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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias2 View Post
    vardaska macedonia or vardar macedonia does have a nice ring to it
    Vardarska Makedonija or Vardar Macedonia

    sounds as a good compromise to me... it keeps name Macedonia so that Macedonians from FYRM are not forced to change their self-identity... and it also suggest that it is a specific area within larger area called Macedonia...

    was it ever proposed by some of the sides in conflict?

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    I know greece is looking for a compromise but FYROM won't have any of it. There is another round of negotiations 9th of febuary in New York, maybe they will have a breakthrough.

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    the fact is that none of populations wants a war,
    except some stupid extra nationalists

    many years now FYROMians came at summer time here,
    the old time greeks went to ochrid and skopjie, (me 2 times)
    and only some stupids push the subject,

    but it is a problem. both people know that are different, but althought each blames or curses the other, NO kills no Terrorism (bombs) happened.
    only legal demonstrations, we live in peace,

    BUT WE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT
    our heroes are the devils for them,
    and also their heroes are the devils for us.

    and about ancient Makedonian Language look at

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychius_of_Alexandria


    the man wrote a lexicon before the problem,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias2 View Post
    vardaska macedonia or vardar macedonia does have a nice ring to it
    Vardarska Macedonia is probably better name than North or Upper Macedonia, but it is evident that a solution must be found, but nobody will be able to wait forever.

    The part of the problem is the current nationalist elites in Macedonia FYROM and they certainly has more flexible negotiators compared with the current.
    Last edited by Garrick; 21-01-11 at 03:05.

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    So what if Macedonia calls itself just Macedonia? Greeks are going to start a war to take the name away?!
    They start economic sanctions? There are so many countries to trade with these days. There would be no economic effect at all.
    I'll say take the name Macedonia, get over with it, and we have fewer stupid issues to discuss.
    If Greeks are playing hard ball, I'd call Macedonia "Greece Superior" or "Pikna Grecia" just to play a hard ball, and see what they would do. They would probably waste a year in parliament to figure out what to do with it, without a solution of course.

    I have Greek friends, and like Greece a lot, but this issue of Macedonia name is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    So what if Macedonia calls itself just Macedonia? Greeks are going to start a war to take the name away?!
    They start economic sanctions? There are so many countries to trade with these days. There would be no economic effect at all.
    I'll say take the name Macedonia, get over with it, and we have fewer stupid issues to discuss.
    If Greeks are playing hard ball, I'd call Macedonia "Greece Superior" or "Pikna Grecia" just to play a hard ball, and see what they would do. They would probably waste a year in parliament to figure out what to do with it, without a solution of course.

    I have Greek friends, and like Greece a lot, but this issue of Macedonia name is ridiculous.
    If you take that stance you are promoting more conflict in the balkans and not solving it.

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    My point was that the conflict for the name of the country is the most ridiculous of all. People in Greece should be smarter than this, and just let it go.
    For the time being people of Balkans are picking the smallest reason to divide and segregate than to find any to unite the Balkans.
    Other than that Greece should concentrate on solving big economic and social problems in Greece than dick around with who is worthy of Macedonia name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    My point was that the conflict for the name of the country is the most ridiculous of all. People in Greece should be smarter than this, and just let it go.
    For the time being people of Balkans are picking the smallest reason to divide and segregate than to find any to unite the Balkans.
    Other than that Greece should concentrate on solving big economic and social problems in Greece than dick around with who is worthy of Macedonia name.

    hmmm not well informed,
    1 if the ancient Macedonians were greeks, then? dissapear or slavoniazed?
    little stupid? you say that must be smarter,
    which smart can believe someone that say the old time the nation A is today nation B,
    it is different to say that in ancient times Turkey was inhabited by greeks,
    and different to say Greece is Turkey.
    Now about embargo etc,
    was done for 14 days and stoped,
    we didnot want to start hostilities,
    we believe in Freedom and not stupidity,
    Beside look at it as it has,
    A SERB IS SLAVIAN CAUSE HE IS SERB,
    A SLOVAK IS SLAVIAN CAUSE HE IS SLOVAK,
    A MAKEDONIAN IS A GREEK CAUSE HE IS MAKEDONIAN,
    A PONTIAN GREEK IS GREEK CAUSE HE IS PONTIAN,

