Macedonians

The origin of the Gordon clan in Scotland was not Gaelic. The Gordon clan is originally from Normandy, where their ancestors are said to have had large possessions. From the great antiquity of the race, many fabulous accounts have been given of the descent of the Gordons. Some derive them from a city of Macedonia, called Gordonia (Close to modern day Gevgelija).

http://www.houseofgordon.com/HISTORY.html
http://bydand.orconhosting.net.nz/page3.htm

Perseus' one son, Alexander, was still a child when Perseus was conquered by the Romans, and after the triumph of Aemilius Paullus in 167 BC, was kept in custody at Alba, together with his father. He became a skillful toreutes, learned the Latin language, and became a public notary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus_of_Macedon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba



One ancient title for Scotland, was 'Albania'.
The term derives from the Latin 'Alpine', meaning of course, 'high places'...etc, and was used commonly throughout the ancient world to describe mountainous regions.


The favourite Scottish order of battle somewhat resembled the Macedonian phalanx. Their infantry formed a compact body, armed with long spears, impenetrable even to the men-at-arms of the age, though well mounted, and arrayed in complete proof.
- Sir Walter Scott
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/scot...chapter15.html


The alternative Scottish flag:








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of their ancient Country, destroyed by Vespasian, as they al-
ledge.
He likewise confutes their Opinion of their being descended from
Frisius, Son to Clogio, King of France, and that his Posterity paid a
Tribute of 260 Oxen to the French, as a Token of Homage, and
thinks it rather true, that the French derive their Origin from the
Freezlanders, according to Beatus Rhenanus and Adrianus Ju-
nius.
Then he attacks the Opinion of those who say, the Frison's are
descended from Grunius the Trojan, the Builder of Groningen, and
therefore writ them Phrysii, as nearer the Phryges their Progeni-
tors, and at last tells us his own Sentiments, that Freso, the Foun-
der of their Nation, with his Brethren Saxo and Bruno, came from
an Indian Province called Benedicta Fresia ; where having served
under Alexander the Great, and not daring to stay in the Coun-
try after his Death took shipping with what they could bring
off, and landing in this Country, called it Fresia, after his own
Name.
" This he insists upon at large in this Third Book, and thinks it the
more probable, because the Story of Saxo, the Founder of the
Saxon Nation, agrees with it. He says all Authors, Crantzius ex-
cepted, agree. That the Saxons were some Remains of the Mace-
donian Army ; and that before they came into Germany, they
were called Macedonians ; for this he quotes the German Chronicle, printed at Mentz, in 1482. the Annals of Freezland, and others."
His next Proof for this is ancient Rhimes, Constant Tradition,
and the Universal Opinion of the Frisons, who have entertained it
from Father to Son successively, and convey'd it to one another by
Rhimes, a Custom, says he, which the most prudent Nations have
made use of, as the readiest Preservative against Oblivion. He tells
us moreover, that all the Freezland. Historians he hath seen, give
their Suffrage this way.
As a further Proof of this, he alledges, That the Frisons were
constantly great Lovers of Learning, and therefore could easily pre-
serve their Origin and Antiquities from Oblivion. He says also, that
Freso, their Founder, was versed in all the Learning of the Greeks,
and erected a sort of Academies in many places, where Youth were
instructed in Learning, and the Art of War ; and that he erected
one particularly at Stavren, near Stavo's Temple, and placed a great
Library in the Temple it self.


