Is Europe Superpower?

5 must have secrets of production so that other countries must depend to their products, (must be have secret techology) in that england and France are quite good,
But USA CHINA RUSSIA are far ahead, (Israel is very good to that)

I can't think of any secret technology Russia and China have. Russia widely dropped out of leading technological research after the Cold War, still reaping the fruits of past days. And China's secret technology is largely comprised of stealing and plagiatism.

From my observation European cooperation in science and research is far better than in politics or sometimes even economy. I almost dare to say, on a global level, THIS is EU's greatest strength! When it comes to that, EU is still far ahead of, for example, China.
 
China's secret technology is largely comprised of stealing and plagiatism
I agree, they don't know how to make planes for example...

THIS is EU's greatest strength!
There are also social innovations, but yes, it makes us stronger (Project "ITER" for example)...
 
to be the energy provider of the europe gives russia gives strategical advantages. you could understand this during the ukraine (gas stealing) crisis. georgia could be nice alternative to ukraine also. russia would prefer multi-customer, instead of china.

nabucco is a european project to create an alternative route to russia-ukraine line. if it fails, it shows that they are looking for some better solutions.

although i accept the idea of importance of russia for turkey, loosing georgia means loosing the the gate of caucasia, and turkic countries for turkey.

Nabucco is idea of Bill Clinton administration, not European. Maximum possible capacity (in case of Iran participation) is 31 billion cubic meters of gas per year, without Iran just around 10-15.
http://gdb.rferl.org/869B10B3-ED9F-422E-9AFD-9A02AC2D4410_mw800_s.gif
For comparison:
North Stream - 55
http://visualrian.ru/images/large/625648
South Stream - 63
http://visualrian.ru/images/large/689347
When South Stream will be finished in 2018 through Ukraine will be transported only 5-10% of gas.
 
I can't think of any secret technology Russia and China have. Russia widely dropped out of leading technological research after the Cold War, still reaping the fruits of past days. And China's secret technology is largely comprised of stealing and plagiatism.

From my observation European cooperation in science and research is far better than in politics or sometimes even economy. I almost dare to say, on a global level, THIS is EU's greatest strength! When it comes to that, EU is still far ahead of, for example, China.

You could right to that,
But still Russia has the secrets of MIR and many space secrets,
and China makes expirements that are not anounced, At least 2 kinds of flew (whatever) came from china,
we don't know how their laboratories are safe, and what kinds of expirements they have,

remember what had happened when a ship, airplanes carrier was sold to china....
and how Turkish wanted to not allow it pass the narrows.


Europe's secret today are mostly in pharmaceutical, medicines, etc,
USA is promoting the myth of area 51 I think, an area that aliens etc...
Russia was promoting at least guys like zirinifski (whatever) of having super guns.
still secrets of Russian technology like Kursk submarine are sunk in the bottom of the sea,
while myths say about laboratories like area51 east of Urals,
China needs no myths, simply forbids you to go to many areas,
you need license etc, only that can allow myths to go on,

to understand more theory and practise have something that is more,
technologia and technognosia
technologia for example is computer,
technognosia is how to create a microchip,
how many countries have theory and work on computers, technologia
but how many have technognosia to produce a ram.

well we all know in theory how an anti-tetanic is made,
but how many of us can produce anti-tetanic,

remember the case of selling a disarmed air-carrier to china by Russians was considered not a sell of iron, not a sell of a ship, but a sell of technologia to become techognosia!!!!!.
 
Nabucco is idea of Bill Clinton administration, not European. Maximum possible capacity (in case of Iran participation) is 31 billion cubic meters of gas per year, without Iran just around 10-15.
http://gdb.rferl.org/869B10B3-ED9F-422E-9AFD-9A02AC2D4410_mw800_s.gif
For comparison:
North Stream - 55
http://visualrian.ru/images/large/625648
South Stream - 63
http://visualrian.ru/images/large/689347
When South Stream will be finished in 2018 through Ukraine will be transported only 5-10% of gas.


SOuth Stream is finished in Balkans, and gas could be transported by Ships,
simply Bulgaria anounced that stopes progress and plan,

Nabuco is never to be finished,

the only gas that is entered Greece until today is mainly by
Sonatrach.
Gazprom gave only 2,5 *10^9 m3 until today,
while Botas although promised 0,75 *10^9 m3 untill now few m3 passed.
 
You could right to that,
But still Russia has the secrets of MIR and many space secrets,
and China makes expirements that are not anounced, At least 2 kinds of flew (whatever) came from china,
we don't know how their laboratories are safe, and what kinds of expirements they have,

remember what had happened when a ship, airplanes carrier was sold to china....
and how Turkish wanted to not allow it pass the narrows.