    we are a nation that was shrunk and maybe today we still shrinking,
    But still have sub-nationalities,
    as you say the slavian Nations
    Also is the Greek Nations,

    the solution to let it be is not a good idea,

    2 about the economic crisis in Greece is due to Humanism, and Stupidity,
    every year millions of illegal immigrants enter Greece, cause of our laws and the face we look
    it counted that from 2001 until today 8 000 000 pass borders,
    today we feed free 2 000 000 islamic immigrants,
    1 200 000 albanians enter, but due to neighborhood, we decide to give them lisence to work,
    only the iraq people after USA invasion are 800 000 people,

    we are at the top of criminallity,
    BUT IF WE FAIL THE HALF BALKAN WILL FAIL,
    cause greek corporation own the 28% of Bulgaria, and today other 300 are going to open there bussines
    Greece own the 33% of FYrom Economy
    Greece owns the 18 % of romania economy
    Greece owns the 14 % of albania economy
    Greece owns the 14 % of georgia-osetia economy,
    imagine that if Greece collaps then Domino starts,

    Besides the God Ares-Marsh never left from Aimos penninsula,
    the theory after yugo-slavia Greece and then Romania and turkey is well known and we all know it,
    but is it worthy?

    soon oil wars will start,

    greece-albania for Vlore oil,
    Greece-turkey for aegean oil
    turkey- cyprus - israel for cyprus oil -gas (very big ubder sea)
    turkey bulgaria romania for dobritsa to kastamonu oil,
    montenegro albania for gold silver tellurium, and the oil of elbasan area.until dalmatia,

    why so much Army of UN for just human rights !!!!!

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    Iapetoc there isn't going to be any war.

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    I'm sorry but the only thing that makes sense in iapetoc posts is his avatar.

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    Hahahaha you like Ερατοσθενης?

    Eratosthenes
    he and ΑΝΑΧΙΜΑΝΔΡΟΣ were my favorite,
    besides i m bold

    Eratosthenes' measurement of the earth's circumference


    HE PROVED THAT PLANET EARTH IS A SPHERE


    centuries before Copernicus
    thank god they did not burn him in fire,

    Lebrok elias2 understood,
    Balkan was is and will be always a melting pot,
    in balkan is a very interesting oil area, but deep very deep,
    the time for corp to let it out has come,
    also the richest area in world fro tellurium metal, think what happened in romania with acid warm water poluttion, and you will understand.
    the same way there can't be 2 Popes of rome, the same way can't be 2 makedonia.
    about makedonia vardarska or upper makedonia,,,
    i dont know, politicians are on negotiations, lets see,
    the only double name i personally accept is slavic Makedonia.
    because the problem is not the place but the ethnicity, the nationality,
    they have their place we have our space,
    the nationality is the problem
    but is not for me to decide,

    Lebrok there is rumor that wants balkans to be 18 to 23 states,

    everybody here that lives in balkan knows it,
    elias2 must have heard,
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    I'm not sure if you write the way hard to make sense of, or you are using google translate, or just ADHD?

    Eratosthenes was a genius to admire. Though you should compare him to Columbus or Magellan who were trying to prove that Earth was round. Columbus, was lucky to discover America on way to India, or he would have died on his journey, lol.
    Copernicus was other genius, who first proved mathematically that Earth is not in center of our solar system, but the Sun is. Some people believed it was like this, some Greeks too, but nobody could prove it before Copernicus.

    Going back to Macedonia. The point is Greeks and Greek culture changed through millenia. You probably noticed that people in secluded villages in Greece look a bit different than Greeks in big cities, right? But Greeks want to be just Greeks, and not different name Greeks. Same with Macedonia. Their culture and people changed somewhat but they want to keep the same name. It's fair to all. Greeks are in Greece. Macedonian in Macedonia. Greeks and Macedonians changed in 3 thousand years of history.

    Anyway, don't you want a good friend at northern border? It's you neighbour and it is very important to have good relationship with you neighbors. Just let them have Macedonia name. What's more important, a good friend or Macedonia name?
    Have a good friend instead of a war for 9 letter word! What's more important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm not sure if you write the way hard to make sense of, or you are using google translate, or just ADHD?

