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Well after Spain more than 3 days now Greek people full of Angry are free to protest,

Seems like the modern 'Spain revolution'
shows the way.


what had happened and it started so late,

i will write a lot later cause I have to go to work,

But the first I want to share is this,

for first time protests are unequal and not political by party forms,
I mean they are not patronised by parties, so every one can express his opinion and no one should argue,
I mean it is a massive awaking protest, and not a party political,

plz do not reply until I write covering most.

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1 Greece economy and Harvard

to understand that

1 Andreas Papandreou harvard proffesor
2 Con/ne Mhtsotakis his son finished Harvard
3 Ntora Mpakoyiannis his brother finished Harvard
4 Cost/ne Karamanlis the young, his first cousin finished Harvard, he finished Tufts university
5 Ger Arsenis MIT finished,
6 antonis Samaras Harvard University,
7 Konstantine Simitis finished economics in Germany

the joke of Modern Greeks is the bellow as told by Theodorakis,

Greek ceasars of economy found NEW MATHEMATICAL LAWS

+5 +5 = -5 !!!!!!!!!
+5 from taxes in market
+5 from cut sallaries
-------
-5 to the 'little pig' that gov stores money !!!!!!!!!!

from 1984 the policy of Greece was λιτοτητα Frugality

all we hear is that we put that tax to gain +5 or we take that measure to earn +5
and always the result is -5 !!!!


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PLZ WATCH CLEARLY



that is the system that Harvard people gave to Greece

'Money exists' in a quick time Biilions were found to save Banks'
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2 Older types og Greek protests

The last 10-20 Years the model of protest was that,

1 a party or a syndicate started a protest
2 people gather,
3 people with masks entered and throw Molotov bombs to policeman,
4 Police starts a full war with Chemicals and beating everyone with hate,
5 in 1/2 an hour the protest belong to past,

the new model,

I have the right to protest what ever I say,
I don't allow any masked man to enter in area of protest,
I allow police forces to walk among protests, but with out chemicals or globs etc,
It is a protest and not a revolution,
 
3 Some moto that create a sense

well a lot have been heard to these protests

I give a Video about Saloniki



to translate a few

Κομα and Κωμα koma-party koma-coma

'until when we will live and vote in the coma'
modern parties are just like living in a coma, you vote you hear, you obey what they say, and you don't have the time to think.

another one,
Για να ευημερησουν οι τραπεζεσ πρεπει να πεθανουν οι ανθρωποι?
How many people should die so the Banks be prosper??????

another one,
Οι πολιτικοι ειναι ξενοι μισθοφοροι
Politians are nothing but mercenaries !!!!
 
4 Greeks and the police

Greek police is the most dirty in europe

a special force of them the YMEA

the last 5 years many videos came out,

I give the last of the 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F80_Ogom6M

Greek police is only afraid of cameras
LOOK carefully the video,
The stop violence when they realize that a camera is recording.


same again they stop cause someone shout CAMERA.

Part 2 THE BOOBIES (Mask wearing people)

in Every Greek protest there was always a group that were masks, breaks everything, and challenge the armed police,
who are they?


in the bellow mask people arrest a citizen

there is also another mask people class,
the party soldiers, or the brothers of the criminals,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5gLFK4-vI&feature=related

the above was done to support a maskman (non police)
that robed a bang and was arrested by the help of a citizen,
the thief was a party member,
so the second group of the mask men are just criminals or party members,

there is also a 3rd group, the Idealists.
I lved a case when i was in Thessaloniki,
1 night they ring all bells of the houses,
'come take your cars we will burn the bank'
the even had A speaker,
they wait 20 min and they burn the bank,
most cars were saved,
in another case they broke 2 markets of a huge chain, they took all the eatable,
and the next day they shared them to poor neighborhoods wearing masks. !!!!!
 
