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    I have moved the posts regarding Albanians into this separate thread:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthr...C-Macedonians)

    Also, let me issue a warning: the next one to post about Albanians in this Macedonian thread gets a real infraction.

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    Than It will be much worst if someone post about the greeks in the Macedonian thread I think !
    Although, Albanians and Greeks are certainly connected with the ancient Macedonians, anyway, I agree whith Taranis because it should not divert the topic to the lack of information placed on the ORIGIN of the Albanians and Greeks

    Everything what I've tried to post here, as a subject was the name Macedonians, and now I will try again (I hope that administrators will react if someone will try again to deviate the topic)
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    1. Natural history - Di Gaius Plinius Secundus,-Lodovico Domenichi-1573
    2. Dictionarium Latinohispanicum, Et Vice Versa Hispanicolatinum- Ad Haec ...
    3. Dictionarium Latinohispanicum, Et Vice Versa Hispanicolatinum Ad Haec ...
    4. Dictionarium Latinohispanicum, Et Vice Versa Hispanicolatinum Ad Haec ...
    5. Novum lexicon geographicum - Pagina 159
    6. Debora ("us" is latin suffix)- Dibra was mention by Plini - Novum lexicon geographicum? - Pagina 159 - Filippo Ferrari - 1697
    7. D. Paulus apostulus in mari, quod nunc Venetus sinus dicitur, naufragus, et ...-pag.CLXXXVII



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    Macedonia: Its Races and Their Future
    H. Brailsford
    ... of the races wich inhabit Macedonia today only the Albanians have any claim to be autochtonus


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    The genesis of the earth and of man, a critical examination of passages in ... By Edward William Lane, Reginald Stuart Poole


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    Can I proceed to post these kind of informations what are related to ancient Macedonians ?!
    (because the topic is about ancient Macedonians)
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    The book entitled "Ancient Greek and other Ancient Testimonies about the Unique Ethnic Distinctiveness of the Ancient Macedonians" contains testimony from more than fifty Greek and other ancient authors who clearly testified that the ancient Macedonians were not Greeks!

    Some of these authors quoted are:
    Arrian, Appian, Dexsipus, Demosthenes, Dicearhus, Caliphintes Dionysius, Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Dio Chrysostom, Diodor of Sicily, Dio Cassius, Eutropius, Eusebius of Caesarea, Aemolius Sura, Aeschines, Isocrates, Zosimus, Isidore of Seville, Johannes Malalaa, Flavius Josephus, Justin, Cicero, Quintus Curtius Rufus, Herodotus, Homer, Plutarch, Pausanias, Polybius, Claeneas, Claudianus, Clement of Alexandria, Marcus Veleus Paterculus, Cornelius Nepo, Praxagoras, Pseudo Scylax, Pseudo Scymnus and others.

    Authentic quotes from the works of these authors are given along with this author’s own comments.

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    of their ancient Country, destroyed by Vespasian, as they al-
    ledge.
    He likewise confutes their Opinion of their being descended from
    Frisius, Son to Clogio, King of France, and that his Posterity paid a
    Tribute of 260 Oxen to the French, as a Token of Homage, and
    thinks it rather true, that the French derive their Origin from the
    Freezlanders, according to Beatus Rhenanus and Adrianus Ju-
    nius.
    Then he attacks the Opinion of those who say, the Frison's are
    descended from Grunius the Trojan, the Builder of Groningen, and
    therefore writ them Phrysii, as nearer the Phryges their Progeni-
    tors, and at last tells us his own Sentiments, that Freso, the Foun-
    der of their Nation, with his Brethren Saxo and Bruno, came from
    an Indian Province called Benedicta Fresia ; where having served
    under Alexander the Great, and not daring to stay in the Coun-
    try after his Death took shipping with what they could bring
    off, and landing in this Country, called it Fresia, after his own
    Name.
    " This he insists upon at large in this Third Book, and thinks it the
    more probable, because the Story of Saxo, the Founder of the
    Saxon Nation, agrees with it. He says all Authors, Crantzius ex-
    cepted, agree. That the Saxons were some Remains of the Mace-
    donian Army ; and that before they came into Germany, they
    were called Macedonians ; for this he quotes the German Chronicle, printed at Mentz, in 1482. the Annals of Freezland, and others."
    His next Proof for this is ancient Rhimes, Constant Tradition,
    and the Universal Opinion of the Frisons, who have entertained it
    from Father to Son successively, and convey'd it to one another by
    Rhimes, a Custom, says he, which the most prudent Nations have
    made use of, as the readiest Preservative against Oblivion. He tells
    us moreover, that all the Freezland. Historians he hath seen, give
    their Suffrage this way.
    As a further Proof of this, he alledges, That the Frisons were
    constantly great Lovers of Learning, and therefore could easily pre-
    serve their Origin and Antiquities from Oblivion. He says also, that
    Freso, their Founder, was versed in all the Learning of the Greeks,
    and erected a sort of Academies in many places, where Youth were
    instructed in Learning, and the Art of War ; and that he erected
    one particularly at Stavren, near Stavo's Temple, and placed a great
    Library in the Temple it self.


