minimum two form of pronoun in plural in first person.

nominativ: ure
genitiv?: urne

In present version you have only one: our.
The same with "your".
"Thy" and "thou" dosn't exist any more exept KJV :)
þu, þin, ðin - compare to your....

So which one is more primitive and which
one more developed in that particular case?

p.s. Johannes, how do you read this ferst version?
As it is written, or maybe, as normal english text? :)

For example "rice": riike or rays?:LOL:

You have not learned what I tried to teach you -- that you need to use more accurate adjectives when describing something! Why do you use "primitive???" How can an educated man like you use ridiculous adjectives like "primitive" when describing a modern and very important language? English is not more primitive compared to "aenglisc", OK? "Thy" and "thou" are still used but only in religious texts or if you write a poem. Nothing has changed only what is practical is in use. English and American people are very pragmatic. They don't use words that are unnecessary anymore for normal usage. This does not mean they are regressing or "devolving." It's just not necessary to use "thy" and "thou." (If you want to pray to God or if you want to write a poem to your sweetheart, use them, otherwise there is no need to use them in everyday language).

The Old English Text is read as it is written with Old Germanic pronunciation and tone. For example, "rice" is pronounced as "rike" not like "rice = ryz." But you need to know how Old German was pronounced otherwise it will cause confusion and you might read it wrong (as a modern version). If you want to blame someone for the confusion it caused non-native English speakers blame it on the French. They only use "q" and "c" to pronounce all "k" and "c" sounds and they don't pronounce "e" at the end of many words (many but not all). I always tell my students that Engish is a mixed language and they need to know what is German and what is French/Latin.

I don't understand where you are coming from. You seem to want to prove somethng that needs no proving at all. All you need to do is memorize the words that are hard for you to understand and you will be OK. I know English has a problem with pronunciation of words and can cause confusion. For example, tire: "tire" is a word that means a round wheel of a car or a carriage. But when you use "tired" it has a different meaning (need to rest or sleep). In old English it was written as "tyre and tyred". The "y" was used to differentiate the "i " sound from the "e" sound. But it was changed (I wished it was not). Another example is "where" and "were". Where is used as a question to find a direction (where is Boston); while "were" is used as a plural for "was" (we were going to the market). But all is basically the same as Old German. OK?

Again just because English might be difficult for you to learn does not mean its weird or primitive. Be patient and learn it. Period.
 
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Rathel tried to describe it pretty well. I sometimes look at it as a descriptional language. It does not clearly state what needs to be said, but somehow hovers the subject while never trying to come down on it.

Bible God and examples alike. I agree that it is perfectly understandable to a proficient English speaker, but that is exactly the problem. It needs to be understandable to a non-proficient english speaker when he hears it for the first time. Every 5 year old can learn what 'blood' and 'orange' is, but deciphering what 'blood orange' is would be a hard task for it. Not to mention what he would get out of it, once he thinks he got it - a duck car (for taxi), a water mellon (for an eggplant)...

It simply sounds to me like a language Friday from Robinson Crusoe speaks - "Me like eat. Food taste good. You good cook." I'm not sure if you get this right, but that's my impression.

First of all Rethel speaks poor English and I suspect you might as well. However, English is a Subject-Verb-Object language, just like all Indo-European languages. "Bible God" is a poor example because you need a verb to make sense of it (Bible is about God or Bible talks about God or Bible is God). If you ask a native Englsih speaker what is "Bible God" he will think you are a foreigner or ignorant person. You always need a verb in English. "Blood Orange" is a poor example to use on children. It makes no sense. There is no connection between "blood" and "orange", so why use it??? "Watermelon" is good: it means: a "melon (fruit) that has a lot of water." I don't see what is the problem here. The reason why you think English is aweful is because you are not a native speaker. Period. If you think English is a language that sounds like Friday talking to Robinson Crusoe, then I am sorry, but I cannot argue with you -- find someone like Rethel -- he will argue until the end of time. :LOL:
 
Why do you use "primitive???"

I allready explained it to you.

How can an educated man like you use ridiculous words like "primitive" when describing a modern and very important language?

As you see... it is possible... only you don't want understand on puropse what I mean by this word... :)

English is not more primitive compared to "aenglisc", OK?

