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    Dominique Strauss-Kahn in custody on charges of sexual assault




    Dominique Strauss-Kahn in custody on charges of sexual assault

    I have just watched the news coverage of this story on the BBC.
    Two things come to mind.

    Firstly they are covering the story as if he is guilty, what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    "Jonathan Pinet, a political science student, tweeted the news of Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest before it had even happened, according to Le Post, a French newspaper."
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    Secondly why on earth is (for the moment) an innocent man in front of photographers and cameras in a middle of a court proceeding, what a violation of human rights? Having the media in the court room making a circus of something as serious as a rape case, that seems very backward to me. I could hardly hear what was being said for the clicking noise the cameras where making.

    I don't know if this Kahn is a sex maniac or if he's being 'stiched up', but you have to admit if somone wanted to destory him politicaly and humiliate him......job done!

    ps. All the jokes about the IMF not just raping countries have been done so you'll have to be a bit more original!

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    My very first thought when I read the breaking-news headline was:
    Oh no, not another conspiracy! I just got over the Osama bin Laden news, and now that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzungu mchagga View Post
    My very first thought when I read the breaking-news headline was:
    Oh no, not another conspiracy! I just got over the Osama bin Laden news, and now that!
    Here is an extract of a Forbes'article:



    the pre-crime account of DSK’s interview by the French publication Liberation may be the strangest given by any public figure on record. As Business Insider reports, DSK first mused about his “love” of women. “Yes, I love women,” he stated, “so what?” Then he rambled on incoherently about orgies. “For years we talk about giant pictures of orgies . . . But I’ve never seen anything out . . . Let’[s] show them!” DSK went on to suggest that Sarkozy (who backed his appointment as IMF Managing Director) was playing “dirty tricks” with his private life.
    Then the pre-crime – DSK confabulating that a “woman (he might have raped) in a parking lot might be paid (note the passive voice) half a million to a million euros to make up the story.” As Business Insider suggests, another translation of the quote is DSK’s suggestion that he “could see himself becoming the victim of a honey trap.”

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    well according the Greek news,

    there is a video in the halls of the hotels since law forbids cameras inside rooms,
    according that video, NY PD arrested Dominique, and according that he will be judged,
    a ganetical analysis was also in progress but I don't know results, and why.

    seems like Hotel management knows exactly what happened, but I haven't seen that video, so to post it.

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    At first, we didn't want to believe it, for a lot of french it was a political affair...But that's not the case...

    Our next president is a rapist, our best econimist is a perv...what a shame...
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    Many French people think that it's a set-up. He is by far the most popular Socialist candidate to the French presidency, so the Right (Sarkozy and his party, who are on good term with the US government) has every reason to rejoice in DSK's arrest. Sarkozy ranked third in th polls, behind the Ostrich King (uh, no that would be Strauss-Khan) and Marine Le Pen. Few people believe that Le Pen could become president, so his most obvious rival is/was DSK. I personally prefer Sarkozy than any Socialist candidate. I can't stand the nonsensical economic stance of the French Left (or of Le Pen for that matter).

    What I find ludicrous is that they say DSK risks over 70 years of imprisonment. Some murderers get less than 20 years, and he would got 70 years for an attempted rape (not even an actual one) ! The legal system is really f¨cked up.

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    I personally prefer Sarkozy than any Socialist candidate
    Really?
    He is rude, impolite, megalomaniac, he has no decency...
    He increased his salary of 140% during the crisis...
    Etc...

    You don't know him and his stupids decisions...

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    Fight for IMF top job goes global


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    The media has already convicted him as a rapist, got to love impartiality!

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    Many French people think that it's a set-up
    I don't understand...

    Qu'est que tu veux dire par "set-up"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    I don't understand...

    Qu'est que tu veux dire par "set-up"?
    un guet appens

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    Many French people think that it's a set-up
    Totally wrong...

    Nobody think that here...

    We are choked, for us, he was the promess of a new political way...we feel ashamed and sad...

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    It is way too early to say what exactly happened either way, this guy is being hung out to dry without a trial nor an opportunity to defend himself. Seems more like a witch-hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Really?
    He is rude, impolite, megalomaniac, he has no decency...
    He increased his salary of 140% during the crisis...
    Etc...

    You don't know him and his stupids decisions...
    You shouldn't elect someone on appearances. Who cares if he is rude or megalomaniac, as long as he takes better decisions for the economy than the other candidates. Sarkozy only disappointed me in looking tougher than he acted.