Chapter A part 1 the Greek depth

The Greek depth starts from 1830 about,
3 loans were done,
the 1rst never reach Greece,
it was done in England and money stay in England!!!!!!

the 2nd was given to church and politicians!!!!!!
the 3rd manage to establish the Bank of Greece and first Gov-publick assistance.

there are the 1870 loans, the WW1 loans etc,

in WW2 Greece had the biggest suffering in % of population from all allies,
Economy was destroyed, mass death etc,
After that Civil war

so for 8 years Greece was in wars and could not manage to reconstruct

at 1950+ start the first Aid

with that money started the Athens and Piraus industrial zone,
Italy make a Hydroelectric plan in order to pay for the war,
Germany????
Simply took 150 000 Greek healthy workers,
No payment for the massacres or the destructions,
or Greek politicians never ask them !!!!!!

later from 1960+ starts the industrialization of Greece,
Huge industries, corporations etc,
the Onasis times,

suddenly 1967
a USA pushed military Junta
the Cyprus case etc,
King that want to be prime ministers,
prime ministers that want to be Kings,
military officers that want to be both .....

that era stops at 1990 mostly but for many is still on,
simply 25% of the greeks still vote left or right cause a realtive of them was killed by Communists,
or a realative was killed by the Rights.

Greek de-industrial times start from 1980 and after.
Big Industries and corporations left country due to a new, Xtra taxation system, that could demand taxes from 20 years before !!!!!!!!!
and many others
 
Part 2 the parliaments Junda

in 1978 Greece enters EU with out referendum

from 1974 no referendum in Greece

Greece enter Eu, Eurozone, Maastrich (whatever) Lisbon treaty without 1 referendum,

Greece enter IMF without 1 referendum etc

that means that Greek people and Greek system of Demokratia (modern) stinks
the only democracy is to change people, and decide which face will govern you,

WE CAN NOT DECIDE ABOUT OUR FUTURE,
A politician can change, many politicians say other before and other after elections,

Kostas karamanlis promised a clean gov and send Thieves to prison, but in his Gov, Scandals with Church broke, also with SIemens.
and he sent no one to prison,
George Papandreou Before elections He was certain and said Money exists,
Greece is not in Crisis, simply the opponents are blind,
well in 2 months he change his promise,
money do not exist, lets call IMF


if in a country no referendum is asked or done,
THEN HOW COME IS THE PEOPLES CHOICE.

REAL DEMOCRACY DEMANDS REFERENDUM AND NOT GALLOPS BY COMPANIES THAT ARE PAID BY PARTIES OR BY BANKS
 
Greece is the first step of what it means an Europe with an only economy united, but without a common political line to all the states. What a shame!
 
Part 3 Corruption and sallaries


The above is all
Tsoukatos admits that he took maney from Siemens and put them in Bank account of the party

as Tsoykatos there are many in ALL PARTIES
I can give a list of names,

I will give 1 from each party

1 Boulgarakis
2 Florakis Φλωρακης
3 Konstantopoylos Κωνσταντοπουλος
etc

Simply corruption is everywhere in all parties,

The Greek parliament vote a law, they became judges
according that they examine the scandals
and ALL TIMES THEY COVER THEM

seems like Piotr Kropotkin was right,

if Judges politicians military bankers become one, then?

what the difference with a tyranny or an Oligarchy,

Lets have a look at the salaries,

a worker took 780 E per month.
a public assistance 1200 E per month to 2300/month
a gov 1800-4000/ per month
a Judge started from 1500 to 5500/ month !!!!!!!

are we nuts x7 the sallary of a worker!!!!
besides, a judge also cost 4 policeman that quard his house,
means 13500 / per month cost judge !!!!!!

then why judges should investigate scandals???
they have a policeman to take their kids to school and are payed X7
No need to invest corruption or punish it,

!!!!!!!!