You gave yourself an example with "our"!
Where are these two or three other forms?
If aenglisc is not conviced to you - compere
english to pragermanic or plattdeutsch.

"Thy" and "thou" are still used but only in religious texts or if you write a poem.

But this is arcaic, and no one teach this.
Normal speaker probably even doesn't understand this words.
When I first time saw this words in text, 1) I couldn't find what they mean in dictionaries, and
2) I was shocked, that such usefull words, are not useing - but everything is "you" and "your".
So: thou and thy a.s.o. - it is good kind of language, but only "you" - this is primitivism.
I don't belive, that you do not see this.:rolleyes:

So they don't use words that are unnecessary for them.

The reason does not change the result. :grin:

This does not mean they are regressing or "devolving."

Ofcoure not, because you said so... :)

It's just not necessary to use "thy" and "thou."

But this "not necessary" I called primitivism. :)

Some tribes have no need for more that one numeral.
By your way of thinking, language without numbers,
is the same advanced language, as this one who has
centysilion numbers... because if there is no need for
using something from prctical causes, that does not
mean, that language is primitive... right? :)

The Old English Text is read as it is written with old Germanic pronunciation and tone

(y)

But I subconsciously had in mind regular english-speaker.
For example, when you are giving aenglisc texts to your
students, how they read this? :)

If you want to blame

I'm only curious :)

You seem to want to prove somethng that needs no proving.

I do not want prove anything, because there is no need for prooving, as you said.
Rather you want to contradict something, that is obvious, and for what you yourself
give prooves. From my side, I can tell, that present day polish is more primitive than
old polish or oldslavonic. We losed aoryst, dualis, some past tenses, ó, rz, h, ł, vowel
length, some interesting words... and now we are loosing vocative... but, if you really
want, you can still use some of this quantities... some of them are still aceptable (like
thy and thou) but some could be not understand by regular speaker. So, present day
polish is a little more primitive than his predecessors... old polish... or praslavonic.

That means, that this is devolution, not evolution.

Another example is "where" and "were".

Do exist (still) a difference between "w" and "wh"?

Again just because nelgh might be difficult for you to learn does not mean its werid or primitive.

You are still not talking about the same, about I am talking or Ike - and what we mean is so obvious... :rolleyes:
I think, that you are doing this on purpose, because this is impossible, that you didn't get it yet... :unsure:
 
Ike, great thanks!
I didn't know how to show this, but you find the way :)

.....

Johannes,
I asked you, how many new words can you created form my nick in english.

You are english teatcher, and you couldn't answer.

I'm not specialist of polish, but I can give you a sample right from my memory.
So, in fusinal languages, as for example slavic languages you can get:

retel
retelek
retelik
reteluk
retelak
retelok
retelczyk
retelczak
retelczuk
retelski
10
retelowski
retelicki
retelol
retelcze
retelno
retelow
retelnik
retela
retelka
retelica
20
retelsko
retelisko
retels
retelo
retelista
retelencja
retelacja
retelacz
retelicz
retelic
30
retelaczka
reteliada
retelada
retelita
reteladło
retelal
retelalka
retelnia
retelalnia
retelnictwo
40
retelnik
retelanka
retelina
retelówna
reteowa
retelowy
retelarz
retelarek
reteler
retelerz
50
retelianin
retelant
retelańczyk
retelranka
retelaczka
retelownia
retelew
retelewizna
retelewszczyna
retelizna
60
retelewsko
retelewsk
retelowsk
retelko
retelkon
retelon
retelman
retelizm
retelas
retelasek
70
retelasiuk
retelat
reteluś
reteliczek
retelu
retelic
retelić
retelowic
retelec
retelowiec
80
retelata
retelawa
retelaw
retelca
retelawca
retelawka
retelostwo
retelawstwo
retelaż
retelę
90
retelątko
retelnik
retele
reteli
retelba
retelca
retelech
retelcha
reteloch
retelochal
100
retelcho
re(tel)chol
retelcia
retelciciel
retelcie
reteliszcze
retelcizna
retelacja
retelactwo
retelczy
110
retelczyni
retelda
reteladło
retelidło
reteldziej
retelec
reteleczko
reteluszko
reteliszek
retelisiek
120
retelisz
retelach
reteluszek
retelel
retelańczyk
retelijczyk
retelownik
retelacja
retelowanie
retelcze
130
retelszcze
retelszczyzna
retelskie
reteleniec
reteleń
reteleństwo
reteleria
retelalka
retelerka
retelistka
140
retelniczka
retelowaczka
reteluszko
reteluszka
reteljerka
retelijka
retelawstwo
retelęga
retelała
reteliciel
150
retelidło
retelier
retelin
retelino
retelinka
retelyna
reteliś
retelisia
retelcio
reteliszek
160
retelitwa
reteliwo
retelia
retelela
retelog
retelogini
retelożka
retelessa
retelictwo
retelnicz
170
retelnicza
retelniczka
retelniczy
retelny
reteloba
retelocha
reteloć
retelcin
retelówek
retelowo
180
reteloł
retelor
retelość
retelot
retelota

