The climate argument is not plausible. Do people in warmer climates work outside?
I'm not sure if you have heard of air conditioning, it's a new thing
. Perhaps I should start a business selling it to southern Europeans because it's so much cooler here I can work faster, being generally more productive and revolutioninse the economies of the West with air conditioning units for offices!
America is very warm in parts and California is the US biggest economy I believe so that theory doesn't add up.
what? California has same Depth as Greece and bigger it is rich but full of Depths
simply the USA system works differernt.
Interesting topic of discussion. I have personally wonder why corruption was so high in rich places like Japan or northern Italy, where people obviously aren't needy. I had a look at the corruption index and saw that New Zealand was the 2nd least corrupted. It's interesting as the
GDP per capita at PPP (the one that should have been used for the above study as it reflects better the disposable income of individuals once adjusted for the cost of life) of New Zealand is lower than Greece, but Greece happens to be the most corrupted country in the EU (more corrupted than poorer Eastern European countries; incidentally a major reason why Greece is having so much financial problems at the moment).
So it doesn't look like corruption is related to poverty after all. Poverty surely has a detrimental effect on corruption, but if you compare countries of similar wealth and development, there will always be major differences in corruption level between them, especially if the language and culture are very different. English-speaking countries, for instance, have similar cultures and therefore don't vary much in corruption levels. Interestingly, even English-speaking countries where the population is overwhelmingly East Asian, like Hong Kong and Singapore, have very low corruption levels, whereas the country of their source populations (China, Malaysia, India) are very corrupted. One could argue that it is because they are rich city-states. However, Macau is about as rich, is just next door to Hong Kong, and yet has a much worse corruption score (5.0 against 8.4 for Hong Kong). So if anything had an influence on corruption levels, I would say it was language and (economic) culture.
As for the relation to haplogroup E, there is obviously some sort of correlation in Europe as the data shows. But haplogroup E is absent from Asia where there is also plenty of corruption. Perhaps the author suggested that some genes involved into the traits of character facilitating corruption migrated along with people who happened to belong to haplogroup E. If that is so, it would not mean that belonging to haplogroup E makes a person more corruptible, but genes involved in corruptible character tend to be found at higher levels where the average rate of haplogroup E is higher within a specific population. It's like saying that blond hair were spread by people belonging to haplogroup R1a. It obviously doesn't mean that being R1a is the condition to be blond. Being R1a has no effect at all on hair colour. But the incidence of blond hair does tend to correlate with the incidence of R1a in a population. Regarding R1a the correlation works well for Europe, but less well in Asia. It could be the same for E1b1b and corruption in Europe. If the original people who spread E1b1b around Europe had genes strongly favouring corruption, then it is entirely possible that a true genetic correlation exists between the two. Just keep in mind that genes are never the only factor in human behaviour.
I know about DNA and sentimental, some genes may give another degree of sentiment due to produce more hormons or started more easily by an enzyma,
I know about DNA and strength or working power, like E Ydna people, have best athletic results in many sports but not in sports like sphere
I just can not imagine what has to do with corruption,
well I am waiting the author of the trhead to explain what means with word corruption,
cause there are many corruptions,
now about Norway and sweden, hmmmm I wonder how much free land they have to use,
example from an area of 10 000 m2 or an area of 40 000 m2 the result is different,
If I give you the 2 fields and a tractor then surely the bigger will give better results,
I said about South Africa but no one answered,
1 company gets all the rich of South Africa,
if all south Africans had the diamonds of their land do you believe the GDP capita will be the same?
Now corruption has to do with tv cinema and life style,
in 1950 in Europe how many people smoking?
in 70s after watching John Wayne and others with a cigarette all day in mouth how many used to smoked?
the same is corruption,
ok Greece is corrupted now days,
but lets see the other case who is creating corruption
the 4 biggest late scandals in Greece are
1 the siemens case
2 the ferostaal case
3 the vatopedi case
4 the stock exchange and the Golmans sachs connection,
as you see from 3/4 the corruption is also connected with non internal cases,
corruption has nothing to do with who is losing, but also who is earning,
in the above example like Siemans why are greeks corrupted and not Germans?
why the richest land in the world Kimberly in South Africa lives in such conditions,
And on the other hand lets see the social corruption?
Are the south Asian corrupted for selling their Kids to some rich people?
well yes
but
Are the Europeans and USAers corrupted who buy that kids from south Asia????
hmmm
lets see the other case in time,
in early 80s people lived in Greece with opened doors and cars with no alarm
today they are afraid to walk after 8:00
why? cause that time due to low criminality the penalties were high and many cases reach the judge,
today law is so different that if I sent someone to judge I have to feed him for many days until the judge decides,
that is bringing extra criminality but not written in police statistics cause no body goes to report.
now about corruption and DNA
I believe corruption has to do with information, education, punishment, and media, and needs
when media all day show you 'famous women' you addicted to porn.
when the thieves are not punished then more thieves will born,
I wrote a thread about India and child marriage, as Pedophilia,
for me it is a social corruption, but no body answer,
what about pedophilia in today western world?
what is difference among europe and India?
simply we hide behind and don't marry the kids. which is more corrupted for me at least in a social degree,
I will go to nearby Italy,
When Italy had strong Mafia, the rates of development where high,
but criminality also,
today with low rates of corruption has also low rates of development, if compared with earkier years, but surely low criminality,
the subject is more economical to me,
about hong-kong lets go back and compare it with 70s corrupton where it was one of the highest criminality places,
corruption has to do with Chigaco theory of moving capitals,
when I move capitals from one area to another,
1rst I must break the older social structure,
2nd I must bomb their eyes with Dolce Vita, pretty woman, and consume my products
3rd I must create criminality, so normal people must afraid to talk or protest
4rth I must buy politicians to push my corruption work,
in1830 when potatoes came to Greece NOBODY EAT THEM AS IMPORTED CORRUPTED PRODUCT
after 2 years prime minister order to save them in national treasury,
in 2 years potatoe was a fashion and a delicacy
it needed 5 years to persuade a Greek about potato,
and today with media the next day all go and buy new product
Comparing with Time and the above I don't believe it is DNA the corruption, but mind and willing and sentimental,
simply DNA can give more sentimental degree,
like we both eat a delicacy but my joy is bigger than yours,
but the case of 1830 Greeks as corrupted with today also is more a social issue and a way to think,
at 1930 greeks loved their donkeys and despite the cars,
today they despite the donkeys and love cars,
corruption comes when a twisted mind buys the soul of a poor man who's dream is to live at least 1 day as a Sultan, to taste the forbiden to him
A child borned in an enviroment of critisism becomes a good judge,
A child raised in an enviroment of violence learns how to box
A child born in an enviroment of fortune hunt becomes corrupted,
Corruption in greece always existed, but ignition to high levels came after the 1950 with marshal plan
the times when whores get x10 x20 the money of a doctor in one night.
Arab countries are reach only due to oil...
correct but GDP belongs only to few families who give money to rest according their will.