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[Christiaan]

Thank you how yes no for your response.

So a lot of hits in the baltics. (Kratta, Wadel, Hagge)

Hag: fence is possibly germanic

Hafa: pot could be afro-asiatic. A relic of the first farmers.

Most male words (weapons, hunting, agriculture, weather) are germanic.
But female words (little children, cooking , baby and garden) are often different of german. Is this a coincidence or does it represent a relic of an older population.



I can give some more special swabian words:

Zinka: nose
Beig: heap of wood
Häs: clothes

schira: put wood on a fire
triala: when a hildren eats, some food don`t find the way to the mouth
motza: little children play with dirt and water

helinga: silent
welaweg: probable

All this words are totally different of german.

Well, not only in the Baltics..., anyway Hagga might be indeed a celtic word. The underlined words are url's

Zorna= zerren.. ein Zürssel =ein Geflochtenes? something torned/binded
Hafa=?? Hafen, Kaffeehaferl(bavarian) =coffeemug
Wadel=wedeln, a waver=tail
Kratta= krat(dutch) and crate(English)... =(Gemüse/Bier)Kiste(high german)
hagga=hog (English)...now pig, but originally animals old enough for slaughter... celtic origin? or Germanic origin ...ophokken(dutch) =confinement, hok(dutch) ...= ein Viehpferch(high German)
Beig= bergen, berg, barg... it simply means heap to stock wood
Häs=hes(dutch, introduced by germans), but maybe related to the dutch word "jas"
schira= schüren(highGerman)... to stoke
triala=trullern(low saxon)in de Büxen trullern= to wet your pants...
helinga=verhohlen...verhehlen =so hidden/secret/silent
motza= modderen(dutch)=to mud, aanmodderen(dutch)=to muddle along
wellaweag= welcherweg=anyway

[geiserich]

Very good explanaton Christiaan. The most Swaban words are indeed probably germanic.
I give you some more examples.
Perhaps you can give me an explanation.

grom - gift, someone takes it home after a journey
gretig - angry because of too few sleep
goscha - mouth
ranza - body
boscha - hair
guller - cock
nula - find a solution of a technical problem with try and error
grumsa - child cries and doesn`t do what the mother want
gi - to example: gi Stuttgart - to Stuttgart

Hope you can help me

[Christiaan]

Very good explanaton Christiaan. The most Swaban words are indeed probably germanic.
I give you some more examples.
Perhaps you can give me an explanation.

grom - gift, someone takes it home after a journey
gretig - angry because of too few sleep
goscha - mouth
ranza - body
boscha - hair
guller - cock
nula - find a solution of a technical problem with try and error
grumsa - child cries and doesn`t do what the mother want
gi - to example: gi Stuttgart - to Stuttgart

Hope you can help me

grom=? Kram(stuff), Krempel(stuff), ...marktkraam(dutch for a marketstall)
gretig= grantig(bavarian), is probably not related with the dutch word gretig(eager), but with gretten " mnd. gretten (< *gratjan) ‘irritieren’, ohd. grazzo ‘streng’, mhd. graz ‘Wut’; < pgm. *grati- (nur West-Germanisch), das vielleicht verwandt ist mit → graat < pgm. *grata- (mhd. graz was soviel heißt wie ‘Wut’ und ‘Zweig’)." if twig(Zweig) is mentioned it might also be related to the word Gräte( fish bone)
goscha=hebrew word?
Ranza= ? Ranzen(schoolbag) the schoolbag might have been compared to a belly?. It has something to do with the torso that is for sure...
boscha =Büschel Haar, een bos haar (a "bush" of hair)
guller= gillen(dutch for to yell) so a crower? or related to the word Gockel(cock)...gackern(german for to cackle)
nula= (rum)nudeln(to "noodle" around), (rum)wurschteln(to "sausage" around, so being busy/clumsy as if making sausages or noodles?
grumsa= grämen(being sad), grämig(bad mood), grumpy(english)....grummen/grommen(german/dutch for to growl)
gi= gen Horizont (in direction of the horizon), ginder(dutch for: there, at that place)

[MOESAN]

interesting work to try to find cognates: I shall stay on general ground:
before looking for far foreign languages to explain dialects it is necessary to try the neighborhood languages of same recent origin even if looking farther is not a big sin...
to go back to the origin of this thread, I think Swabian people are close relatives to Alsacians and also to Alemannic people of Switzerland: a mixture where dominates Celts and Germanics - for the diphtongaison of 'I' these dialects are close to flemish and northern (scandinavian) dialects - considering it , there are far from the bavarian dialects -
I suppose their strong 'high-german' affiliation is due to proximity with Bavaria, Tyrol and Switzerland and their centuries influences - I think also a conflictual celtic vs rhaetic non I-E influence could explain the second consonnantael mutation (southern) in german language , that runs farther in high alemannic (South Switzerland- ) and Austrian-S-bavarian dialects where along with D>T (written) and B>P (not written) we find K>KCH or CH ('kind' > 'ching') it is to say the complete mutation - the could be a link between all these languages where consonnants keep unvoiced or become unvoiced contrary to the neighborhooh regions (Toscan, Hungarian, South-Germanic) - the first mutation could be better linked to more precise finnic-habits?
it recall me a dialectal phenomenon in welsh where the Morgannwg dialect pronounce unvoiced the normally voiced untervocalic stops of the celtic language (voicing and leniting is a dominent trait among celtic languages): hazard: this welsh region is an ancient silurian one -
just to enjoy pushing on the cork
good night

[geiserich]

Thank you Moesan for your response.

So the vast mayority of swabian words are really germanic.
Thank you.

But the celts must have left an impact here.

Do you think that the names of mountains and rivers and lakes are a better chace to find our celtic heritage?

[Taranis]

Thank you Moesan for your response.

So the vast mayority of swabian words are really germanic.
Thank you.

But the celts must have left an impact here.

Do you think that the names of mountains and rivers and lakes are a better chace to find our celtic heritage?

Celtic presence in Central Europe was already on the decline before 1st century BC, and when the Romans expanded their borders to the Rhine and to the Danube, what little was left of Celtic presence was absorbed by the expanding Germanic tribes from the north. A lot of place names disappeared due to the Migration Period. But, that is not to say, however, that there is no Celtic legacy at all. Here's some examples:

- "Breg" and "Brigach" (the two source rivers of the Danube), from Celtic *brig- ("high", "powerful"). Related with this, of course, is the town name "Bregenz" in western Austria.
- the "Naab" river (compare with "Nabia", a Gallaecian river goddess, as well as the Navia river in northwestern Spain)
- "Tübingen" and "Tauber" (from Celtic *dubo-, "black")
- "Zarten" (in the Black Forest) - Tarodunon
- "Kempten" (in the Allgäu) - Cambodunon

Incidentally, your own screen name is Celtic-derived (via Proto-Germanic mediation): "Gaiso-riχs" ("spear king")