    Eratosthenes was a genius to admire. Though you should compare him to Columbus or Magellan who were trying to prove that Earth was round. Columbus, was lucky to discover America on way to India, or he would have died on his journey, lol.
    Copernicus was other genius, who first proved mathematically that Earth is not in center of our solar system, but the Sun is. Some people believed it was like this, some Greeks too, but nobody could prove it before Copernicus.

    Going back to Macedonia. The point is Greeks and Greek culture changed through millenia. You probably noticed that people in secluded villages in Greece look a bit different than Greeks in big cities, right? But Greeks want to be just Greeks, and not different name Greeks. Same with Macedonia. Their culture and people changed somewhat but they want to keep the same name. It's fair to all. Greeks are in Greece. Macedonian in Macedonia. Greeks and Macedonians changed in 3 thousand years of history.

    Anyway, don't you want a good friend at northern border? It's you neighbour and it is very important to have good relationship with you neighbors. Just let them have Macedonia name. What's more important, a good friend or Macedonia name?
    Have a good friend instead of a war for 9 letter word! What's more important?
    Lebrok, it's not about the name, the 9 letters, its about territorial accusations based on said name by our northern neighbour. Just calling yourself macedonia monopolizes it and leads the way to claim land from Greece and Bulgaria. This is not Greek paranoia, they have rallies in skopje chanting "united Macedonia" as a slogan, and wave images in what they believe should be their country;








    It might seem like the bigger guy is picking on the smaller guy, but its the other way around. For years Greece has been trying to come up with a compromise but insted they give the cold shoulder. So who is being the good neighbour here now? A neighbour that promotes propaganda against the neighbour to the south or the country that wants to find a peaceful solution with the neighbour to the north?

    The atmosphere has only gotten worse since Kosovo was illegally stripped from serbia, totally ignoring serbias sovereign rights over its land by the big powers. Because of that event, it gave more steam to the "greater albania" and "greater Macedonia" movements, not to mention fuels the separation ambition of The Republic of Serbska from bosnia. Kosovo should never have happened, it was a bad example for the region. FYROM had a civil war in 1991 between the government and the albanian minority. They caught a van full of guns and ammo trying to come from kosovo into FYROM not to long ago by albanians and there was a firefight. If you had any brains, then you would guess this probably wasn't the first or the last van like this crossing the boarder into FYROM. You even have Hungary issueing passports freely now to its people living in neighbouring countries like Romania and slovakia making those governments very uneasy. These "greater Whatever" movements have to stop, if you support FYROM just having the name 'Macedonia' you arn't supporting peacefull negotiation in the region.

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    Peaceful solution about a name? I'm just talking about a name, not the territorial concerns. It's a big stretch from the name to land acquisition of other country.

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    LeBrok, its not a name,
    ITS AN IDENTITY,
    you lose an ID card, you get another,
    YOU LOSE YOUR NAME, THEN ........
    elias2 points correct,
    Before we Had Yugoslavia, A BIG STATE full of many ethnicities, 6-7 NAtions,
    look what happened,
    Today we bosnia, WE DID NOT CHANGE BORDES!!!! so bosna today is also 2 Nations,
    Today we have Kossyfopedio (kossovo-a) A Geografical state also 2 ethnocities,
    that is the 'divide and conquer' rulling model,
    Look where the British empire left,
    British India, today pakistan, india, Bagladesh, kasmir, sri lanca etc
    Look at Georgia at USSR time and today,
    ossetia, Abhaz, rest georgia next to chechen,
    if you let it be then it comes to your Head,
    i have friends in skopje, also serbia, bulgaria, BUT
    in Greece we say 'good deals, makes the good friends'
    meaning that only clear acts and words and pay proves who is your good friend,

    the fact is that for us they are what ever they like, except from us the Greek Makedonians,

    but for them? No, we are also makedonians as they, but we must split from Greece and unite with them, ......!!!!!!!
    HOW CAN THAT BE?
    TO CREATE ANOTHER YUGOSLAVIA????? To Create a new imaginary History?
    A new STATE with 4 nations? Greeks Albanians Bulgarians and Serbs!!!!
    HOW THAT STATE WILL STAND?
    In Bosna, Croatia, Serbia the Big problem was the religion, they have similar langauge,
    Serbo-Croat, dialects of a bigger lingua,
    But 1 is catholic 1 is muslim 1 is Orthodox, and they had wars,
    in kossovo-a was bigger, religion and language and national.

