The Laz

[Kardu]

I don't know if you've seen this or not but I found another interesting link on Armenian haplogroups:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/armeniadnaproject/default.aspx?section=results

Do you suppose that Armenians and Georgians have similar distribution of haplogroups?

The distribution is quite different:

Armenian

Georgian

 

[Kardu]

And BTW here are recent Laz results: L1b - 42%, J2a - 28%, G2a - 17%, J1 - 3%, R1b1a2 - 3%, E1b1b - 6%, I2a - 3%.

 

[Yetos]

And BTW here are recent Laz results: L1b - 42%, J2a - 28%, G2a - 17%, J1 - 3%, R1b1a2 - 3%, E1b1b - 6%, I2a - 3%.

kardu if you have the variations of G2a plz post.

I want to see how much common is with the minor asian G2a

 

[Kardu]

kardu if you have the variations of G2a plz post.

I want to see how much common is with the minor asian G2a

We will make haplotypes public some time in January/February 2013. Meanwhile I can tell you that many of them are Caucasus cluster G2a1a1

 

[LazuriYildirim]

I am Laz, tested R1b

We will make haplotypes public some time in January/February 2013. Meanwhile I can tell you that many of them are Caucasus cluster G2a1a1

I am of Laz ancestry, and recently tested R1b haplogroup. You are correct about the Mergel association. Turkey is very ethnically diverse in general- the area has many different 'tribes', they named everyone from Samsun to the east of the Country in the black sea region 'Laz' but not all of that population is 'Laz.' The name 'Laz' was a nickname given to this population by the ottomans. We consider the people who speak Laz language, which is very similar to Georgian and the same as Mergel language, to be Lazuri. The language is about 10% greek. We use the same city and town names as are used in Greek. The people who speak Laz/Mergel in Turkey are mostly concentrated from Ardasan to Sarpi.

Another population of Laz/Mergel speaking people exists in Russia. These people were unaware of a differentiation between Laz and Mergel.

In Sarp, where I am from, there is a wide variety of people. There are people who look very Irish, however my family with the R1b haplotype are not amung them. There are blonde people, redheads, freckles and blue eyes, as well as people who look more Greek or Turkish. We live next to the Black Sea, and about 5 miles inland is a population called Hamsin, who speak Armenian. That population, which lives within the Laz speaking area, has never really intermarried with Laz people until recently.

I would love to hear about other Laz genetics or any information which is available. I am no expert, but this is my understanding from having interest in this subject and searching as well as the knowledge I had while growing up.

 

[Kardu]

Thanks for your post!
Yes, we did test only Laz speakers with known Laz ancestry.
Through which company have you got your results?

 

[LazuriYildirim]

Thanks for your post!
Yes, we did test only Laz speakers with known Laz ancestry.
Through which company have you got your results?

It was the DNA ancestry project with Gene Bank. Do you have experience with others?

 

[Kardu]

I've been tested on FTDNA and 23andme (and the very first test was through National Geographic project in 2005).

We have a Georgian DNA project on FTDNA. Some Laz results will appear there in coming months as well.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/georgia/default.aspx?section=yresults

 

[LazuriYildirim]

Here is my information, from looking at the information you sent me in the link I was wondering if it looks like Giorgi Tavdgindze could have a common ancestor? I am new at this and I don't know exatly how to interpret information. Does that seem like a likley conclusion or how would you interpret this? Looking him up on wikipedia led me to a picture posing with several Laz people actually.

I spoke to someone just the other day who told me that Ellaz in rum (who are related to greeks) means 'greek', and that it seems likely that when the Ottomans came to the black sea region they nicknamed the people 'Laz' because the people chanted the word 'Elazus'
DYS19/394
14
DYS385a
12

DYS385b
15

DYS388
12

DYS389i
13

DYS389ii
29

DYS390
24

DYS391
10

DYS392
13

DYS393
12

DYS426
12

DYS437
15

DYS438
12

DYS439
12

DYS447
25

DYS448
19

DYS460
11

GATA H4
13

YCAIIa
19

YCAIIb
23

 

[Yetos]

I spoke to someone just the other day who told me that Ellaz in rum (who are related to greeks) means 'greek', and that it seems likely that when the Ottomans came to the black sea region they nicknamed the people 'Laz' because the people chanted the word 'Elazus'

I also heard that version,
and met many persons that carry that believe,

 

[Kardu]

Here is my information, from looking at the information you sent me in the link I was wondering if it looks like Giorgi Tavdgindze could have a common ancestor? I am new at this and I don't know exatly how to interpret information. Does that seem like a likley conclusion or how would you interpret this? Looking him up on wikipedia led me to a picture posing with several Laz people actually.

I spoke to someone just the other day who told me that Ellaz in rum (who are related to greeks) means 'greek', and that it seems likely that when the Ottomans came to the black sea region they nicknamed the people 'Laz' because the people chanted the word 'Elazus'
DYS19/394
14
DYS385a
12

DYS385b
15

DYS388
12

DYS389i
13

DYS389ii
29

DYS390
24

DYS391
10

DYS392
13

DYS393
12

DYS426
12

DYS437
15

DYS438
12

DYS439
12

DYS447
25

DYS448
19

DYS460
11

GATA H4
13

YCAIIa
19

YCAIIb
23

Thanks for sharing the haplotype!
With Tavdgiridze it seems you share a common ancestor about 2000+ years ago. Tavdgiridzes belong to Adjarian nobility. Adjara was part of Lazika before and Tavdgiridze's hometown Kobuleti is quite close to Sarpi.

As for Laz/Elazus it's a totally folk etymology Ethnonym Laz is attested many centuries before the Turkish tribes entered Anatolia from their Central Asian homeland.

 

[Kardu]

FYI we have made some Laz haplotypes public on our project page. And there is one with R1b1a2

 

[foryouandme]

And BTW here are recent Laz results: L1b - 42%, J2a - 28%, G2a - 17%, J1 - 3%, R1b1a2 - 3%, E1b1b - 6%, I2a - 3%.

Wow! A good mixture. I always thought Lazuri and Georgian people resembled Semitic and Celtic people. No wonder they're good looking.

 

[Icebreaker]

Does anyone know where I can find Laz results?

 

[Kardu]

Does anyone know where I can find Laz results?

They are here although unfortunately they aren't specified as Laz for public.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/georgia/default.aspx?section=yresults

What exactly are you looking for?

 

[Icebreaker]

I'm interested in y-dna's and gedmatch results.

Btw, my paternal great-grandfather is a Laz.

 

[Kardu]

I'm interested in y-dna's and gedmatch results.

Btw, my paternal great-grandfather is a Laz.

There will be several Laz results on Gedmatch in near future.

If you like you can join our project, we have several Laz among R1b1a2.

 

[Icebreaker]

Great news.

I've been tested on 23andme.

 

[Kardu]

The Laz is mixed Pontians ...They arent pure

Can you please elaborate?

 

[Trabzon]

And BTW here are recent Laz results: L1b - 42%, J2a - 28%, G2a - 17%, J1 - 3%, R1b1a2 - 3%, E1b1b - 6%, I2a - 3%.

Thats are very interesting results. I expected common anatolian and caucasian originated yHg like J1,J2 and G2a. %42 is very high percentage for L. May be the all sample are relatives? Sampling method should be check out. ( The avars have L1b as %9 at most at the caucasian. %42 is realy so high. )


Btw, Georgians have G,
Lazish people have L
Jews have J
Eagypt has E
Grans sons of Chenghiz Han has C...,
Nordic Fin people has N

Whats going on people.