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    The Works of the LEARNED,
    In the next place, he acquaints us, that both Frison and Saxon
    Historians agree as to Saxo, and that the People of Freezland,
    Saxony and Brunswick had formerly one and the same Language,
    and form of Government.
    Then he gives us an Account of the Arms of the Saxons and
    Frisons, from the Heralds Books, and says, that when Friso had
    the Defence of the German Ocean committed to his Charge, his
    Arms were in a blue Field, three Silver Bars, oblique from the right
    to the left, betwixt them 7 red Leaves of a Water Rose, 4 betwixt
    the Dexter and the middle Bar, and 3 betwixt that and the Sinister.
    These, says our Author, were the most ancient Arms of the Frisons,
    and prove that they were used by their Princes, Dukes and Kings,
    and that the 7 Leaves signified 7 Islands, into which Freezland was
    formerly divided. Saxo's Coat, he tells us, was also a blew Field,
    divided in the middle by a cross Line, from the right to the left, under
    the same, at the dexter Point, there was a Lion, and at the sinister
    Point a Dragon, their Heads almost joined, and looking upon one
    another, with a pleasant Aspect. In the upper part there was an
    Eagle flying with expanded Wings, looking upon them both. In this
    place, he confutes Crantzius, who says, that those are but New
    Bearings, and that Wittekind, Duke of Saxony, who was overcome by
    Charlemagne, carried in his Ensigns a black Colt, but when he turn'd
    Christian, changed it into a white one. He proves from Methodius,
    who is many Centuries elder than Whittikindus, that the Saxons in
    his time impressed a Lion upon their Coin. He observes, that
    Wittikindus was not King of the Saxons, but one of those twelve
    Princes (or Great Men) that governed Saxony by turns ; and there-
    fore bore the Arms of the Country, and not his own. He also quotes
    Wittikind the Monk, who in his 1st Book of Hatthagar, D. of Saxony,
    says, that when he encouraged his Men to Battle, he took up the
    Standard or Ensign (which they account Sacred) impressed with
    a Lion and Dragon, and an Eagle hovering over them, by which he
    would represent Fortitude and Prudence, and their Efficacy, and ex-
    press constancy of Mind by motion of the Body.
    In the rest of his Book he enquires after the Indian Fresia, and
    thinks it to be the Pharrasii mentioned by Curtius, beyond the Ganges.
    He pretends to trace Freso's Genealogy, as far as Shem, one of Noah's
    Sons, and gives an Account of the Travels of Freso and his Bre-
    thren, c. all which is submitted to the Readers Censure, it being ap-
    plicable to Antiquaries better than to any other fort of Men.
    ui bene conjecit Vatem bunc perhibebo optimum.
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    http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/cambrit/angsaxeng.html




    Sasa, Republic of Macedonia
    The village and surrounding mines were set up by Saxons, Germans, which settled north-eastern Macedonia in Middle Ages. The name Sasa originates from German Saxons, as Sasa means Saxon in Macedonian Language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasa,_R...c_of_Macedonia

    Sasa = Short form of Alexander (www.behindthename.com)

    Saxons known as Macedonians before - (Saxon=Sasa=Alexander) = Alexanders people or Macedonians = Same


    Ancient authors like Okolski say that the origin of these arms was in Saxony, and thus they are called Sas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sas_(coat_of_arms)

    Saxons
    http://www.traditionalwitchcraft.com/index.php?title=Saxon&printable=yes

    French Kings (Robertians, Capetians . . .) - Saxon origin? http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm

    History of The Franks
    The Franks provide the dynasty which can be seen as the first royal house of France. From them, in origin one of the Germanic tribes, the word France derives.
    http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab74


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    the above can be true,

    since Mercel create ministry of Greece and Fuhtel atThessaloniki

    that means that Saxons or SaSA people were Germans

    so Makedonians were Germans

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    HELLOOOO !!!
    Good evening people of Europe , i am new in the Eupedia :)

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    Im wathing you very carefully :)

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    Id love this Thread:Macedonians because i am one of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKD not FIROM View Post
    Id love this Thread:Macedonians because i am one of them
    are you sure?

    do you have any evidence/proof?