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The Works of the LEARNED,
In the next place, he acquaints us, that both Frison and Saxon
Historians agree as to Saxo, and that the People of Freezland,
Saxony and Brunswick had formerly one and the same Language,
and form of Government.
Then he gives us an Account of the Arms of the Saxons and
Frisons, from the Heralds Books, and says, that when Friso had
the Defence of the German Ocean committed to his Charge, his
Arms were in a blue Field, three Silver Bars, oblique from the right
to the left, betwixt them 7 red Leaves of a Water Rose, 4 betwixt
the Dexter and the middle Bar, and 3 betwixt that and the Sinister.
These, says our Author, were the most ancient Arms of the Frisons,
and prove that they were used by their Princes, Dukes and Kings,
and that the 7 Leaves signified 7 Islands, into which Freezland was
formerly divided. Saxo's Coat, he tells us, was also a blew Field,
divided in the middle by a cross Line, from the right to the left, under
the same, at the dexter Point, there was a Lion, and at the sinister
Point a Dragon, their Heads almost joined, and looking upon one
another, with a pleasant Aspect. In the upper part there was an
Eagle flying with expanded Wings, looking upon them both. In this
place, he confutes Crantzius, who says, that those are but New
Bearings, and that Wittekind, Duke of Saxony, who was overcome by
Charlemagne, carried in his Ensigns a black Colt, but when he turn'd
Christian, changed it into a white one. He proves from Methodius,
who is many Centuries elder than Whittikindus, that the Saxons in
his time impressed a Lion upon their Coin. He observes, that
Wittikindus was not King of the Saxons, but one of those twelve
Princes (or Great Men) that governed Saxony by turns ; and there-
fore bore the Arms of the Country, and not his own. He also quotes
Wittikind the Monk, who in his 1st Book of Hatthagar, D. of Saxony,
says, that when he encouraged his Men to Battle, he took up the
Standard or Ensign (which they account Sacred) impressed with
a Lion and Dragon, and an Eagle hovering over them, by which he
would represent Fortitude and Prudence, and their Efficacy, and ex-
press constancy of Mind by motion of the Body.
In the rest of his Book he enquires after the Indian Fresia, and
thinks it to be the Pharrasii mentioned by Curtius, beyond the Ganges.
He pretends to trace Freso's Genealogy, as far as Shem, one of Noah's
Sons, and gives an Account of the Travels of Freso and his Bre-
thren, c. all which is submitted to the Readers Censure, it being ap-
plicable to Antiquaries better than to any other fort of Men.
ui bene conjecit Vatem bunc perhibebo optimum.
erarbi



http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/cambrit/angsaxeng.html
 
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Oh my god, someone is drinking expired medicines, or radioactivity hurts mind,

it seems like Makedonians were Greek as Alexandros o Megas

But MC-Donaldians as Alexander Magnus came from planet Seirion or from Jupiter,

the first skopjie was probably in planet saturn
 
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Looks like Alexander was a medieval knite. :confused:
 
Alba was the name Gaelic speakers gave to the former kingdom of the Picts. The term first appears in the writings of Ptolemy and later, Albion in latin texts and it originally referred to all of Britain, not only Scotland. Alba is ultimately based on the IE root for white.

It wasn't until the Medieval period that the term Albania was used by Celto-Latin writers like Geoffrey of Monmouth, the term later passed into Middle English as Albany but was rarely used to refer to Scotland. Rather it is/was used mainly to refer to the Duchy of Albany, a peerage title bestowed on younger sons of the Scottish and British royal families.

I don't understand how any of this can be connected with the modern Balkan Albania or FYROM though, just because there is a similarity in a name doesn't always mean there has to be a connection.
 
Looks like Alexander was a medieval knite. :confused:

like Macedons were scottish and german aswell

Looks like nothing new on south.

The same old, same old lullaby Slav stories. :bored:

http://www.lebed.com/2008/art5375.htm

http://www.lebed.com/2008/art5386.htm

Except this dumb Slavs forgot to fake their genes so they can fit into the story. :useless:

http://korenine.si/zborniki/zbornik07/serafimov_tra07.pdf

http://www.korenine.si/zborniki/zbornik07/serafimov_ezer07.pdf

Again those damn Slavs spoke on their damned language when they should have not and where they should have not. :useless:

http://www.lituanus.org/1981_1/81_1_05.htm

Damn Slavs, they can't even be placed in their proper homeland. :useless:

No good slavs, no good for nothing not even as root of the word SCLAVUS.
:useless:
We made them (as this Fella's Curta and Simocata have well said) and they can't even be as gratefull as to listen to us. Ungratefull Slavs, damn dumb Slavs. :startled:

Although when you look at etymological deductions of their southern neighbours you begin to wonder what is dumber? :shocked:

CLUE: it's about PALEOLINGUISTICS stupid! :grin:
 
well
seems like someone is still dreaming, an d changes everything,

modern
R1a could be today
1) German
2) Slavic
3) Turkish

old R1a
1) Thracian
2) IE Greek


there are 3 R1a imported in Europe,
1) is the ancient, we don't know if came from steppes but we suggest so,
But the case of Thracians seems that ancient R1a came from middle east,
2) the case of Muceneans is still ubder discuss, but indicates to an ancient R1a although the case of R1b is not out of discuss,


As we have R1a Germanic branch
R1a slavic,
a possible R1a Turkish,
a R1a thracian,
MAYBE WE MAY HAVE A R1a GREEK

besides we Greeks we know that we are the sons of Pelasgians (NON IE) and the Driopes (IE) a arcado-cypriot E-V13 and a preexisted I in area (neolithic etc)

simply because we respect Slavic people,
that does not means that we are Slavs,
or we kneel to Slavic Nations,
we were always a unique no family Nation,
but we are relatives with many from ancient times,

Simply we are the MaKedonians,
and we are not the MC-Donaldians,

Besides with out recognising minorities Fyrom can't enter EU and NAto,
Fyrom today has many minorities,
the ex- communistic mafia wants to make all Bulgarians Serbs Albanians Greeks Aromani Turks Roma to be unite as fake Makedonians,
but Tito is dead, and the ex-closed behind curtain Yugoslavia is dead,
Truth every day goes more on light,
Even fyromians don't believe the story that Panslavic propaganda makers made in St Petersberg from the times of Great Peter (Petros o Megas)

History cannot change, no matter how many of you try.

Greatings from MAΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ to fake МАКЕДОНИЯ

Alexander knew Cyrillic before Cyrill :grin:

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

we are the ones that from 6th century Keep our languages and lands as far as we can
1 from slavic invasion and expasionism,
2 from Turkish and Ottomans

in past we were occupied by Romans Turks Serbs Bulgarians Albanians but we still are here,
to resist every new intruder,
From Monasterion to Crete
and from Epirus to Trebizond
 
Instead of rewritting the lectures of the 7-th grade schoolbooks you could actually have a look at the links that I gave you and give me some arguments instead of stories. There are not new R1a in Macedonian territory or in Sebia or in Bulgaria. That's your problem.
R1a cannot be German, nor Turkic nor Greek. People that have German, Turkic or Greek culture and selfidentity can belong to R1a haplogroup. That cannnot describe R1a as German, Turkic or Greek since it is not characteristic for tribes that lived on that territory. So if you belong to R1a yes you probably have Macedonian or Thracian ancestry though you have Greek selfindentity which is ok don't worry :).
About the Hellenic legacy in Greece. Jesus, you people are incredible. You claim Hellenic and Byzantine legacy at the same time though they are as exclusive cultures as one can imagine. As far as I can see you have legacy of your founding fathers which were influenced by the French revolution and later great influence by German panhellenism, which still causes trouble to you and to all neighbouring countries. Both are very far from what Hellenic and Byzintine cultures were about.
That's the two points I saw as worth commenting in your little story. The rest is a fairytale. But if it suits you, fine.
 
Instead of rewritting the lectures of the 7-th grade schoolbooks you could actually have a look at the links that I gave you and give me some arguments instead of stories. There are not new R1a in Macedonian territory or in Sebia or in Bulgaria. That's your problem.
R1a cannot be German, nor Turkic nor Greek. People that have German, Turkic or Greek culture and selfidentity can belong to R1a haplogroup. That cannnot describe R1a as German, Turkic or Greek since it is not characteristic for tribes that lived on that territory. So if you belong to R1a yes you probably have Macedonian or Thracian ancestry though you have Greek selfindentity which is ok don't worry :).
About the Hellenic legacy in Greece. Jesus, you people are incredible. You claim Hellenic and Byzantine legacy at the same time though they are as exclusive cultures as one can imagine. As far as I can see you have legacy of your founding fathers which were influenced by the French revolution and later great influence by German panhellenism, which still causes trouble to you and to all neighbouring countries. Both are very far from what Hellenic and Byzintine cultures were about.
That's the two points I saw as worth commenting in your little story. The rest is a fairytale. But if it suits you, fine.