And many, many others, basic roots... in nominative...

Now Johannes, multiplay this by two, because all of them can miss second "e".
so, lets say that it is possible only 180 multiplay by 2 it is 360 possibilites.
Now every one of this sufixes can create new word with everyone of them,
so you have 360x360 = 129600 words, and this new words can do the same,
so you mast next time multiplay this by 360 and so one...

But this is not the end!

Every one of them you can combine with hundrets of suffixes... lets say for our needs... 150.

129600x150=19.440.000 words...


But this is not all yet...!!

You can multiplay all of this by tens of suffixex of verbs and adjectives...

And you can combine word retel with other words by couple ways...

Np.
retelomania
wilekoretel
reteliskok
skoczyretel
a.s.o.

And with all of them we can do the same, as with basic word in the list above...

So from one word, you can create trillions of new words...

So, tell me, how english isnt primitive, if rethel is only one... :)

Who cares how many times your name can be reproduced??? It is silly and useless. I don't even know what your nickname means. So I could not answer you. If you think that using words to mean many different or related things is more advanced than using an analytical method, then be my guest and use it. But it won't change nothing. English will be the dominant language of the future. So get used to it.
 
First of all Rethel speaks poor English and I suspect you might as well.
We definitely do compared to native speakers, but that is no argument. I bet you also drive much worse than F1 racer, but you can make a distinction between two cars. You don't need to consult Danica Patrick to tell you which of 2 totally different vehicles feels better on the road.


However, English is a Subject-Verb-Object language, just like all Indo-European languages. "Bible God" is a poor example because you need a verb to make sense of it (Bible is about God or Bible talks about God or Bible is God). If you ask a native Englsih speaker what is "Bible God" he will think you are a foreigner or ignorant person. You always need a verb in English. "Blood Orange" is a poor example to use on children. It makes no sense. There is no connection between "blood" and "orange", so why use it???

That's exactly why I used it. Because there is no connection, and it makes no sense, but it somehow has meaning in English.



"Watermelon" is good: it means: a "melon (fruit) that has a lot of water." I don't see what is the problem here. The reason why you think English is aweful is because you are not a native speaker. Period. If you think English is a language that sounds like Friday talking to Robinson Crusoe, then I am sorry, but I cannot argue with you -- find someone like Rethel -- he will argue until the end of time. :LOL:

We don't need to argue. That is my feeling about that language, and you can't change it. I just tried to explain it to you because you asked why. If you don't see it, I can't help it, I really tried my best to make it most coherent to you. BTW, I don't think English is awful, and never said that, but that it wold be an awful choice for certain usages (in the presence of other languages). English is perfectly fine, but there are other options that I like better.
 
Who cares how many times your name can be reproduced??? It is silly and useless. I don't even know what your nickname means. So I could not answer you. If you think that using words to mean many different or related things is a more advanced than using a more analytical method, then be my guest and use it.

So you really dont get it! Amazing.
Probably every one else on this forum who is reading
our disscusion already understad what I have in mind.
But you, lingust, dont... I'm shocked...

