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bah@ iapetoc
I'm sorry if I insulted you. But it is useless for both of us to argument with each other. We're far off topic.
These are you own words:
And I think you're right. Kurds have a different origin than Greeks, because Kurds have far more I & R1a (28.5-44.5 % - Iraq Kurds-Turkey Kurds) haplogroups, but slightly less r1b (8-17 % Turkey Kurds-Iraq Kurds) haplogroup than Greeks (in genereal). They share some j2 (7-28.5% - Turkey Kurds-Iraq Kurds) and Greeks have much more e1b1b.
e1b1b %
Greeks = 21 %
Iraqi Kurds = 7.5 %
Turkey Kurds = 2.5 %
Autosomal analysis is not only related to your own Y-DNA or mtDNA but to your paternal-grand mother's mtDNA or your maternal grand-father's Y-DNA too...this means that it includes all of your ancestors and not only your paternal or maternal ancestry.Which haplogroup in Kurds is South Asian? Maybe they do consider r2 as South Asian. kurmanji Kurds in North Kurdistan have very much r2, but r2 can also be found among peoples of Caucasus and East Iranians, like Tajiks...
What's your problem with the Kurds? Do you think that Kurds occupy your (or Armenian) homeland or something?and besides what is your problem with greeks?
except if you really are a kurd but the person I speak about,
Have you ever seen Kurdish MtDNA???Autosomal analysis is not only related to your own Y-DNA or mtDNA but to your paternal-grand mother's mtDNA or your maternal grand-father's Y-DNA too...this means that it includes all of your ancestors and not only your paternal or maternal ancestry.
What's your problem with the Kurds? Do you think that Kurds occupy your (or Armenian) land or something?
Have you ever seen Kurdish MtDNA???
But again, which haplogroup in Kurds is South Asian? Can you answer me this question?
If you ask me which haplogroup in Greeks is African, than I give you a straight answer and say it's E1b1b. And that's much more than 10%. Greeks are much much more African than Kurds South Asian...
You don't get it, do you? Autosomal analysis in Dodecad project scores 10% South Asian for Kurds even if you don't like it... it is something that is obvious in phenotype of Kurds and Europeans easily detect this forreign influence almost with the first look."For both mtDNA andthe Y-chromosome, all Kurdish groups are more similar to West Asians than to Central Asian, Caucasian, or European groups, and these differences are significant in most cases. However, for mtDNA, Kurdish groups are all most similar to European groups (after West Asians)"
"Richards et al. (2000) suggested that some Near Eastern mtDNA haplotypes, among them Kurdish ones from east Turkey, presumably originated in Europe and were associated with back-migrations from Europe to the Near East, which may explain the close relationship of Kurdish and European groups with respect to mtDNA."
http://ww.kurdis.net/files/Kurds.pdf
South Asian my @ss...
You don't get it, do you? Autosomal analysis in Dodecad project scores 10% South Asian for Kurds even if you don't like it... it is something that is obvious in phenotype of Kurds and Europeans easily detect this forreign influence almost with the first look.
Even your strong I2a1b-Din is propably a founder effect...
"For both mtDNA andthe Y-chromosome, all Kurdish groups are more similar to West Asians than to Central Asian, Caucasian, or European groups, and these differences are significant in most cases. However, for mtDNA, Kurdish groups are all most similar to European groups (after West Asians)"
"Richards et al. (2000) suggested that some Near Eastern mtDNA haplotypes, among them Kurdish ones from east Turkey, presumably originated in Europe and were associated with back-migrations from Europe to the Near East, which may explain the close relationship of Kurdish and European groups with respect to mtDNA."
http://ww.kurdis.net/files/Kurds.pdf
South Asian my @ss...
There're different so called pseudo scientific dodecad projects. This one says soemthing different than your example.
http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2010/12/structure-in-west-asian-indo-european.html
Lol, the high blue component distinguishes Kurds from both Iranians and Armenians/Turks is NOT South-Asian, but West Iranic component. This is how I understand it. But these kind of pseudo-scientific dodecad projects are pure nonsense anyway.Read carefully
The high blue component distinguishes Kurds from both Iranians and Armenians/Turks. Iranians have slightly more of it, suggesting a somewhat closer relationship. The difference between the small Dodecad Turkish sample and the Behar et al. one is suggestive of heterogeneity within Turks, so it is important to be aware of this. Hopefully, if more West Asian individuals join the project, we will be able to discover patterns of regional variation between and within different ethnic groups.
The Jews are millions but they suffer from multiple founder effects too. For example haplogroup Q that is 5% in Jews is beleived to be a founder effect that happened around 800 CE...if the founder effect in Kurds is older than 800 CE (propably it is much older) then it has enough time to grow and include 10-15% of Kurds.And founder effect? We are not talking about a small population, but about millions of people!
I don't think it's the case. Jews are from the Middle East, that's why q is alien to them and to other peoples from the Middle East. Jews are Semitic. Hg q is not Semitic but Turkic. That's why people consider q in Jews as a founder effect. And that's ONLY 5%, 5% ain't no 20% !The Jews are millions but they suffer from multiple founder effects too. For example haplogroup Q that is 5% in Jews is beleived to be a founder effect that happened around 800 CE...if the founder effect in Kurds is older than 800 CE (propably it is much older) then it has enough time to grow and include 10-15% of Kurds.
Dude, I do really appreciate everything what you're doing for the Kurds on this forum and other forums. But sometimes you act like a child. I stopped playing such childish games when I stopped visiting the kindergarten!Goga I assume you and this KurdishAryan joke have a connection. And I highly doubt that you are a Kurd. A Kurd would never show such a ridiculous map claiming kurdish being derived from Middle Persian. Try to behave yourself in better manners.
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