Byzantine was not Greek, But GrecoRoman
it was East Roman Empire, that by time bacame more Greek Speaking,
Byzantines Slain Greeks in many places, but Byzantine also kept (but change a lot) Greek language, and Greeks had some safety
Yes Christianity F.. up Greeks, the last Genocides was against Athens at 900 AD

the case of Rigas and the French revolution is not why Greeks revolt,

Greeks revolt many times Before Francais, to Turks and Venicians,
Simply the French revolt, gave the dream that a revolt could succeed if well organised,
Greeks were preparing revolt for 50 Years from 1770AD until !821
indeed we are not the exact man that our Fathers were,
But many of us try to reach them.
At least we speak their Language, and some us are not christians but Pagans.

One Think is For SURE

Hellenism was not Slavicism or MaC-Donaldialism,
Byzantine was Not Greek but Protect some Greek Literature, and some Greek people,


BUT LOOK AT YOU,
you were liberated By SERBS,
YOU NEVER FIGHT IN WW1 the Turks
(Sandasky is Bulgarian Hero)

From 1870 your enemy is Greeks, cause they stop panslavism and mother Russia to expand to sea,

So who are you?
you never fight against Serbs,
you Never fight against Bulgaria,
You never fight against Turks

your only Fight is with Greeks and Greek History, cause they are the only ones that stop your expansionism.

well maybe we are equals of Ancient Greeks, but surely we not fake MaC-donaldians.
 
Besides Sclavini is another issue than Sklavos

search
Sclavini a nation from the north, (scloveni, Sclovaki, sclavonia)

Σκλαβος = εις Κλωβο Sklavos means in cage,
the first time that word is used is by Xenophon in Cyrus Anabasis, He describes how some Persian tribes used their slaves,
the had them in cages κλωβοι
εις κλωβο -> 'σ κλαβο σκλαβος
similar word εγκλωβισμενος εν+κλωβος.

yes we lost most of our Dare leaders by Romans, yes we lost most of our Philosophers by Christians,
but in Achaia wars workers fight, so today Greek farmers are on the lose,
who knows, maybe some of them are sons of ex Great leaders.
 
Hahahahahahaha

Latest news show that Fyrom after a huge statue of Alexander that cost more than 20 000 000 E
and a Phillip 2 one, total estimation 35 000 000 $
are about to change name

They are going to name Skopje to Alexandreia
I wonder if they also claim that the city was Build Alexander

and after that it is Dusan time
they will start a total Fyromianization of Dusan as continuer of Alexander
and they to rename him as Dusan of Macedonia !!!!!!!

just imagine Dusan of Alexandreia apogonus of Alexander!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe they also turn the name of Monastir to Boukafaleia
 
22 July 1943

at least 100 men killed in Athens and unknown in Northern Greece

The day Hitler 'gave' Greek Makedonia To bulgarians as Gift for Helping him

the total Number of Killed is unestimated,

we only know that in Riot in Athens at least 100 killed the first day
 
R1a in the Balkans and especially northern Greece and Fyrom is not of the typical Slavic type. Dienekes explains the detail ...

