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    Indo-Aryans



    Brahmins of India are believed to origin from Aryans
    68% R1a1, 21% J2, 16% H1, 3.6% G2a
    H1 are local people... they probably represent leading cast before Aryan arrival..

    Cluster of Indus Valley Civilization site along the course of the Indus River in Pakistan is supposed to represent settlements of Aryans


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration

    distribution of haplogroup J2 matches this pretty well...



    core of Aryan civilization might have been J2 haplogroup

    we can also sea that G haplogroup also follows this spread imediatelly east to the J2 but it migrated north at some point in time... I think that have happened probably before Aryan invasion of India...the carriers of G haplogroup who stayed were likely assimilated into Aryan society... and were in that society making similar ratio to J2 as the one that we witness in nowadays population of Brahmins from India (1 G 2 carrier on every 4.4 J2 carriers)



    R1a is also present in place of Aryan civilization, but this might have been later spread, since it does not match the spread of archaeological sites.. although R1a is all over the place, so it can have got there both with Aryans and later...



    spread of R1a is related to later invasions of area by Scythians... in fact, spread of R1a matches pretty well settlement area of Indo-Scythians



    of course as last long lasting wave of invaders, Indo-Scythians might have heavily influenced genetic structure of Brahmins...

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    Yes it looks good congratulations ! Yes G2a3b1 is found in India in Brahman caste and the Kalash people of Hindu Kush are 20% R1a and 20 % G2a3b1 they are Indo Aryans ( they speak an Indo Aryan language)

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    Quote Originally Posted by willy View Post
    Yes it looks good congratulations ! Yes G2a3b1 is found in India in Brahman caste and the Kalash people of Hindu Kush are 20% R1a and 20 % G2a3b1 they are Indo Aryans ( they speak an Indo Aryan language)
    well, this was easy one, as spread of J2 did match exactly location of Aryan's settlements and as J2 does make up large part of gene pool of Brahmins...

    migration of Kalash is more difficult to explain...

    Kalash live in Chitral area of north west Pakistan (red area in first picture shows the part of north west province of Pakistan in which they live, while the position of province within Pakistan is shown on the second picture)


    it is where peak of haplogroup G is...



    The culture of Kalash people is unique and differs drastically from the various ethnic groups surrounding them. They are polytheists and nature plays a highly significant and spiritual role in their daily life. As part of their religious tradition, sacrifices are offered and festivals held to give thanks for the abundant resources of their three valleys.[3] Kalash mythology and folklore has been compared to that of ancient Greece,[4] but they are much closer to Indo-Iranian (Vedic and pre-Zoroastrian) traditions. [5] Nevertheless, Kalash people in their own traditions claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great's soldiers.[6][7]
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    The Kalash are known as indigenous people of Chitral, and their ancestors migrated to Chitral from Afghanistan in the 2nd century BC.[1] It is thought the Kalash descendants migrated to Afghanistan from a distant place in South Asia, which the Kalash call “Tsiyam” in their folk songs and epics.[1]
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    A genetic study published led by Firasat (2007) on Kalash individuals found high and diverse frequencies of :Haplogroup L3a (22.7%), H1* (20.5%), R1a (18.2%), G (18.2%), J2 (9.1%), R* (6.8%), R1* (2.3%), and L* (2.3%).[34] Haplogroup L originates from prehistoric South Asia[35].
    Kalash people are puzzle... they have legend of migration from place named Tsyam in south Asia and also of originating from armies of Alexander Macedonian (which might be a clue about ancient Macedonians being G2a (and R1a) afterall).. this could be origins of different parts of their gene pool... do we know exact branches of their J2 and G?

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    Quote Originally Posted by how yes no View Post
    well, this was easy one, as spread of J2 did match exactly location of Aryan's settlements and as J2 does make up large part of gene pool of Brahmins...

    migration of Kalash is more difficult to explain...

    Kalash live in Chitral area of north west Pakistan (red area in first picture shows the part of north west province of Pakistan in which they live, while the position of province within Pakistan is shown on the second picture)


    it is where peak of haplogroup G is...





    Kalash people are puzzle... they have legend of migration from place named Tsyam in south Asia and also of originating from armies of Alexander Macedonian (which might be a clue about ancient Macedonians being G2a (and R1a) afterall).. this could be origins of different parts of their gene pool... do we know exact branches of their J2 and G?
    Good job again ! The Kalash seem to be a lost Indian or future Indian tribe lost in the Hindu Kush their religion is clearly Vedic their speak an Indo Aryan language not Greek yes for the tourists who come to see them it is better to talk about Alexander so this is a good legend but I don't believe it .

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