Europe's secret today are mostly in pharmaceutical, medicines, etc,
USA is promoting the myth of area 51 I think, an area that aliens etc...
Russia was promoting at least guys like zirinifski (whatever) of having super guns.
still secrets of Russian technology like Kursk submarine are sunk in the bottom of the sea,
while myths say about laboratories like area51 east of Urals,
China needs no myths, simply forbids you to go to many areas,
you need license etc, only that can allow myths to go on,

to understand more theory and practise have something that is more,
technologia and technognosia
technologia for example is computer,
technognosia is how to create a microchip,
how many countries have theory and work on computers, technologia
but how many have technognosia to produce a ram.

well we all know in theory how an anti-tetanic is made,
but how many of us can produce anti-tetanic,

remember the case of selling a disarmed air-carrier to china by Russians was considered not a sell of iron, not a sell of a ship, but a sell of technologia to become techognosia!!!!!.

Well, as I already said, Russia is reaping the fruits of past days. It wouldn't be so far ahead in space craft and army technology if they wouldn't have invested to much money into it and did much research like 20 to 30 or more years ago. Today, there is hardly any technology taken over from Russia by other states. But on contrast, Western Europe is catching up very fast. And as I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, just because a nation doesn't produce much technology in a certain field, it doesn't mean it wouldn't be able to. Theoretically, EU could raise a huger and very modern army and launch new space crafts if it was interested and transfered the needed money into it. It has what you would call technognosia.

I don't give much credit to other conspiracy theories such as hidden mutant armies underneath of Siberia, technology from aliens found in New Mexico or robot warriors from China.
 
Well, it's quite simple.. The Europeans don't want a superpower, because that superpower uses force to poke their noses internally and externally.

Even today my call for communalism is proven to be right!
Within the EU zone trade is already at a too large scale!

People in Germany suffer from illness because cucumbers were produced in some other EU country, with infected manure.

Let every country produce it's own food.

And that's directly in contrast with the idea of a superpower!
 
Well, as I already said, Russia is reaping the fruits of past days. It wouldn't be so far ahead in space craft and army technology if they wouldn't have invested to much money into it and did much research like 20 to 30 or more years ago. Today, there is hardly any technology taken over from Russia by other states. But on contrast, Western Europe is catching up very fast. And as I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, just because a nation doesn't produce much technology in a certain field, it doesn't mean it wouldn't be able to. Theoretically, EU could raise a huger and very modern army and launch new space crafts if it was interested and transfered the needed money into it. It has what you would call technognosia.

I don't give much credit to other conspiracy theories such as hidden mutant armies underneath of Siberia, technology from aliens found in New Mexico or robot warriors from China.


well you may have a point to that,

France had a space project, Ariane i think was the name,
Satelites mostly are made in Sweden-Finland etc,

but lets see? parts?
who makes RAMS CPU today,
and from what material??
I heard about an earth(sand) that is only in China and is the main matterial of all computers in the world, I maybe am wrong, but????

Superpower does not mean many Nuclear, or missiles, etc,
Ebola virus can be more usefull than 000 of Neutral bombs !!!!!


on the other hand
you may have right,
many of the 'Secrets' could be 'far' and exaggerate,

i am not goin back to correct it,
just put out the china and about Russia hmmm its up to you,
I wanted mostly to put some rules on what kinds of fields a country can be Super power and in what can be just a power, Hope you understand my view, and about china, ...ok lets put it out of number 5
 
Well, it's quite simple.. The Europeans don't want a superpower, because that superpower uses force to poke their noses internally and externally.

Even today my call for communalism is proven to be right!
Within the EU zone trade is already at a too large scale!

People in Germany suffer from illness because cucumbers were produced in some other EU country, with infected manure.

Let every country produce it's own food.

And that's directly in contrast with the idea of a superpower!

well about cucumbers :grin:

All I know that is like bannanas and other fruits,
they are cutten at a lenght of 4-8 cm, and spay them with water and hormones,
in 2-4 days they reach sizes like that at market,

I know about water melons,
simply when we cut them in makedonia are white, and bitter like poison, (not even chicken eat them)
and when they are sold in Germany are red,
why?
cause market laws demand to be good for at least 4-6 days in market, and should be ready that,
so market laws demand to be cut at least 10 days before become mature,
travel for 2-3 days, stay in storage for 1-5 days with hormones, stabilizers etc. and then to be sold,
according the demands of the market, and should be 3-4 days in a market store,

think about bannanas,
 
Mzungu mchagga is right, science in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union received a huge amount of damage. Simply no one was interested in science and many talented people left post-Soviet space in 90s. But this does not mean that nothing develops. 20 years are gone already.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Glob...-to-ride-a-nuclear-powered-spacecraft-to-mars

Also I think Russia saved some advantage in nuclear energy and will go further. There is a project of waste-free nuclear power plant based on fast-reactor. It works on the waste of conventional nuclear power plants.
http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/03/17/russia-nuclear-power-yes-please/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_reactor
Now when the accident occurred at Fukushima many countries will froze own nuclear projects, or even cancel them. But not here.