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    Cool Its my right to choose what i am and what i wont to be is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    are you sure?

    do you have any evidence/proof?
    Yes , I have , oops thats me :)))))))))0
    It is my right ok acording to UN documents ?!

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    Venet !! nice slavic ?

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    Macedonian Y-DNA :
    Noveski,Trivodalieva, Efremov 2006-09
    Y Haplogroup Macedonians
    E1b1b1a-M78 15.60%
    E1b1b1b-M81 0
    E1b1b1c1-M34 2.40%
    G-M201 3.80%
    H-M69 1.40%
    1*(xI1,I2a,I2b1)-M170 0
    I1-M253 1.90%
    I2a-P37b 27.50%
    I2b1-M223 1.90%
    J*(xJ1a,J2)-12f2 3.30%
    J2*(xJ2a4b,J2b)-M172 4.70%
    J2a4b-M67 2.80%
    J2b2-M241 5.20%
    L-M22 0.50%
    N1c-Tat 0.50%
    P*(xR1)-92R7 0.50%
    R1*-M173 0.50%
    R1a1-SRY1532 * 14.20%
    R1b1-P25 11.40%
    T-M70 1.90%
    TOTAL 100.00%
    *R1a1= M448=L122 M459 SRY10831.2=SRY1532.2 | M516=L120 mutations

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    1 out of 3 members found this post helpful.
    And this is Y-DNA from Albanians(25% of population Of R. Macedonia) in Macedonia:


    Noveski,Trivodalieva, Efremov 2006-09
    Y Haplogroup Macedonians Albanians Others Total
    E1b1b1a-M78 15.60% 28.80% 14.30% 19.80%
    E1b1b1b-M81 0 1.80% 0 0.60%
    E1b1b1c1-M34 2.40% 1.80% 0 2%
    G-M201 3.80% 2.70% 4.80% 3.50%
    H-M69 1.40% 1.80% 14.30% 2.30%
    1*(xI1,I2a,I2b1)-M170 0 1.80% 4.80% 0.90%
    I1-M253 1.90% 6.30% 0 3.20%
    I2a-P37b 27.50% 1.80% 0 17.50%
    I2b1-M223 1.90% 1.80% 4.80% 2%
    J*(xJ1a,J2)-12f2 3.30% 1.80% 0 2.60%
    J2*(xJ2a4b,J2b)-M172 4.70% 2.70% 9.50% 4.40%
    J2a4b-M67 2.80% 2.70% 9.50% 3.20%
    J2b2-M241 5.20% 13.50% 4.80% 7.90%
    L-M22 0.50% 0% 0 0.30%
    N1c-Tat 0.50% 0 0 0.30%
    P*(xR1)-92R7 0.50% 0 4.80% 0.60%
    R1*-M173 0.50% 0 0 0.30%
    R1a1-SRY1532 *moe podolu 14.20% 12.60% 4.80% 13.10%
    R1b1-P25 11.40% 18% 23.80% 14.30%
    T-M70 1.90% 0 0 1.20%
    TOTAL 100.00% 99.90% 100.20% 100.00%
    * M448=L122 M459 SRY10831.2=SRY1532.2 | M516=L120 mutations

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    And this is from Pericic et. 2005
    for Macedonians(ethnic)
    Pericic 2005
    haplogroups mutation Macedonians
    E3b* M35 0
    E3b1 M78 2.53%
    E3b1-a M78a 21.53%
    E3b2 M81 0
    E3b3 M123 0
    G M201 5.10%
    J M212 0
    J2e* M102 2.50%
    J2e1 M241 3.80%
    J2* M172 3.80%
    J2f* M67 0
    J2f1 M92 2.50%
    F* M89 1.30%
    H1 M82 0
    I* M170 0
    I1a M253 5.06%
    I1b* P37 29.11%
    I1c M223 0
    K*(xP) M9 1.27%
    R1b M173 5.06%
    R1a SRY-1532 15.19%
    Q* M242 0
    P*(xQ,R1) 92r7 0

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