    how you can unite 3 religions 3 languages 3 nations in 1 state

    only for satisfaction of Romans geographers
    besides look at that,
    Your family name is also 10-15 letters,
    HOW WILL YOU FEEL WHEN SOMEONE FORCE YOU TO CHANGE IT?
    WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS THINK ABOUT YOU???

    that 9 letters its an Identification
    ,

    We are makedonians by blood and language,
    they are makedonians cause they live in an area of an ex-Ottoman Makedonia province,

    History never mentioned that Makedonians were Slavs, or they invated at 500 - 600 -800 AD.
    only propaganda found that invasion,
    So slavs want to create a nation in Balcans to prove what? that they were here before Serb and Bulgarian invasions? that they fight with Persian? hmmm thing about it, by having a slavian nation from ancient times simply you can claim the Peninsulla, and change History,

    so who are they, they are slavs (serb -bulgars) that want to create a new nation,
    they find proper to take the name after the (non owners) Turkish province of Makedonia
    ok
    BUT THEY MUST ADMIT IN THEIR CARTA OF INDΕPENDENCE (constitution),
    THEY DON'T CLAIM AREA AND NATIONALITY OF GREEK MAKEDONIA
    AND THEY ARE SLAVIANS,

    That is why i personally accept the name makedonia only with the determination SLAVIAN

    Lebrok if you lose your ID card then the thief can take your money, take loans from banks, drive your car, Travel with your name, etc
    THINK WHAT WILL HAPPENED, if we admit to that you say,
    1 we give up upon our ancestor lethal write,
    then history will write that alexander was slavian who came from kurgan etc

    BECIDES THE VIOLENT RAPE OF MAKEDONIAN HISTORY HAS STARTED,

    LOOK AT MONUMENTS, THEY WRITE MAKEDON WITH K
    LOOK AT THE STUPIDITY THAT FOLLOWS THAT YOU SAY I MUST ADMIT
    THEY WRITE MACEDONIA WITH C

    your Id card is 10-15 letters, why you don't give it away????

    WE HAVE NOT LOST OUR IDENTITY CARD UNDER 400 OTTOMANS OCCUPATION
    LOSE IT NOW????

    Nations as Persons also Have ID Cards

    LOOK At FIRST ORIGINAL ANCIENT MAKEDONIA



    LOOK AT ROMAN TIMES MAKEDONIA


    LOOK AT OTTOMAN MAKEDONIA



    IS IT THE SAME????

    NO WAY,
    NO NEED TO SATISFY THE OTTOMAN BY UNITE,
    ITS SIMPLE THEY WANT TO TAKE THE NAME AFTER THE OTTOMANS PROVINCE, OK
    BUT LET THEM MAKE CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T CLAIM LAND AND NATIONALITY

    BUT I STILL WONDER WHY SO MUCH PASSION WTH MAKEDONIA NAME,
    AND NOT PAEONIA,
    WHICH IS GEOGRAPHICAL CORRECT AND FREE TO USE AND NON GREEK (other nation) AND ALSO ANCIENT AND WAS In HETAIROI Companion

    Fyrom-ians ID is that
    1) a part was the ancients Paeonians (thracian tribe) that slavonized allies of Makedonian Kingdom

    2) a part of them was greek makedonians but slavonized

    3) a part of them where Romans that dwell area

    4) a part of them was serbians who lived or immigrate at the times of Stefan DUSAN of Serbia (capital Skopje)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_...A1an_of_Serbia

    5) a part of them was bulgarians who lived or immigrate at the times of Cymeon Of BULGARIA (Simeon)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_I_of_Bulgaria

    6) a part of them are slavians that immigrate at Ottomans Times

    7) a part of them were people that lived in Greek Makedonia at 1948 and change country to follow the Communist party, (a big child gathering by communist party was send to communist Yugoslavia just for political reasons)
    'The removal of children from Greece to countries of the Socialist States was another highly emotive and contentious issue. "About thirty thousand children were forcefully taken by the DSE from territories they controlled to Eastern Bloc countries" as described '
    Also rebels-soldiers from EL.L.A.S and N.O.F allies
    the total immigrations is estimated 70 000 people to Yugoslavia and from them 45 000 to Fyrom
    A total estimation of 150 -200 000 Greeks communist to all East Block countries