New rocket from Angara family prepares to replace outdated rockets in 2012-2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angara_(rocket_family)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus-M
http://www.futura-sciences.com/fr/n...ur-russe-angara-pourrait-voler-en-2013_24491/

Network of satellite monitoring is almost ready
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

Slowly but steadily Russia creeps out of the pile of feces

There is partnership with European space agency, ESA using old Soviet Soyuz rockets for launching of satellites for the Galileo in French Guiana spaceport
https://rt.com/news/rocket-space-launch-kourou/
 
Problem of Europeans is that you guys do not act together and often shoved a stick in the wheels of each other. I read once that even in European space agency exist a some part of a feud between the French and German. This is reflected in the results. For example 10 years ago Galileo and Glonass were on the same stage of development, today Glonass is almost ready while Galileo project almost did not move.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/11/us-russia-sweden-glonass-idUSTRE73A1S320110411
 
Problem of Europeans is that you guys do not act together and often shoved a stick in the wheels of each other. I read once that even in European space agency exist a some part of a feud between the French and German. This is reflected in the results. For example 10 years ago Galileo and Glonass were on the same stage of development, today Glonass is almost ready while Galileo project almost did not move.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/11/us-russia-sweden-glonass-idUSTRE73A1S320110411

Well, Galileo is planned to be used in 2013-2014.
It's a civil system, that is more precise than GPS or Glonass.
At least Europe will be independent from USA and Russia.

And of course the Americans don't like it, and call it a "loser" project.
Just like the former Concorde project I guess.. :grin:
 
Well, Galileo is planned to be used in 2013-2014.
It's a civil system, that is more precise than GPS or Glonass.
At least Europe will be independent from USA and Russia.

And of course the Americans don't like it, and call it a "loser" project.
Just like the former Concorde project I guess.. :grin:

Any satellite systems primarily for military, secondary for civilian application. Even internet started as military programm of Pentagon. In civilian sphere is possible to use several satellite systems at the same time in devices for greater accuracy. In Russia nobody plans to abandon from GPS just because it's American. Contrary, in the civilian sphere will be used both.

Concorde was a great plane, why the it was canceled?
 
Concorde was a great plane, why the it was canceled?
-too expensive
-too polluting
-too old

For Europe, "Airbus" is the futur...

And "Ariane" isn't only French, this is an European collaboration...
 
http://www.nabucco-pipeline.com/por...xt?p_item_id=A297E805CEADAB20E040A8C002017939

the new time line of nabucco.

i insist on the idea that it is EU project, although it is also backed up by US. current supporters are, mainly, germany and france.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_pipeline

it is simple and easy, they want alternative gasline for their machine.


Nabuco is over, it was just a political pipeline so to stop south stream project,
my cousin was at Greece Turkey fiesta of Nabuco and worked for global development Banks,
Nabuco is a myth,
Turkey in Future will keep all Azerbaizan stock,
in Greece they laugh about Nabuco,
So many money to transport what?
simply modern engineers reject it,
It has a huge cost, and the quantities are little,
a few m3 of Gas and oil?

well the future is a new project soon you will learn about it,
when Greek crisis is over, or a war starts in Balkans,
Simply Greeks are not Selling their Gas,
Turkey is pressing Greeks and has casus beli in 12 miles zone,
that is why Greeks Germans and IMF are in mood to 'fight'

Not even 1 meter of Nabuco pipe line is set in Greece, while South Stream is almost finished,

Simply the connection among Greece and Turkey will be just to secure the xtra demands at a rush hour, or an alternate pipeline,
Turkey is more to grow industrial, and will absorve all Azerbaizan oil and gas,

if Greeks manage to kick away the Harvant politicians,
last votes had 45% no vote and 50% total white, bad and non vote,
then a new project Israel Cyprus Crete Greece Albani project will be.

Nabuco was a project of USA to stop Gazprom growing,
Gazprom can give cheap and enough gas,
while Nabuco dynamic is less at least 80-90% and 15% more expensive,

in a few years Turkey and Greece must find a treaty about Lycaonia oil and Gas,
Soon south Turkey will be the rich area of Turks,
the quantities that engineers are talking about are huge,

Soon Lycaonia Cilikia (Atalleia-Antalya, Myrsina-Mersin) will be the rich areas of Turks,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_HnhXQE8dE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8M-rJULXlo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dozs5AUiAQ&feature=related

things are simple,

Germans as old allies with Turks, are pushing a crisis in Greeks,

Turkey if 12 miles naval zone will be expand will lose billions of barels,
so all Bankers etc are pushing Greeks,

watch in 3rd video the oil among Bulgaria and Turkey,

there are huge quantities, but very expansive to drill them, cause are they are very deep.


Nabuco is not even 1% of these,
South stream passes from the central of Pontus eye area,

that is an old story known from 1968 whaen dictators were in Greece,simply if the oil stays in lands,then south Italy ALbania, Bulgaria Greece Turkey Cyprus Israel., can rebuild their economy and industrial eras return,

in Italy they know about that, but the northens are waiting to see,if they all agree to drill them then industrialization will move from North Italy to south, and south East Europe will overpass the north west Industrial,
remember hora, piri reis, etc ships were they search for oil????
why?
why turks hired a Norwegian ship to search Aeagean, and we had a 2 day warm time???

 

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