well garick and to all of you
we have a big E concentration in continent greece from south until kossyfopedio (kossovo-kossova) to north, mixed with big J2
with lingua approach we have enough but early homerick (100 -300 years after homer)
but also many other,
I gonna put my 3 possible solutions
1 is the approach mycene-mysian-moesian (probably 4 maken-to ->makedo)
according that the E from lydia had alliance with Troy and then stayed in mysian and then to moesia, and because i know gegs get married only gegs stayed in high retraction, and arbanitet just add a 10% to Greek E-V13,
that can expain a many turkish words via Hetit,
BUT MAYBE TURKISH PAS WHEN ISLAMIZATION DONE AT 1500 AD
IF that is correct then we have the approach by Greece,
If we look first cyprus habitation is 10 000 BC
probably a connection via ly and car leads to greece,
the possibilty that, that times people were nomads, maybe via cyprus pass to cilykia to lydia (maybe mistaken lybia) to peloponese (corinth-carinth) and from there via inland until dardania,
it is one approach but low E-V13 in minor asia especially south does not makes it correct,
so we go by sea
3a) via cypruss
3b) straight from africa,
3a) via cyprus is maybe a solution cause cyprus means copper in greek, cypruss also connected with midlle east J2, probably an Egyprian and a Phoenician
but from what i know
in Greece there were 2 civilizations before,
1 cyclades cycladetic civilization
4000 BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclades
mysterious object is that of the Cycladic
frying pans. More accurate archaeology has revealed the broad outlines of a farming and seafaring culture that had immigrated from
Asia Minor ca 5000 BCE.
modern scientist connect them with phoenician lebanese culture, but not total,
it was a J2 civilization clear,
but south was crete,
in crete we know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87b5bHxDrps&feature=related
that until the union under 1 king we had many wars and invasion,
also in crete we know that a big bargain was among cyprus and Egypt and Hetits,
also that palaces were build with an architecture probably Libyan, and areas like ΣΗΤΕΙΑ Setia reminds us Egyptian god Set or the Adams son Seth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mythology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth
Also linear A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A
Though the two scripts – Linear A and B – share some of the same symbols, using the
syllables associated with Linear B in Linear A writings produces words that are unrelated to any known
language. This language has been dubbed Minoan and corresponds to a period in
Cretan history prior to a series of invasions by
Mycenaean Greeks around 1450 BC.
Linear A seems to have been used as a complete
syllabary around 1900–1800 BC, although several signs appear as mason marks earlier. It is possible that the
Trojan Linear A scripts discovered by
Heinrich Schliemann and one inscription from central Crete, as well as a few similar potters' marks from
Lahun,
Egypt (12th dynasty) come from an earlier period, ca. 2100–1900 BC, which is the period of the construction of the first palaces.
connection is more with lydia and etruscans,
watch stone
cretan la = stone
labrys the stone axe
labyrinth of gortyna a stone minning area
larissa either stone nose either stone minning (ris is nose but re- means flux re-o re-ma)
!!!! Lapithes a tribe lived north of Larissa south of olymp biten By Hrcules and went to south Illyria (today liapi-des) the Ali-pasa tribe,
Lapis the latin stone
mont Albani in Latin probably mont Lab-ani and change via time or new lingua
the cretan pre-greek language was similar to lemnos or troy,
close to phoenician but relative to Lydian or Etruscan as you Read
A NON IE LANGUAGE
But the aytochonus J2 almost >40% ??
probably made after the volcano of thera explosion,
But the E in south West cret Kydon and generally in the west were invansions were done by achaic and doric leads more that E came from peloponese,
THAT IS THE MOST CORRECT FROM ME,
E-V13 STARTED FROM SOUTH GREECE
AND INVADED AREAS
Reasons to believe
1. crete has no god Athena and bull worship and most J2 thracian
ithaka and peloponese had goddess Athena probably Neith or Tanit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neith
2 megalithic structures build in mycenae are 3500 or older
The big pyramid that can be seen from far away sea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZOOMmFKRk&feature=related
besides Mycenae and minyans and minoans maybe have a connection
example syllabic
ko no so = knosos (crete) also ko no = konos = pyramid
mi ko no = mycenae city or pyramid of mi
mi ny ia or mi ne ia sea city harbor ne-o means sail nafs the boat
or the other is maximum and minimum
meaning that mycenae was capital and the rest smaller kingdoms
3 Theba altough similar with egyptian thebes, has nothing to do cause named after greeks
but cadmus phoinix cilix europa???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus
The Greeks attributed the foundation of Thebes to Cadmus, a Phoenician king from
Tyre (now in Lebanon) and the brother of Queen Europa. Cadmus was famous for teaching the Phoenician alphabet and building the Acropolis, which was named the
Cadmeia in his honor and was an intellectual, spiritual, and cultural center. Archaeological excavations in and around Thebes have revealed cist graves dated to
Mycenaean times containing weapons, ivory, and tablets written in
Linear B. Its name in the local tablets, and in tablets found in Mycenae, was transliterated
TE-QA-I (TH Ft 140.1) understood to be read as *Tʰēgʷai (
Ancient Greek Θῆβαι
Thēbai), and
TE-QA-DE (MY X 508; TH Wu 65.a) for *Tʰēgʷasde (
Ancient Greek Θήβασδε
Thēbasde).