    I strongly reproach to the French and Belgian socialists to have created an overly generous social security system, which acts like a powerful magnet on the rascal of the Third World. Two of the most serious problems that both France and Belgium experience nowadays, and which have led to a rise in the extreme-right (The Front National in France, the NV-A and Vlaams Belang in Belgium), are :

    1) excessive immigration from underdeveloped countries (mostly from Africa and the Muslim world), largely out of the control of the authorities, and causing many social tensions and conflicts.

    2) to support such a generous social security, France and Belgium were forced to raise taxes to some of the highest levels in the world. This had two direct consequences :

    a) Both countries have been losing plenty of opportunities of foreign investment because of excessive costs for the employers.
    b) Local companies are massively relocating wherever the workforce is cheaper (China, Eastern Europe, Morocco), resulting in higher unemployment rate.

    All these problems can and should be blamed on the socialists. But the solution is certainly not to lock one's borders and quit the euro, like all far-right parties suggest. This would be even worse. So the only alternative so far is the traditional right.

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    Shall I be really, really honest?
    I don't want Marie Le Pen to win the election. Considering that Sarkozy is not that popular in France, chances are not that low that she would win. Now that DSK is gone, I guess that a several people who would have voted for the Socialists now give their votes to Sarkozy. Which in turns is a loss situation for Le Pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Totally wrong...

    Nobody think that here...

    We are choked, for us, he was the promess of a new political way...we feel ashamed and sad...
    Do you even watch the news on French TV ? Most of the people interviewed, be it on LCI, France 24 or other channels said that they believe it was a coup monté (set-up). So you are basically saying that most French people believe he is truly guilty then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzungu mchagga View Post
    Shall I be really, really honest?
    I don't want Marie Le Pen to win the election. Considering that Sarkozy is not that popular in France, chances are not that low that she would win. Now that DSK is gone, I guess that a several people who would have voted for the Socialists now give their votes to Sarkozy. Which in turns is a loss situation for Le Pen.
    This is exactly why DSK's arrest is a boon for Sarkozy. He could not have hoped for a better situation. Indeed, I suspect that Sarkozy, or powerful people who want Sarkozy to win (perhaps in the US), had someone pay the maid to accuse Strauss-Kahn of attempted rape. It's so similar to Julian Assange's case (also a set-up) that I would bet that US government is behind it.

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    Fact that reinforce the "set-up" theory is that the arrest was announced on twitter by a member of Sarkozy's party before the NY Times revealed the affair

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    In my opinion, the US government had to thanks Sarkozy for what he has done on Libya so they secured his re election

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    Désolé de m'exprimer en Français, mais je suis incapable d'exprimer les idées suivantes en Anglais...

    You shouldn't elect someone on appearances
    Mais il a été élu sur les apparences!!!
    On l'a élu sur son beau discour sécuritaire et son soit disant dynamisme!!!

    1 moi après sa prise de fonction il a augmenté son salaire de 140%!!!
    Il s'est affiché dans les médias "people" sans aucune pudeur!!!
    Lui et son gouvernement n'ont de cesse de favoriser les riches et les puissants!!!
    La première année de son mandat, il a explosé le budget des frais du gouvernement!!!
    Il a supprimé la "police de proximité" (idée de gauche) pour les remettre 2 ans après!!!
    Il a insulté un citoyen ("casse toi pauv' con") juste parce qu'il ne voulait pas lui serrer la main!!!
    2 moi après un autre citoyen lui balance la même injure, et là Sarko l'envoie en justice!!!
    Sous son gouvernement, les députés ont voté une loi leur octroyant une indemnité chomage de 3000 Euros jusqu'à la fin de leur vie!!!
    Et j'en passe et des meilleurs...

    C'est le pire président de la 5ème république...

    Do you even watch the news on French TV ? Most of the people interviewed, be it on LCI, France 24 or other channels said that they believe it was a coup monté (set-up). So you are basically saying that most French people believe he is truly guilty then ?
    Oui, cela fait 3 jours que j'observe l'affaire de très près et à part 2 ou 3 proches de DSK, personne ne parle de complot...
    Tu parles avec des Français tous les jours?
    Tout le monde s'en fout que ce soit un complot ou une histoire vraie, tout le monde est dégouté par nos hommes politiques...

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    [QUOTE=VonRoust;371966]Tu parles avec des Français tous les jours?
    Tout le monde s'en fout que ce soit un complot ou une histoire vraie, tout le monde est dégouté par nos hommes politiques...[/QUOTE

    Tu sais en regardant les chaînes de télé francophone on en sait plus sur l'état de l'opinion française qu'en parlant pendant 2 jours à sa famille et ses collègues. Pas la peine de parler à des Français "tous les jours" pour sentir le climat de l'opinion sur cette affaire.