I showed you this time how many possibilites have other language - how many words can you create and give them meaning by your own.
In the place of retel you can put any other word, native or borrow, it doesn't matter. But from any word you can create millions new words.
That means, that language, who can do this, is more developed, and this one, who cannot do that, is more primitive.

But it won't change nothing. English will be the dominant language of the future. So get used to it.

This is very deep proof and mature answer :)
Somethink like: Why? Bacause. :)

is a more advanced than using a more analytical method, then be my guest

It was about possibilities of creating a new words.

But what is analitical method? Some think like that: John loves Mary

but when I write: Mary loves John, it means totally differt thing.

And when I write: Mary John loves or loves John Mary - that means nothing.


In fusional language, it is always very precize and almost always has meaning.

Jan kocha Marię.
Marię kocha Jan.
Kocha Jan Marię.
Kocha Marię Jan.
Jan Marię kocha.
Marię Jan kocha.

In russian the same:

Иван любит Марию.
Марию любит Иван.
Любит Иван Марию.
Любит Марию Иван.
Иван Марию любит.
Марию Иван любит.

Every construction has a meaning and in all cases means
exactly the same. There is no doubts: John loves Mary in
every cases. :) And we need for this only one vowel!

So which tounge is more usefull, developed, precise, rich,
clear, understandable and advanced? Analitic or fusional?:)


p.s. I remind you, that we are talking about this in context
"which language is better (as one language for all Europe)".
 
So you really dont get it! Amazing.
Probably every one else on this forum who is reading
our disscusion already understad what I have in mind.

But you, lingust, dont... I'm shocked...

I showed you this time how many possibilites have other language - how many words can you create and give them meaning by your own.
In the place of retel you can put any other word, native or borrow, it doesn't matter. But from any word you can create millions new words.
That means, that language, who can do this, is more developed, and this one, who cannot do that, is more primitive.



This is very deep proof and mature answer :)
Somethink like: Why? Bacause. :)



It was about possibilities of creating a new words.

But what is analitical method? Some think like that: John loves Mary

but when I write: Mary loves John, it means totally differt thing.

And when I write: Mary John loves or loves John Mary - that means nothing.


In fusional language, it is always very precize and almost always has meaning.

Jan kocha Marię.
Marię kocha Jan.
Kocha Jan Marię.
Kocha Marię Jan.
Jan Marię kocha.
Marię Jan kocha.

In russian the same:

Иван любит Марию.
Марию любит Иван.
Любит Иван Марию.
Любит Марию Иван.
Иван Марию любит.
Марию Иван любит.

Every construction has a meaning and in all cases means
exactly the same. There is no doubts: John loves Mary in
every cases. :) And we need for this only one vowel!

So which tounge is more usefull, developed, precise, rich,
clear, understandable and advanced? Analitic or fusional?:)


p.s. I remind you, that we are talking about this in context
"which language is better (as one language for all Europe)".

Oh, I wouldn't assume that if I were you.

The answer to your question is...English.
 
We definitely do compared to native speakers, but that is no argument. I bet you also drive much worse than F1 racer, but you can make a distinction between two cars. You don't need to consult Danica Patrick to tell you which of 2 totally different vehicles feels better on the road.

That's exactly why I used it. Because there is no connection, and it makes no sense, but it somehow has meaning in English.

We don't need to argue. That is my feeling about that language, and you can't change it. I just tried to explain it to you because you asked why. If you don't see it, I can't help it, I really tried my best to make it most coherent to you. BTW, I don't think English is awful, and never said that, but that it wold be an awful choice for certain usages (in the presence of other languages). English is perfectly fine, but there are other options that I like better.

Ok Ok Ok I think I understand where you are coming form. Yes "Blood Orange" can have meaning in English but it needs to be put into context or meaning. The way you put it had no context or relation or meaning to me. But if you gave me some background information then I would have understood. "Blood Orange" can mean the result of an explosion of napalm or atomic bomb or a morning sunrise or sunset. So if you use it in a sentence you need to have a connection. BUT you did not. You only gave the "Blood Orange" concept without any meaning or connection. Sorry but your example was very poor to make in the first place. You should have explained your thoughts or method. But now I see what you mean. Sorry for the criticism. Either way you can never use that kind of example with children because it will cause confusion. You need to explain to them what it means so they can understand.
 