Journalists?

hmmm

3 types
the 'good' he is serius, and take report from minister in TV
questions are given before, and never ask bad questions
the 'Bad' always find conspiracies and small corruption, he is wealthy and and can be hired not to speak, blackmail people
the 'ugly' well they are funny the always write after a political view,
for example a car accident and 1 man killed, resposible is the X gov that make the road!!!!
and not the drivers !!!!

some type A journalists that are the Junda in information are paid 600 000 E per year!!!!!


the bellow is characteristic
it was done by previous gov and still continues,

Each party creates some small committee to give advise to Gov,
I said it was also done by previous
well the modern case I create fire 16 000 workers,
But I hire 500 party members in a committee that is about Crete developement!!!!
the workers took 1200-1500 each, that committee is paid 3000 E each !!!!!!!!
what frugality!!!!!!!

 
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Chapter B part 1 Investers??????

well
in this chapter I will try to explain the problem,

Year is before the Euro,

Simitis is a political dead, prime minister,

he conviced as a puppet All Greeks to invest in Greek stock exchange,
Maajority lost their moneys in balloon share,
some smart get rich in few hours,

so to stay in History what he should do,

Enter Greece to Eu

He takes a secret Loan from Goldman Sachs, that will start to paid after 8 years,
Sudenly Greeks realize that they have to pay an extra loan!!!!!!

An Austrian judge search the case and finds him quilty against Eu laws,
But no Judge in Greece, cause parliament covers the scandal,

By reports we know that GERMAN BUNDES BANK KNEW THE CASE AND THE LOAN

THEY KNEW ABOUT THE LOAN, THEY STAY SILENT,
CAUSE A HUGE SUBMARINE BARGAIN WAS IN PROGRESS,
CAUSE GERMAN CHAIN MARKETS INVEST IN GREECE
CAUSE SIEMENS IS EARNING FROM THE GREEK CONSTRUCTIONS OF OLYMPIC GAMES TRAINS ETC

so they stay silent that time but shout later,
when???
When oil and gas is found around Greece.
why?
simply Money smell

who is Goldman Sachs

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304066504576347190532098376.html
 
C B part 2 IMF

IMF

IMF when first come to Greece all greeks were wandering

IMF challenging Greeks

IMF hired an appartment for 150 000 per year !!!!

when a greek pays the most expensive 400 E for month 5000 per year.

simply from that IMF became enemy,

IMF is not interested on how people live or what they eat,
IMF is interesting to save Banks and not people,

THEY ARE WEALTHY RICH PEOPLE WITH PORCHE WHO TAX CITIZENS.
 
Ch B part 3 Greeks and the Germans

Although Funny,

a war is among Greeks and Spiegel magazine,

well we don't care

Angella was wright in many,

Yes Greece had some bad politic in gov and public assistance,

military, police, etc could have retirement at age of 45
women working in public ass could have retirement in age of 45 if have 1 kid under 18
and worked 15 years
that indeed was an expensive to the state,

that could be a problem,

But why Angela told that today?
and not yesterday?
that is from 1990+ laws,
and change in 2010,
Germany knew that all the time,
why the exact time?

!!!!!!
 
Ch B part 4 Greeks and CDS

the problem of Greece is not that is bad economy,

in Fact it is very healthy,

some laws should change before 10 years,
but change later,

the main problem is the CDS
the banking Loans pay,

Why Greece must pay x5 the money that borrows than Germany?
why IMF is not invastigating what is behind??????

if Germany has borrow 100 will pay 150 in a 10 years
Portugal 350
Greece 500 !!!!!!!
what is behind that policy????

Well an answer to Spiegel magazine,

WE DON'T SELL
 
Ch B part 5 the dillemas

The dillemas Gr Διλλημα

the 2 solutions issue

1967 Junda or Anarchy
1974 Karamanlis or Tanks
etc
2011

DRACHMAS OR EUROS




well the woman is Maria Δαμανακη Damanaki
she is EU as a cosult or somethink

she was in Polytechneio revolt in 1973
she has photos before that will CIA head Robbin
she was in Left Eurocommunists party as a LEADER,
she jump to Socialists when her carrer in Left was over.
and Now she speak as the Conservative person
Putting the dillemas that ex-right-Natioanalists Did
1967 Junda or Anarchy
1974 Karamanlis or Tanks

Who are these people?
they cooperate with CIA???
They Are left Idealist people?
They are conservatives?
For who they Work?
Why they put Dillema????