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_civil_war

    a small part of ELAS (comunists) lives even today in the areas was given to them By east Block
    another part returned back to Greece
    a 3rd part changed nationality and recognize them selves as macedonians,
    they mainly live in Australia, Fyrom, Serbia and other Diaspora areas,


    Their common memories, other from ottoman, other from WW1, other from civil war,
    as also the language they have, and the heroes they have, can surely bound them to a Nation
    But it is different with the Greek Makedonian nation,
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Peaceful solution about a name? I'm just talking about a name, not the territorial concerns. It's a big stretch from the name to land acquisition of other country.
    The name and the territorial concerns go hand in hand. Read my last post above more carefully (look at that giant sign more carefully in the pic I posted)

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    Lebrok watch carefully the down videos

    the Fyrom-ian view

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lqBsJvpfzM

    watch 2:09 min carefully

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpSzl...watch_response

    watch at 5:32

    Now watch the truth, Greek view

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB3AL...eature=related

    watch at 1:014

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjwEY...eature=related

    what Macedonians, simply they use the name that J B TITO gave them,
    and they are Bulgarians,

    THAT IS THE TRUTH,
    the old Russian way to exit to Aegean sea, from Catherine II of russia they wanted not to avoid Turkish Hellespont , and push Bulgarians to Aegean,
    watch the videos carefully,

    if you want more tell me to send you,

    Look their heroes all are Bulgarians
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAIqM...eature=related


    Look at this video, Fyromian Nationalism

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo47z...eature=related

    WHATCH CAREFULLY THAT, IT IS TRUTH
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhQA7...eature=related

    they change the name of the children so they cant find their roots,
    and turn them against greece.


    ONE OF THE BIGGEST CRIMES OF TITO, COMMUSTISTS ETC,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOiHq...eature=related

    watch carefully 7:13 min
    the True is that that Fyrom was build by Greekand Bulgarians claims to the region.
    Tito and communists grab the chance, and create something imaginary, which today is real,
    these people know that, and they live in a dream, of a home, their roots,
    some big guys promise them the Big Makedonia as in the map, but that is an imaginary country,
    so they don't know how to act, even who are they,
    and they create and live in the lie of Alexander was a slavian,
    How many people are they, lost in Slavian and communistic propaganda?

    As you see Even UN afraid to enter the search for the children,
    Why to make war with these people?
    Why to bring them more sorrow?
    then WHO IS BEHIND THE PROPAGANDA OF THE UNION???

    find out your self

    I know a man, very old,
    in 1978 find his sister in skopje, in1983 his brother in romania, and the same time his other sister in Skopje and his other sister in Australia
    he was lucky cause when gegs and NOF came and burn village he was out on the plains with the sheeps.
    from 1948 to 1978 .... 30 YEARS 30 000 tears

    J B TITO the Herod of 20th Century

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    No, it's just a freakin 9 letter name that they want to use.
    iapetoc, if we change your name to "whatever else" will you be a different person? Will your character change? Will your look change? You'll be exactly same person with same trillions of cells, talking the same things over and over on this forum.
    We won't be even confused who you are because you will tell us this in advance.

    The rest looks for me like one big national Greek paranoia.

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    thank you again Lebrok

    first you make a me slavian, now a paranoid
    thank you very much,
    tell them its 9 letters, not to use it,
    your car license plates is also some numbers,
    why don't you change them???

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    No, it's just a freakin 9 letter name that they want to use.
    iapetoc, if we change your name to "whatever else" will you be a different person? Will your character change? Will your look change? You'll be exactly same person with same trillions of cells, talking the same things over and over on this forum.
    We won't be even confused who you are because you will tell us this in advance.

    The rest looks for me like one big national Greek paranoia.
    LeBrok
    Paranoia exists, but but in a completely opposite side.

    Current Macedonian (FYROM) elite in a country that is in a difficult economic position find a solution how to distract.

    The campaign is "nationalism and antiquity".

