Politics Barroso talking that EU is "non-imperial empire"

This isn't an econimist decision...

Merkel's popularity declines, and want to reassure her voters...but it may be a bluff, she knows that if nobody help Greece, the Euro will be down...

(Sorry for my poor English)

Yes, that is the dilemma she is in. The population is actually split into two equal halves about this opinion.
 
But he was your best friend...

Germany don't want to pay for Greece, and DSK had always defended you in front of Merkel...

Are you serious?

yes the case of Germany and Finland against Greek depth is another story,

In Greece we know and we quess other reasons,
Greek crisis is because of some Bankers the lend money with x3 or x4 times over than others with bigger depth.

The case of Germany and the Deny was programmed to pass some change in public issues that was accepted with almost no trouble, some economical classes, that had much privileges
the problem was and is corrupted person in places, covered by political parties,
and seems like today only a small % is find, while the situation is the same,
the IMF gave support to Greece cause Greece followed the instructions,
and did not revolt as other places, why? I don't know, But seems Greek society is in Luck of dreamer and modern philosophers,

IMF only check and does not solve problem,
DE FACTO only in my area 13 small corporations just closed and 7 of them moved to Bulgaria (also EU) just because of the taxes in primary production, thhat was raised from 9, 15 to 13-15, 23-25 %
if you put taxes to primary production then you kick all foreign investments, and even your people stop producing but prefer to buy cheap imported,
since IMF gave instructions, as a strange reaction, Greek market started to buy from German cheap markets, !!!!! and import Turkish products and change label, !!!!!!
last winter in Greece that perfect oranges, we ate !!! Turkish, Brazilian Spanish and North African !!!!!
since IMF started to gave instruction all construction industry is stoped due a new law that raises taxes from x2 to x8 according the old,
well it is another thing to cut salaries and another to stop any production sending 000 000 to unemployment.

Indeed German will not want to pay for the Greeks had a reason, cause a German worked until 65 and some Greeks got retirement at 45 (military and police forces).
But that was solved from the Begin,
Greece change laws and is according majority of EU laws today,
But that did not help, still spreads are very high,
then what is Happening,
Simply Portugal was smart and avoid IMF,
But Greece was Dump, and accepted IMF,
(socialist with a Porche, that pays 150 000 for a house while normal Greeks pay 250-300 E rent)
well simply IMF manage to kick away the last industries that did not left in previous times, and manage to make problem from a crisis a Gordian tight, that will last until 2025-2030,
the case of portugal opened eyes in some Greeks and today people, are suspicious that something is Behind,
Angela of Germany told clear in past, SELL SOME OF YOUR ISLANDS,

and IMF instruction although Helps us with some money today, simply puts a bomb in our national lands in 2 ways,

1 is by selling Islands or monuments simply is like selling your heaviest industry,
2 is the case of international laws,
it is written in a thread about Cyprus,

simply Greek crisis started the exact time that Greeks and Cyprus demanded to expand sea-reef boarders to 12 miles than 6 that are today, a case that is Casus Beli for Turkish,

and the abandoned plan of South Stream (Russian pipes)and Nabuco (USA pipes) that will transfer oil and Gas to italy and west Europe,
Greece spend billions of EU there, but the Georgia-Osetia cases, as also the Azer-Turkish new treatment instead of bringing oil and gas, are empty pipes,

simply the East Mesogeios (mediteraneo) oil and gas, is in Target.
 
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It was not Merkel who suggested Greece to sell it's islands, but Josef Schlarmann, some relatively unknown politician, but of the same party however.
I'm not very much into economy, but I think it would really be interesting to know what would happen if Greece even severely lowered it's taxes for enterprices, in order to foster businesses and economy. Of course, the IMF would get an apoplex from that as it wouldn't trust this method very much and it would be way too slow. But how should Greece ever get out of this situation if living and business conditions get even worse?? When the debts are paid, I fear the country will be a wreck...
It is what I criticize almost everywhere in Europe today, that people can't think, or want to think, in long range terms!
 
Standart strategy of IMF is sharp reduction in spending and raising taxes. Usually result of such IMF directions are terrible, situation for simple people becomes even worse. Best is stay away from that organisation as far as possible if you have such opportunity.
 
Greek problem is unemployment, and insurance stamps,

in some areas reach 705 but mostly is 25% average, that is about 1 500 000 peole live with 50 days of work stamps,
that make public insurance and health to be expensive,

think, 1 man to work to feed 2 families, !!!

besides the Turkish miracle of after 70,
it became cause they kicked IMF.

IMF is not giving future solutions, but only directives and check if you obey them,
simply controls the depth
think Greek economy was not Bad, it was a quite good one, worse than 1978, but better than today,
unemployment was 10-14%,
Since IMF came raised to 25%, and is expected to reach 30-35%
30-35% is dangerous,
since IMF came >30% of Greek people money flew from Greece
simply you can not put a EU farmer a high tax, or a small local cheese maker cause then you make him to move to city to sell donuts and coffee, or you force him to use mutate products and alternative solutions, that are dangerous,
the 1rst is production, the 2nd? produces what? simply turns money hands.

there are many taxes,
the taxes of market are based in a theory that farmer pays tax of income, and not for production, and through merchants, industry etc reach the consumer with a logical taxation.
the last, consumer tax can be high,
but if producers tax is entered or high then consumer avoids to buy cause the extra money is summed, and turns to alternative solutions, so producer changes production or job,

I produce olive oil and I export it in another country, I bring currency to my country,
if you put tax in my production (not my income) the you raise my prizes and simply you kick me off the market, cause then I must raise prizes but the other country can find better prizes, and they maybe do not want my oil cause is expensive.

As a farmer I need oil, If Buy oil same price as a consumer that goes for a ride withhis car , then taxation in 1rst production is done, and is criminal,
just think that farmers according production before IMF buy some quantities with 1,10 E per litter, and 1,40 the rest, today all quantities are 1,80 E (955 octane), then how much i will sel my products and at what price they reach market.
 
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