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So you really dont get it! Amazing.
Probably every one else on this forum who is reading
our disscusion already understad what I have in mind.
But you, lingust, dont... I'm shocked...

I showed you this time how many possibilites have other language - how many words can you create and give them meaning by your own.
In the place of retel you can put any other word, native or borrow, it doesn't matter. But from any word you can create millions new words.
That means, that language, who can do this, is more developed, and this one, who cannot do that, is more primitive.

This is very deep proof and mature answer :)
Somethink like: Why? Bacause. :)

It was about possibilities of creating a new words.

But what is analitical method? Some think like that: John loves Mary

but when I write: Mary loves John, it means totally differt thing.

And when I write: Mary John loves or loves John Mary - that means nothing.


In fusional language, it is always very precize and almost always has meaning.

Jan kocha Marię.
Marię kocha Jan.
Kocha Jan Marię.
Kocha Marię Jan.
Jan Marię kocha.
Marię Jan kocha.

In russian the same:

Иван любит Марию.
Марию любит Иван.
Любит Иван Марию.
Любит Марию Иван.
Иван Марию любит.
Марию Иван любит.

Every construction has a meaning and in all cases means
exactly the same. There is no doubts: John loves Mary in
every cases. :) And we need for this only one vowel!

So which tounge is more usefull, developed, precise, rich,
clear, understandable and advanced? Analitic or fusional?:)

p.s. I remind you, that we are talking about this in context
"which language is better (as one language for all Europe)".

I do get it but you don't express yourself well-enough for me to understand you. You seem to be some uber-linguist who knows more than everyone but you have a poor command of English. I see you like more "poetic" or "fusional" languages, but English is fusional!!! It became more analytical because of a culture shift from literary to business or economics -- I don't know. Either way English is fusinal, its just that it uses a more analytical approach that makes it more "efficient" in business or administration? Have you ever read English poets and writers, such as, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Pope, Byron, Lawrence, or Americans, such as, Whitman, Dreiser, Emerson, Hemingway, Faulkner, and Capote??? These are just a few. Or how come English and American music and movies dominates the world??? All businessmen around the world use English. I have never heard of any complaints like you do. So how can such a "primitive" language be so "usefull (sic), developed, precise, rich, clear, understandable, and advanced" if it's so primitive like you state??? If you want to go back to the old days of using poetic expressions or Biblical metaphors for religion or any other linguistic style, then use Polish, Russian, or whatever other language you think is more "fusional", but if you want to do business in the world you need a pragmatic language. Thus English is the choice.

If I was your teacher I would give you a B- because your are bright but stubborn and do not fully understand English, and therefore your arguments can be erroneous. For example, John loves Mary/Mary loves John are perfectly understandable -- they mean the same thing -- the difference is in the subject order. Mary John loves has meaning but it needs to be put in Subject (Mary) -- Verb (loves) -- Object (John) order. If in Slavic countries it can be put in many ways then great. But it does not change anything. English is the best for Europe.
 
There must be a good reason we use English on Eupedia. There must be a super good reason whole world is learning English.
 
There must be a good reason we use English on Eupedia. There must be a super good reason whole world is learning English.

40 years ago sill in use was french.

Did this ment, that french was the best languge in the world? So why english now?

He did not change so much through last 60 years, really...

Did this mean that french should be one postulate language for Europe then? Why now would be worse?

The thread isn't about: "which language is most widespraed - so lets make him one language for Europe".

BUT: which language is the best for making him one for all Europe, for us, europeans, not whole world.

Do you see a difference?

Do you know Lebrok any other language than english in level C1-C2?
 
Ok Ok Ok I think I understand where you are coming form. Yes "Blood Orange" can have meaning in English but it needs to be put into context or meaning. The way you put it had no context or relation or meaning to me. But if you gave me some background information then I would have understood. "Blood Orange" can mean the result of an explosion of napalm or atomic bomb or a morning sunrise or sunset. So if you use it in a sentence you need to have a connection. BUT you did not. You only gave the "Blood Orange" concept without any meaning or connection. Sorry but your example was very poor to make in the first place. You should have explained your thoughts or method. But now I see what you mean. Sorry for the criticism. Either way you can never use that kind of example with children because it will cause confusion. You need to explain to them what it means so they can understand.