    One can not believe in what turns Skopje, by 2014 it will be a city full of statues.

    Balkan Insight writes:

    "The government submitted its 2011 draft budget of EUR 2.6 billion to the parliament on Monday. In the draft capital investments are increased from 15 to 29 per cent to help the economy stay healthy.

    Although the details of the proposed budget have not been released, it is widely expected that significant portions of these funds will be directed at carrying out the controversial “Skopje 2014” revamp of downtown
    Skopje, which includes a number of massive statues."

    To solve life's questions has no assets but because statues are progressing at full steam.






    Antiquity is everywhere, in order to the present false image that todays Macedonia (FYROM) is same as Ancient Macedonia.

    Of course from such a policy is not surprising this demonstrations:



    These are clear territorial requirements for other states and someone can be quite logical to interpret taking the name of ancient state is for the purpose of these requirements.

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    I confess that I was unaware of such an effort. Without seeing that, I would have thought that any such claims, like those I mentioned, would have been restricted to outrageous claims of the pamphlet type or put into textbooks at most.

    I had no idea that so much capital was being directed towards building what amounts a whole infrastructure of a veneer to support their claims.

    Talk about an "opiate of the masses"

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    Waited to see what you fools should come up with and I guessed right - Political crap from the Serbs and Greeks that dont belong here, the tread discussions is about Y-DNA and history. The tread is already damaged and there is no way to start discussion about Macedonians history and DNA from ancient times to present in this tread.

    Spammed with propaganda and none discussions about facts only pure outrageous behavior. None of the crap you posted have anything to do with macedonians, their dna and history. This is the only tread that have nothing to do with it. Thats why I didnt bother to answer anything.

    And many here have already broken against the rules of the forum.
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    Close the tread or get a warning. New tread is needed to continue with the unsolved arguments. Maciamo its up to you to do your job now.





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    I'm so sorry that you misunderstood post.

    I quoted the website Balkan Insight, to understand, you should know what kind of site is it. Balkan Insight is very serious international site and not transmitted through anyone's nationalist propaganda.


    www.balkaninsight.com/en/static-page/balkan-insight

    "Balkan Insight is the leading news site covering the Western Balkans Region. Our correspondents are drawn from across the former Yugoslavia and Albania, Bulgaria and Romania and our site is widely regarded as the only source of balanced reporting providing copy in English to international journalistic standards.

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    Our writers include respected authors and commentators on the region, including Tim Judah, author of the seminal work on the conflicts of the 90s, 'The Serbs', Kenneth Morrison, Senior Lecturer in Modern East European History at De Montford University and author of 'Montenegro: A Modern History' widely recognised as the leading work on the subject, Matthew Parish, formerly the Chief Legal Advisor to the International Supervisor of Brcko, and author of 'A Free City in the Balkans: Reconstructing a Divided Society in Bosnia' and Marcus Tanner formerly the Independent's correspondent for the region and author of 'Croatia: a Nation Forged in War'.


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    Here you can read the full article:

    www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-should-freeze-monument-frenzy

    You can read more reviews of Macedonians and Albanians about such spending (in this and other articles of Balkan Insight):

    Dafina Trenkovska

    "Only in Macedonia the people live in poverty and the authorities throw millions on splendor."

    Post is fully in line with the theme as it comes to construction of ancient statues, ie. search links current elite in Macedonia FYROM with ancient Macedonia.

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    I really wonder, except of Alexander did they also make Slavian Aristotle?
    King Phillip II, or Olympias,
    oh God, someone must inform these people about trough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DejaVu View Post
    Waited to see what you fools should come up with and I guessed right - Political crap from the Serbs and Greeks that dont belong here, the tread discussions is about Y-DNA and history. The tread is already damaged and there is no way to start discussion about Macedonians history and DNA from ancient times to present in this tread.

    Spammed with propaganda and none discussions about facts only pure outrageous behavior. None of the crap you posted have anything to do with macedonians, their dna and history. This is the only tread that have nothing to do with it. Thats why I didnt bother to answer anything.

    And many here have already broken against the rules of the forum.
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    Nothing here is factual? everything here is factual, and yes we talk about history alot too. It's not the propaganda that you grew up with I give you that, it's the truth.

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