iapetoc
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I think that's retarded idea to ask reparations from Germany just because Greeks can not pay their debts today, time to turn the page of WWII finally, people.
these repetation start from before 60s
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I think that's retarded idea to ask reparations from Germany just because Greeks can not pay their debts today, time to turn the page of WWII finally, people.
The Marshall Plan in Spain.
Yes, but they still know that nothing is forever.
The Marshall Plan in Spain did not leave that has already seen the movie Welcome Mr. Marshall passed away. hehe
I think that's retarded idea to ask reparations from Germany just because Greeks can not pay their debts today, time to turn the page of WWII finally, people.
27 june 2011
source DER Spiegel
117 million E were given as gift to Greek politician by Ferrostaal
so to buy 4 submarines at a cost of 1.6 billion E
the submarines were classified as thrash by Greek officers cause they 'bound' above water, and are not well drive in medium and slow speeds,
Greek navy never delivered them due to their problems,
Yet politicians manage to sign part of agreement by taking 117 Million E !!!!
But existed also kinda mini Greek-Turkish cold war before the crisis, is not it? As I know Greece spent pretty big percentage of GDP on the armed forces. Greece provides around 200 thousands army size with 11 million population, for comparison Germany have around 180-200 thousands military size with 80 million population or Canada which have 60 thousands military size with 34 million population.
Greeks had low threshold of retirement (in some cases already from 53 years of age)
In Greece, the siesta is widespread, from 1pm to 5.30pm time of the rest.
+ Add the massive tax evasion & large social costs of government before the crisis = nothing surprising in today's financial problems really.
But existed also kinda mini Greek-Turkish cold war before the crisis, is not it? As I know Greece spent pretty big percentage of GDP (4.3%) on the armed forces, majority of European countries spent only around 1%. Greece provides around 200 thousands army size with 11 million population, for comparison Germany have around 180-200 thousands military size with 80 million population or Canada which have 60 thousands military size with 34 million population.
Greeks had low threshold of retirement (in some cases already from 53 years of age) combined with high lifetime among population.
In Greece, the siesta is widespread, from 1pm to 5.30pm time of the rest.
+ Add the massive tax evasion & large social costs of government before the crisis = nothing surprising in today's financial problems really.
In Greece, the siesta is widespread, from 1pm to 5.30pm time of the rest.
what about the goverment and private banks? and customs offices?Don't be fooled by the siesta Anton. The times vary and depend where in Greece you are and what you do but winter trading hours in my area are, 8.30am - 2pm then again in the evening from 5.30pm till 9 or 10pm, 6 days a week. Summer trading hours are 8.30am- 2pm and again from 5.30pm -1 or 2am, 7 days a week. The hours worked are actually longer than many other countries and the siesta is needed, I've done it and it is impossible to work those hours without the afternoon break.
It is only the public service sector or the government departments who work from 8.30am - 1.30pm, then they are finished for the day! The rest of your assessment on Greece is fairly accurate though.
But existed also kinda mini Greek-Turkish cold war before the crisis, is not it? As I know Greece spent pretty big percentage of GDP (4.3%) on the armed forces, majority of European countries spent only around 1%. Greece provides around 200 thousands army size with 11 million population, for comparison Germany have around 180-200 thousands military size with 80 million population or Canada which have 60 thousands military size with 34 million population.
Greeks had low threshold of retirement (in some cases already from 53 years of age) combined with high lifetime among population.
In Greece, the siesta is widespread, from 1pm to 5.30pm time of the rest.
+ Add the massive tax evasion & large social costs of government before the crisis = nothing surprising in today's financial problems really.
what about the goverment and private banks? and customs offices?
what about the goverment and private banks? and customs offices?
i am not sure about that. after the rise of china and india industrialized countries also in big trouble because of the increasing emtia prices and incompetitive rate of chinese products. these days only the countries having abundant natural source are comfortable like russia, norway etc.w.
THE MAIN PROBLEM OF GREECE IS NOT THE PUBLIC SERVICES PPEOPLE ARE PUSHED THERE DUE TO UNEMPLOYMENT
THE MAIN PROBLEM IS DE-INDUSTRLIAZATION THAT STARTED AFTER 1978,
i am not sure about that. after the rise of china and india industrialized countries also in big trouble because of the increasing emtia prices and incompetitive rate of chinese products. these days only the countries having abundant natural source are comfortable like russia, norway etc.
if greeces main income is service, it is a big advantage for the country. it means that with the growing economy in the world your income will increase. and you are away from the competition of china.
however, if you dont have industry, it means that you have an unemployment problem. US has similar problem, however it is not a big problem for them since they can print brand new dollars.
greece cannot print euro, so they must increase their income in the long run, and decrease their expenditure in the short term. you cannot touch the companies in the capitalist system, so the workers will pay the bill.
i believe both greece must cut their military and public spendings, and understand that turkey is not their enemy (turkey only hate greece, just like greece hates turkey). and focus on energy investment, efficient agriculture.
if we go on like this. we will still be underdeveloped countries in the last day of the earth. and we will give our hardly earned money to arm brokers for a stupid island, like kardak, where nobody lives.the case of hate is wnother story,
the case of grey zones story, the case of 12 miles another story, and the case of oil also another,
we both know that the case is ok peace but be ready for war,
the case of 1974 cyprus and 1998 Imia-karntak is a clear case of seek and hiding,
if you know well the history of Turkish economy then let me remind the Esso, Pirelli and another one corporation at 1970-1980,
from where they left to go to turkey?
the problem is not the turks or the greeks,
the problem is that our leaders drem to be Alexanders or Mohamet ,
in gact if tommorrow Greece say no to a USA command, the next day 80 turkish airplanes will fly above Aegian,
if USA say no do that to Turks, and they did not the next day Greek Navy will reach attalleia or Imbros island.
if we go on like this. we will still be underdeveloped countries in the last day of the earth. and we will give our hardly earned money to arm brokers for a stupid island, like kardak, where nobody lives.
i am not sure about that. after the rise of china and india industrialized countries also in big trouble because of the increasing emtia prices and incompetitive rate of chinese products. these days only the countries having abundant natural source are comfortable like russia, norway etc.
if greeces main income is service, it is a big advantage for the country. it means that with the growing economy in the world your income will increase. and you are away from the competition of china.
however, if you dont have industry, it means that you have an unemployment problem. US has similar problem, however it is not a big problem for them since they can print brand new dollars.
greece cannot print euro, so they must increase their income in the long run, and decrease their expenditure in the short term. you cannot touch the companies in the capitalist system, so the workers will pay the bill.
i believe both greece must cut their military and public spendings, and understand that turkey is not their enemy (turkey only hate greece, just like greece hates turkey). and focus on energy investment, efficient agriculture.
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