Thank you, thank you Johannes, you gave us next sample of english tounge poorness, and of this,
what I am talking about so long: words and union of words have no meaning - only reader is giving
them meaning when he read it. Because when you are writing only "blood orange" or "bible god" in
the words you have only mening of two sepatate subjects: "bible, god" and "blood, orange" - as Ike
was explaning to you - and he is of course right.

I do get it but you don't express yourself well-enough for me to understand you. You seem to be some uber-linguist who knows more than everyone but you have a poor command of English. I see you like more "poetic" or "fusional" languages, but English is fusional!!! It became more analytical because of a culture shift from literary to business or economics -- I don't know. Either way English is fusinal, its just that it uses a more analytical approach that makes it more "efficient" in business or administration? Have you ever read English poets and writers, such as, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Pope, Byron, Lawrence, or Americans, such as, Whitman, Dreiser, Emerson, Hemingway, Faulkner, and Capote??? These are just a few. Or how come English and American music and movies dominates the world??? All businessmen around the world use English. I have never heard of any complaints like you do. So how can such a "primitive" language be so "usefull (sic), developed, precise, rich, clear, understandable, and advanced" if it's so primitive like you state??? If you want to go back to the old days of using poetic expressions or Biblical metaphors for religion or any other linguistic style, then use Polish, Russian, or whatever other language you think is more "fusional", but if you want to do business in the world you need a pragmatic language. Thus English is the choice.

If I was your teacher I would give you a B- because your are bright but stubborn and do not fully understand English, and therefore your arguments can be erroneous. For example, John loves Mary/Mary loves John are perfectly understandable -- they mean the same thing -- the difference is in the subject order. Mary John loves has meaning but it needs to be put in Subject (Mary) -- Verb (loves) -- Object (John) order.

Johannes, you are very good in demagogy, but the case is different, tha you are talking.

Did I anywhere question that english is more widespread language? No.
so why you are talking about that? :)

If in Slavic countries it can be put in many ways then great. But it does not change anything. English is the best for Europe.

And this are this differences, which make one language better, and another worse.
And about this I am talking over and over again. In fusional language you don't
have such a situation, (or very rerly) when words means nothing, or you need
whole context for deciding what they mean. So, language who makes so many
confiusions in every sentence, isn't good language.

Btw, through millenia international languages were always complicated.
From greek to latin and german - every one is more precize than english.
I dont know how french, but I guess that too, because if he comes from
latin, he should have still more precize verbal useness than english...

And next thing - the facts, that you from childhood know english and he
is an international language, doesn't mean, that he is or must be the best.:)
 
Johannes, I gave you so many examples why fusional language is better than english.
In grammatical structure, in word formation, in precision of verbal useness, and some more.
And I am not a specialist at all... I am common user of fusional language, nothing more...

You, teacher - gave me nothing, what prooves, that analitical is better than fusional.

You only try talking over and over again, that I dont know
enough english, and that every languages are the same.
Very poor argumentation... or lacking of her at all...

So why do you think, that english is better?

Maybe this is the cause::)

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Oh, I wouldn't assume that if I were you.
The answer to your question is...English.

Don't know why you're pushing this, because it's obviously wrong. It's like apples and oranges. They don't even fall into same category.


There must be a good reason we use English on Eupedia. There must be a super good reason whole world is learning English.

Cause it's super easy to learn? Missing many complicated finesses which could make it more precise and delicate.
 
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Robert,
I forgot, about your samples, but they only proofed, what I and Ike are claiming. :)

Language, who is so unprecize and builts so unuderstandable senteces,
is primitv and similar rather to unary numeral system, than to advanced
complicated language, in which you can say exactly what you want to say. :)

This examples are showing, that such construcions are in the neandethal cave level :)
Simple enumerating words which have no meaning. You cannot of course understand this,
like a total daltonist cannot understand what is a colour. He thinks, that everything is ok,
because he can see everything as others... but he does not realize, that his seeing is not
the best, as it could be, and not so precize, rich and understandable as others seeing.
 

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