    Et c'est pas la peine de répéter "tout le monde" pour faire croire que ton point de vue fait l'unanimité. Moi qu'en je vois les unes de la presse, ça parle de présomption d'innocence non respecté (photo de DSK menotté), d'humiliation (pour DSK), des primaires du parti socialiste, des théories du complot...


    Il n'y a pas UN sentiment général sur cette affaire

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    Et c'est pas la peine de répéter "tout le monde" pour faire croire que ton point de vue fait l'unanimité. Moi qu'en je vois les unes de la presse, ça parle de présomption d'innocence non respecté (photo de DSK menotté), d'humiliation (pour DSK), des primaires du parti socialiste, des théories du complot...
    Il y a une grande différence entre lire les titres, et lire les articles (aucune articles de journal soutient cette thèse)...
    Il y a une très grande différence entre parler d'humilition (parce qu'on ne voit pas ça chez nous) et de théorie du complot...

    Tu as raison de dire que mon opinion n'engage que moi, mais lorsque je lis les journaux (entièrement), lorque je parle avec mes collègues, mes amis ou ma famille, tout le monde fait le même constat: notre système politique et nos politiciens sont lamentables...

    Et je suis désolé mais lorsque je dis que personne ne croit à la théorie du complot, tu t'indignes, mais lorsque Maciamo dit l'inverse, tu ne réagis pas?

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    He changed his strategy:

    dhnet.be

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Mais il a été élu sur les apparences!!!
    On l'a élu sur son beau discour sécuritaire et son soit disant dynamisme!!!
    Je voulais dire que c'est le fond qui compte plus que la forme. Il est indéniable que Sarkozy est un des politiciens les plus dynamiques qui soit, et pas juste en France. Je ne vois pas ce qu'il y a à lui reprocher à ce niveau là.


    1 moi après sa prise de fonction il a augmenté son salaire de 140%!!!
    Et alors ? Ca reste fort bas comparé à d'autres pays, ou aux grands chefs d'entreprises.

    Il s'est affiché dans les médias "people" sans aucune pudeur!!!
    Où est le problème ? Il fait ce qu'il veut de sa vie privée. Ce n'est pas pq les présidents précédents en France étaient des vieux schnocks coincés qu'il doit l'être aussi. Je suis d'ailleurs satisfait du "relooking" plus jeune qu'il a donné à la présidence.


    Lui et son gouvernement n'ont de cesse de favoriser les riches et les puissants!!!
    Ah bon ? Avec l'impôt sur la fortune qui a fait fuir tant de Français riches vers la Belgique et la Suisse ?

    La première année de son mandat, il a explosé le budget des frais du gouvernement!!!
    Pourtant la dette publique de la France est une de celles qui a progressé le moins dans les pays occidents après la crise financière. La France s'en sort bien mieux que les Etats-Unis, le Royaume-Uni, L'Espagne, et bien sûr l'Irelande, le Portugal et la Grèce.


    Il a insulté un citoyen ("casse toi pauv' con") juste parce qu'il ne voulait pas lui serrer la main!!!
    2 moi après un autre citoyen lui balance la même injure, et là Sarko l'envoie en justice!!!
    Je n'ai pas entendu parlé de ça. Mais ça reste dans la catégorie "faits divers". Ca n'a aucune importance en ce qui concerne la gestion politique et économique du pays.

    Sous son gouvernement, les députés ont voté une loi leur octroyant une indemnité chomage de 3000 Euros jusqu'à la fin de leur vie!!!
    Ce n'est pas du "chômage", mais une sorte de rente ou de salaire à vie. Qu'est-ce que 3000 euro pour un député, quand une personne non qualifié (par exemple quelqu'un qui n'a pas même pas terminé l'école primaire) peut toucher 1000 euro/mois de chômage, plus ou moins à vie aussi ?

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    Maciamo, you're sounding quite utilitarian right now... if it turns out to be a setup that gets Sarkozy re-elected, would you consider it to have been a good thing, because it will help the French economy?

    I tend to agree, by the way, that Sarkozy has been good for France, generally... at least better than the Socialists would be. That's not to say that I am a fan of Sarkozy, as I find him to have a poor record on civil liberties and I dislike his governing style. But France has such a dearth of good politicians that I don't know of anybody in the running who might make a better President of France than him. Maaaybe Villepin. To be honest, if I was to make a list of the top 100 active European politicians, I'm not sure I'd have anyone from France in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkey View Post
    . To be honest, if I was to make a list of the top 100 active European politicians, I'm not sure I'd have anyone from France in it.

    I guess that if you had to make such a list, you might know at least 200 active politician in Europe. Do yu even know 200 active politician in your own country ?

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