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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimmerianbloke View Post
    At this stage, it's just a big funfair with plenty of freebies for the politicians that are not suitable for a government job at home or about to retire...

    And what do you believe,
    European constitution above National? or opposite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    And what do you believe,
    European constitution above National? or opposite?
    The referendums held in 2005 showed that the citizen is Eurosceptic, and voices his opposition at the first opportunity he/she has. A political union is a bad idea anyway, it's like having a 27 parties coalition government. Totally unmanageable. We see that on a daily basis, it lacks the speed and smoothness to deal with real issues in a sensible and effective manner. In my opinion, the EU should have regulations for justice, economics and a common frame for education. The rest should be national governments affairs. All we need at the end is a common currency, a basis for dealing with crime across the member states and a recognition of diplomas and professional standard requirements across the whole EU perimeter. Anything else is meddling into local or national issues and is not worth the taxpayer's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimmerianbloke View Post
    The referendums held in 2005 showed that the citizen is Eurosceptic, and voices his opposition at the first opportunity he/she has. A political union is a bad idea anyway, it's like having a 27 parties coalition government. Totally unmanageable. We see that on a daily basis, it lacks the speed and smoothness to deal with real issues in a sensible and effective manner. In my opinion, the EU should have regulations for justice, economics and a common frame for education. The rest should be national governments affairs. All we need at the end is a common currency, a basis for dealing with crime across the member states and a recognition of diplomas and professional standard requirements across the whole EU perimeter. Anything else is meddling into local or national issues and is not worth the taxpayer's money.
    So you believe in referendums, and people choice, that is good,
    Yes I agree with you that Europe must have a Charta an agenda on which countries must be stick, a kind of Justice simmilar etc,

    now about 1 currency, as you seen, it is difficult today the 1 currency cause some want or need 1 E = 1 $ and some want 1 E = 1 $ as their local economy stands, so that is difficult, so you a drop of E about 15% could save Greece, but a 15% drop of E could be disaster for others,

    Simply Europes failure if it is done could be due to non time of isolation,
    when EKAX (in Greek) the Union of Coal and Steel by 6 in early 50's it was to create a common policy about 2-3 products,
    where are we now? to blame each other for everything,
    the only free capitals that move are expensive football players, Europe did not manage to create a system to absorve workers, but instead manage to make Europeans the Non Europeans,
    an example is the today situation, countries that have low unemployment do not make announce to accept workers from EU, but mostly accept non EU immigrants to assimilate them with the idea of Europe.
    it is another Europe the Europe before 2000 and another the EU after 2000.
    maybe we should reconsider the case?
    IN USA when it was born passed 100 years of isolation to create the feeling of USA nation, is the feeling of EU citizen so much strong among us the today Eu citizens?
    to expand more, How many non EU work today in EU and how many EU are unemployed???
    so solidarity of EU in working policy exist???

    the europe that we build after 2000 must be reconsidered, and rebuild,
    many countries think of EU as a cow where they can milk, many people also,

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    Possible failure, try near-definite failure.

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    And indeed every passing day shows the situation going from bad to worse, it's going to be an epic failure...

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    George Soros' Plan to Save the European Union

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canek View Post
    germany rules the eu, they can do whatever they like. nothing is going to happen to they.
    Not as long as UK is an EU member. I think that UK, Spain and Italy should form an entente to stop the French-German axis thirst for power and Europe domination.

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    according the last gallup in Greece 53% have started a negative opinion against Eu
    remember that past years that was not more than 20 max 25 %

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    every euro country would vote no to use euro monies if they had a referndum.

    Italian people have never liked the euro and will never like the euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    according the last gallup in Greece 53% have started a negative opinion against Eu
    remember that past years that was not more than 20 max 25 %
    That is not surprising considering the current state of affairs.

    But this crisis has become so very tiring, with the rest of Europe blaming Greece and Greece blaming the rest of Europe. It is well past time everyone (the EU and Greece) grew up, put aside their own political agendas and accepted their share of the responsibility for this mess, then maybe we can begin making some headway in sorting it out, instead of this ridiculous and infantile finger pointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    I think that UK, Spain and Italy should form an entente to stop the French-German axis thirst for power and Europe domination.
    David Cameron would rather cut his own arm off that have anything to do with Spanish or Italian governments, if he had his way southern Europe wouldn't be in the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edao View Post
    David Cameron would rather cut his own arm off that have anything to do with Spanish or Italian governments, if he had his way southern Europe wouldn't be in the EU.
    If UK does not find allies to counter-balance France-Germany then I'm afraid the country that will leave the EU will not be Greece but UK . Sarkozy is pretty angry and told Cameron to shut his mouth up because UK always critizises the EU but won't join the Euro.

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    True, Merkozy rule the EU, but looking at the figures, they're the only viable governments able to find a solution to the crisis. The problem is that they don't get that less EU is what the street wants. Sarkozy is a bit nervous with an election coming in 2012 and he's eager to boast to have fixed the crisis. Merkel is losing more ground at each national election. It seems that two years from now, the EU leaders picture is going to be interesting... As for the UK, they've been doing their own thing since the Reformation, I just still don't get what got them to join.

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    In a poll published in September Angela Merkel came in at first place in the 50 People Who Matter 2011, http://www.newstatesman.com/subjects...ple-who-matter

    But it is the same old story between the UK, France and Germany. All jockeying for position to see who is going to rule the roost but (as Franco says above) unless the UK either finds an EU ally or learns to work with instead of against the France/Germany alliance they will be increasingly left out in the cold.

    Blair made a mistake in placing US interests above those of the EU in his foreign policy and Cameron suffers from the "old boy" mentality where the Empire still rules. Both attitudes were/are bound to irritate equally arrogant leaders like Merkel and Sarkosy.

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    "In 1946, war-time British Prime Minister Winston Churchill spoke at the University of Zurich on "The tragedy of Europe"; in which he called for a "United States of Europe", to be created" source

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    Quote Originally Posted by edao View Post
    "In 1946, war-time British Prime Minister Winston Churchill spoke at the University of Zurich on "The tragedy of Europe"; in which he called for a "United States of Europe", to be created" source
    I guess in that USE the roll of Dixie will be played by South again,
    the mediterreans agriculture and Turistic areas vs the industrial North,

    I wonder who will be General Lee and who will be Lincoln (
    (Mercel as Lincoln? )

    Let me guess the Dixie land is Greece ?

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    people of north europe should broke the UE... they don't deserve to pay for what the lazy and corrupt countires of the south are doing.

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