SIMPLY POLITICIAN IS A JOB, AN ACTOR, A PUPPET

they can move and say what ever YOU want as long as you pay them,
they give hope and few E to poor people,
and they Sell souls cause they don't Belong to them

well an answer to the dillema is that
the 3rd solution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goudi_coup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Six


Miss Damanakh in REAL DEMOCRACY THERE ARE NOT DILLEMAS
THERE ARE ONLY SOLUTIONS
plz help Greece by suicide your self and give solutions and not terminals

The boy in 1rst videos is still in Hospital, suffering from head injury,
why? cause he protest against your dillemas????
 
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Chapter C Economy today in Greece

how is economy today in Greece

000 of small corporations stoped,
they moved to Bulgaria Turkey Albania
or eternal closed,

the first thought was to go to Fyrom, but the hostility there is Big
simply they lost the chance to strenght their economy

300 000 Greeks moved to bulgaria to work in Greek business
more than 750 000 greeks left for Eu to work
most of them are scientists and Ms or PHD

I my shelf would also leave but I am aged enough.

I close my small construction company due to an extra tax of 25%,

sallaries fall to 400 E
while electric current for 4 member family reach 100 and water and telephone you need 180E per month with no internet, no tv watch no aircondition etc

people start to live in 2 rooms than 3 that was before,

Market

market is dead for the Greeks
taxation on 13-15% to food from 6% and the new 23% that is about to come surely make greek to go buy untaxed,
the Good is that Greeks started to eat mediterennean again,

they go to farmer and buy there, and not from markets so not to pay tax,

the surprising is that Before Euro a water mellon of 8 kilo coast same prize with1 kilo of Gouda cheese
today 1 kilo of Gouda cheese is cheaper than 1 water melon of 8 kilo
but if you have a know farmer you go and buy from him,
Market and jobs that are connected with market survive only in Athens
rest of Greece resist the taxation.
Simply is a Bank policy to sell cheap meat and Cheese and sell expensive Fruits and vegetables!!!!
why?
in 2000 with 1 Dmark you could buy 3 kilos of peaches,
today with 1 Euro you buy 3 peaches

in the local market before 1 week spaggeti from another country was sold illegal but all buy,
why? simply poor Greeks are not willing to pay the stolen or the high life of the Gov assistance, of party members, etc

about smoking and tobaco is very funny,
how many of you make your own blend?



Ok I am finished you may write your comments and what ever you want,

Before I must inform you, Greece is still a safe place for vacations,
avoid center of Athens only (not airport)

many Greeks are not willing to sell an inch of property,
Spiegel get lost, we don't sell ...........
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

SAVE THE PEOPLE AND NOT BANKS

Real Democracy is the people choice Referendum and not gallops made by some
not even exit polls
 
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THEY ARE WEALTHY RICH PEOPLE WITH PORCHE WHO TAX CITIZENS
I understand your point of view, but IMF isn't an "Association of rich people who tax citizens"...

IMF is like a bank...
When a country have an enormous debt (350 billions for Greece), and no bank want to give credit, IMF came and try to help this country and lend money with minimal interest rates...

If the IMF didn't exist, Greece would be in recession, no?
And why nobody pays any taxes in Greece?
 