but also QA has to do with makedonian AIGAI GOATS AND AEGEAN PELAGO
now watch
Amphion married
Niobe,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphion
niobe may noibe -> nubian nubian is libya
that means that E-V13 was here at 2000 BC
or in case that niobe means nio-be niobia
means fresh woman or Swimmer
the above is wrong
the most to believe is that E-V13 has to do with 3500 when mycenae was build
now from theba start illyros an invasion
BUT
According to the
Library and Epitome of
Apollodorus, Illyrius was the youngest son of
Cadmus and
Harmonia who eventually ruled Illyria and became the
eponymous ancestor of the whole Illyrian people.
[1] Illyrius was specifically born during an expedition against the
Illyrians on the side of the
Encheleans.
[2]
According to the
Illyrian Wars of
Appian, Illyrius was the son of the
Cyclops Polyphemus and his wife
Galatea with siblings
Celtus and
Galas. The children of Polyphemus all migrated from
Sicily and ruled over the peoples named after them, the
Celts, the
Illyrians, and the
Galatians.
[3] This particular genealogy was most likely composed by the
ancient Greek founders of
Epidamnus (
Corinthians and
Corcyrans) and preserved in Appian's work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrius#cite_note-3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrius
Προς τα τέλη της ζωής τους, οι γονείς του Ιλλυριού, αλλά και ο ίδιος, έφυγαν από τη
Θήβα και πήγαν στην Ιλλυρία, έχοντας πάρει τη μορφή
φιδιών ή δρακόντων. Εκεί πέθαναν και εκεί ενταφιάσθηκαν. Τους «τάφους» τους, τους έδειχναν στους ιστορικούς χρόνους της αρχαιότητας.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ιλλυριός
Draco or Drago is serpent like creature that means the big chief
draco is the ruler of oligarchy system like goths law and also were these rulers are buried, each family has its own draco symbol,
according greek dracon also worshiped in palestine and athenes,
drago also is cursed graved of a Big warrior or king,
now according Greeks parents of illyrus went to illyria and until christianity their tombs were knowed and exhibit.
THAT MEANS PROBABLY BROUGHT FROM SICILY AT About 1800 BC
in that case E-V13 came from sicily and went south
I BELIEVE THAT E-V13 CAME AT 4000 - 3500 Via Sea by africa
and with J2 And R (IE) carriers create THE GREEKS
The difference of language has to do either with isolation or IEnism of Greece,
meaning that after illyrus went away theba Greece made a new language and dardano-illyrians make another with more thracian and latino roman
and turkish lingua enters at Kastrioti time when islamization enters
meaning that if legend is correct then
E-carriers came at 3500 Bc about and travell with J2 north to Illyria
or E-carriers came 1800 BC To illyria from sicelia and from there south.
the last possibility that i dont find with much % to be true
But that makes me WONDER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Eoy1RWF9A&feature=related
BALKAN PEOPLE KNEW TO WRITE AND BUILD BEFORE 6000 BC
then WTF IE language???????
thrasian language travel even britain, (42% similar greek)
And all the rest simply learn and carry thracian language!!! just thinking or wonder !!!
4. at 700-900 AD
there is mass genocide of Greeks by Orthodox christians from 476 to 1100 AD
from illyria to syria to egypt,
later islamization of north africa probably sent christians E-V13 from egypt to balkans
from orthodox Byzantines,
probably has to do that they opened space for african christians and exterminated Greeks as pagans, or with the arabs and normand in sicily
that expalines the allow to every arber defore even arber EXISTS
to inhabbit attica (emperor gave land only to christians)
state of arber 1190 AD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Arbër
but the support from arbanites to georgios maniakis Γεωργιος Μανιακης
as the 1 license to immigrate attica at 1080 Ad By Alexios A Komnenos
the 2nd at 1210 about by latins
probably migration with normands conguering south italy and push to New arber (old arber is in dalmatia) known history create mass movement,
But the lack of some E to Aimos peninsula makes me believe that is not correct
if someone can help me to that then ok
SO MY PREVIOUS BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE HERE WITH J2 FROM 3500 BC
Or came from sicilly at almost 1800 BC althought i m not convinced for the last
if anyone denies that christians genocide Greeks tell me to send sources, more than 10 000 000