iapetoc
Junior Member
Who are then then if not illyrians, I know they all spoke Venetic but where not veneti.
carians? ..they are persians, you mean carni
I never speak of borders both past and present because borders are irrelevant in discussing tribes or cultures. So I do not care about the Roman province , its about the people.
And ? All spaniards are not all castilian. Whats your point?
If strabo and Livy say different to Pliny, why do you accept Pliny?
Mythology , and zeus came from Mount Olympus and did this and that..........Just go to the facts .....
The Inn river valley's advantageous geographical position made it a natural choice for early settlers. During the Bronze Age, Illyrians populated the valley areas that proved safe areas from the threat of flooding. Remnants of Illyrian urns can be found in the districts of Wilten, Hötting and Mühlau, whilst artefacts originating from an Illyrian settlement were unearthed on the hill at Vill. Numerous districts of present-day Innsbruck bear names derived from those of the ancient settlements, such as Aldrans, Lans, Igls and Vill.
illyrian tribes in the tyrol austria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raeti#Tribes
Against Strabo, Pliny considers the Lepontii as a Celtic tribe akin to the Taurisci and classifies the Camunni as an Euganean tribe, together with the Trumplini of the neighbouring valley, Val Trompia.[14] However, neither of Pliny's comments is fatal to the identification of the Lepontii and Camunni as Raeti. The Lepontic language has been definitively classified as Celtic, but it contains non Indo-European elements in a similar way to contemporary Celtiberian in Spain. This is consistent with a Raetic origin to the Lepontii and subsequent Celtisation. As for the Euganei, their linguistic classification is uncertain. It is possible that their speech too was related to Etruscan and that they could be considered a sub-group of the Raeti nation. Alternatively they may have been proto-Italic akin to the Veneti.
In addition, it appears that "Raetia et Vindelicia" was inhabited by a number of non-Raetic tribes also. The Breuni and Genauni are classified as Illyrian by Strabo, while a number of tribes in the region such as the Caturiges and Nantuates have plausible Celtic etymologies: from catu- ("fight" or "warriors") and nantu- ("valley") respectively.[15]
In addition to the tribal names supplied by the ancient sources, the Tropaeum Alpium inscription contains a number of other names which have been identified as inhabiting the territory of Raetia et Vindelicia, based on philology and proximity to documented tribes. Eliminating those tribes that are probably Celtic (on personal names) the following list of possible Raeti tribes results:
do you understand what it says???????????????
and what you wrote???????????
and what you claim??????????????????????????
pliny makes clear difference who are the Illyrians and who are living in Illyria,
Strabo just names parts of Illyrians,
if carni and the others were Illyrians then I am airplane,
Venetic is not Illyrian
Etruscan are another story and other the Illyria although they have connection,
the theory of Hans Krahe today is off,
the mistake that we make if we follow with his laws are tremendus. especially in balkans
krahe renamed the language of Dinaric celts to Illyrian.
the Alfoldoy describes clear and sends to bucket the Albanocentrist theory of Panillyrian based on krahe
in fact the ones that Krahe names Illyrian, Greeks name it Celtic
while the ones that Greek and pliny names Illyria is what today after Alfoldy and Pohl fits
simply if we had few words more from strabo or another one then we knew surely about the centum or satem of many Illyricum parts,
the Krahe theory which he connected also with prokomy is following the same theory you share
dialect = ethnicity while from 2000 his theory is over, Pohl proved the old moto of a living language,
so a language even if it is teached takes others forms or meaning in 2 groups even if communication among those groups is not cut,
Language is a living thing that transforms thru years,
the only who still use krahe are the Albanian nationalists
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