And what is there to explain? It is not the same. That's the explanation.
Now if you want to say that he explains WHY it is not the same, that's a different matter.
I just hope that we do not end up as the undiscovered dorians - the jewel of the hellenic people. :grin: We have allready heard similar stories from the Bulgarians. :LOL:
 
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22 July 1943

at least 100 men killed in Athens and unknown in Northern Greece

The day Hitler 'gave' Greek Makedonia To bulgarians as Gift for Helping him

the total Number of Killed is unestimated,

we only know that in Riot in Athens at least 100 killed the first day

I don't know what do you want to imply? If you want to expose Vanco Mihajlov as a genuine Macedonian fighter you couldn't be more wrong. He has so much Macedonian blood on his hands that it makes me sick to speak about him. By the way he never had truly any governing power in Macedonia, except in Pirin Macedonia wich is still under Bulgarian rule.
Let me ask you a question your teachers probably never spoke to you about. Why , in gerater measure than the rest of Greece the colaborators were given governance in the region of Macedonia? Why do you speak to me of the great Greek sacrifices in WW2 (which were great indeed) when the same people that were fighting and suffering under the Germans were fighting and suffering for a long period afterwards under you right wing government. Who do you represent? The Greek fighters that were chased all over the world (and still are) or the Greek colaborators that have written you such a sweetsounding history?
 
At least we speak their Language, and some us are not christians but Pagans.
No you speak Demotic, and even Demotic was too hard for the majority of the population back then.

One Think is For SURE

Hellenism was not Slavicism or MaC-Donaldialism,
Byzantine was Not Greek but Protect some Greek Literature, and some Greek people,
They wrote on koine. They had no intention nor did they protect anything Hellenic (note the Hellenic is not equal to Greek). Hellenism well that's a term which best suits the 18-th and 19-th century and it's a whole different story.

From 1870 your enemy is Greeks, cause they stop panslavism and mother Russia to expand to sea,

So who are you?
you never fight against Serbs,
you Never fight against Bulgaria,
You never fight against Turks

your only Fight is with Greeks and Greek History, cause they are the only ones that stop your expansionism.

well maybe we are equals of Ancient Greeks, but surely we not fake MaC-donaldians.

utter ignorance. If it wasn't for Russia in the 1870-1912 period you would have been what you should have always been proper Hellada. Read their diplomatic correspondance from 1902-1903 for example (it is publushed dont worry) and you will find many Macedonians (You complained that there weren't many in that period don't you???)

Since I hate repeating myself I will point you for further reading:
about the Macedonian rebelion from 1689 - thread: The case of Macedonia post nr. 173
about the Greek "liberation" of Macedonia - thread: The case of Macedonia post nr. 172
 
And what is there to explain? It is not the same. That's the explanation.
Now if you want to say that he explains WHY it is not the same, that's a different matter.
I just hope that we do not end up as the undiscovered dorians - the jewel of the hellenic people. :grin: We have allready heard similar stories from the Bulgarians. :LOL:

In several Balkan samples the frequency of R-M458 ranges between 0-12% which is at most a third of its maximum frequency, suggesting that the extent of Slavic admixture in the Balkans is upper-bounded by about 1/3. The complete absence of R-M458 in Italy and its sub-1% representation in Anatolia further support the idea that R-M458 in the Balkans is of medieval and later origins.

The samples from Greece (N=263), Macedonian Greeks (N=57), and Crete (N=361) have R-M458 frequency of 4.2, 8.8, and 2.2%. Assuming a frequency of R-M458 at 36.4% in ancestral Slavs, as in south Poland, the admixture estimates are 11.5, 24, 6%. These should probably be interpreted as upper limits (plus statistical margins) because the highest present-day frequency of R-M458 is probably lower than that in early Slavs.

Interestingly, the Slavs of FYROM have an R-M458 frequency of 3.8%, barely different from that of Greeks at large, suggesting that (i) the claims of some Greek nationalists that the Slavs of FYROM are newcomers to the Balkans are wrong, just as (ii) the claim of some FYROMian nationalists that they are markedly different from Greeks are wrong. The actual truth is that the Slavs of FYROM are largely of old Balkan (pre-Slavic) stock who adopted a non-Balkan Slavic language, just as the modern Turks are largely of old Anatolian (pre-Turkish) stock who adopted a non-Anatolian Turkic language. :cool-v:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/11/finally-structure-in-haplogroup-r1a.html
 

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