Chapter D conspiracy Theories,

The conspiracy theories science fiction are giving an Axis of Germany and Turkey Nabuco

and an Axis of Greece Iesrael and Cyprus South Stream and its expand to Naples,

Turkey is mood to drill oil and Gas from Aegean and East mediterraneo
German is supporting that due to power that will give her an non North Sea and Non Russian oil and Gas,

Greece is still under CIA agents ministers,
so the time is near to drill!!

who will drill Both Greece and Turkey?
or only 1

the case of Turkey is Helping Germans,
The case of Greeks is Helping Balkans and south Italy France and Spain

the other 2 Bulgaria and Albania are still in silent,

Greek conspiracy theory is that Germans want to Buy land or drilling rights from Greeks to co-operate with Turks,

The above is a science fiction theory
but it is based in the late searches in East mediterraneo bottom, and in the casus beli of naval zone from 6 to 12 miles from Turks to Greece and Cyprus.
and Global interest in Balkans sudenly when South Stream and Nabuco pass.....

If it is true, simply as quick Turkey turn face and became strong than the 1970 Turkey
the same Balkans South Italy South France and East Spain could be the next Industrial zones of Europe,

the many science fiction theories that today are spread in Greece maybe mean something,
 
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I understand your point of view, but IMF isn't an "Association of rich people who tax citizens"...

IMF is like a bank...
When a country have an enormous debt (350 billions for Greece), and no bank want to give credit, IMF came and try to help this country and lend money with minimal interest rates...

If the IMF didn't exist, Greece would be in recession, no?
And why nobody pays any taxes in Greece?


that why they use it,
Imf must also establish Balances among Cureency, and examine economies in red,
why they are only used it in last time when damage is done????


CDS before IMF were x6
after the meassures that Greeks took like retirement in 65 CDS raise to x7
After IMF still CDS from 5-5,5
so what the diference?
Bell rang the time of Death?
or isn;t Dead and we make him dead?????


Besides in Global Laws there is also the I don't pay
something that many Greeks wanted to use instead of IMF


why to pay taxes?
ok exept taxes for income or propertie
why the rest? to make rich party members richer!!!

there is a joke commercial about that,
I am nor showing it due not to advertise

USA CALIFORNIA HAS THE SAME and bigger DEPTH!!!!
why they dont sent IMF???????


VONROUST
WATCH CAREFULLY

http://www.ijpartners.com/

1 of them has the 2% of Siemens
2 the first woman WORKED FOR IMF Miranda XAFA


that company was created by the brother of today prime minister
THEY EARN 26 BILLIONS FROM CDS OF GREEK ECONOMY
26 000 000 000 E

who will punish those guys!!!!

IMF WORKERS EARN FROM GREEK CRISIS
IS N'T THAT A SCANDAL!!!!!!!


then what IMF we are talking about????



yeah probably she was NOT driving a Porche but a Bentley maybe.
 
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The conspiracy theories are giving an Axis of Germany and Turkey

and an Axis of Greece Iesrael and Cyprus

Turkey is mood to drill oil and Gas from Aegean and East mediterraneo
German is supporting that due to power that will give her an non North Sea and Non Russian oil and Gas,

Greece is still under CIA agents ministers,
so the time is near to drill!!

who will drill Both Greece and Turkey?
or only 1

the case of Turkey is Helping Germans,
The case of Greeks is Helping Balkans and south Italy France and Spain

the other 2 Bulgaria and Albania are still in silent,

Greek conspiracy theory is that Germans want to Buy land or drilling rights from Greeks to co-operate with Turks,

The above is a science fiction theory
but it is based in the late searches in East mediterraneo bottom, and in the casus beli of naval zone from 6 to 12 miles from Turks to Greece and Cyprus.
and Global interest in Balkans sudenly when South Stream and Nabuco pass.....

If it is true, simply as quick Turkey turn face and became strong than the 1970 Turkey
the same Balkans South Italy South France and East Spain could be the next Industrial zones of Europe
Are you serious???
This is paranomia...good-bye...
 
Most people accept Greece, Ireland and Portugal are not likely to be in a position to pay off their debts.

The bail outs are merely there to buy the French and German banks time to get themselves in a stronger position to absorb any restructuring. I doubt it will be a painless process, I imagine the restructuring will be the catalyst for greater EU reforms and significant changes within the Eurozone.

I hope the reforms bring further European intergration for the countries that want it and not a general break down and protectionism.
 

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