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    The pelasgians



    well I open this thread just someone to realize who pelasgians were and what was their language,


    the Pelasgian is a language that exist even to moden Greek and some other language and is not IE,

    for example word
    Iasis = healing
    Okea = water
    Erebos = dark
    galene = peace
    Aloef Aloif = ointmenτ
    gois goessa = desirable , beutifull guzel
    naio = i flow
    Aga = ruller persian acha akkadian akka
    greek anthropos human from hath +roof (rup?) = human
    (ra-cena = ? καινο cana(an))
    laimos = neck , compare with Pontic and mountain Greek goula = neck IE
    Ellios = sun
    tele = away
    kottana = virgin
    rogchos = a breth sound, πιθανατιοσ ρογχος = last breath
    Peirithai = girls for mariage
    Di-faton = divine snake
    Uranus = sky
    kaino = new yeni


    toponyms
    mt Hymettus
    E -Mat-tia Ematheia
    Set-eia

    in Latin and etruscan we also found many
    these words also exist in Semitic languages
    both languages meet at Akkadian
    Akkadian is not a semitic but a proto or a pre semitic,
    from Akkadian split the Hattian and the south Semitic.

    I can give you sources and books if you want to find for your self,

    Pelasgian is the pre thyrrenian,
    early minoan - phillistine, thettalian, athenean etc

    search for homer who are they,

    1) Iliad cataloque of ships
    2) The Odyssey, 17.175-177
    3) Iliad, 7.467; 14. 230
    4) Iliad, 2.681-684; 16.233-235
    5) Iliad, 2.750

    Herodotus
    at Placie and Scylace on the Asiatic shore of the Hellespont;
    near Creston on the Strymon; in this area they have "Tyrrhenian" neighbors (Persian Wars 1.57).

    thoukidides
    Thucydides (2.17)
    Thucydides (4.106)


    The historian Ephorus preserves a passage from Hesiod that attests to a tradition of an aboriginal Pelasgian people in Arcadia, and developed a theory of the Pelasgians as a warrior-people spreading from a "Pelasgian home", and annexing and colonizing all the parts of Greece where earlier writers had found allusions to them, from Dodona to Crete and the Troad, and even as far as Italy, where again their settlements had been recognized as early as the time of Hellanicus, in close connection once more with "Tyrrhenians."

    instead of Arcadia put the Theba we have the myth of Pelasgians


    The connection with Tyrrhenians which began with Hellanicus, Herodotus and Sophocles becomes confusion with them in the 3rd century, when the Lemnian pirates and their Attic kinsmen become plainly styled as Tyrrhenians, and early fortress-walls in Italy (like those on the Palatine Hill in Rome) appear as "Arcadian" colonies. The character of the ancient citadel wall at Athens has given the name "Pelasgic masonry" to all constructions of large, unhewn blocks fitted together with mortar, from Asia Minor to Spain, the massive character that has also been called "cyclopean"

    Arcado-Cypriot vs Akkado-phoenician ?
    Cadmus brother of Phoinix,?

    Hattians that time were in Both Cyprus and Levant

    the tittle akka = king in akkadian we find later in Persian and Greek also
    as acha and aga and in Sophocles as Anakka anax
    after we find the word ηγε-μων aga becomes ege

    so since someone are in hurry to put Akkadian and Hattian in semitic
    let me remind them that from Akkadian sprung both Hattian-minor asian, and south Semitic
    this theory is developed by many,

    comparing words we find that a western form is more dental
    like γαληνη (whalene) and salem s->γ wh

    taranis you know why and you can explain it

    another issue is the u->o
    Uranus ->uranos

    other areas we found Pelasgian is Smyrna Area Iona

    that language is connected with Eteo-cretan or Hath-cretan attica or Hathi-con
    chaonia or Hath-on-ia

    comparing the areas is Miletus and probably its colonies
    East Crete (seteia is most not invaded area)
    Athens (but it is many times invaded and 1 genocided)
    Epirus and especially north
    area around troy and propontis channel
    east and beside Chalkidike river strymon
    Thessaly north and around mount olymp
    Arcadia peloponese and north shores


    other connections

    Turkish scholar, Polat Kaya, has recently offered a translation of one of the inscriptions on Lemnos, based on his theory that it reflects a language related to Turkish. However, in the period of the putative date of the inscription the Turkish people lived several thousand miles away in southeastern Siberia. They began to migrate westward only about 300 AD, a fact that has hindered acceptance of Kaya's translation. This theory is almost unanimously ignored by scholars.

    Georgian scholars M.G. Tseretheli, R.V. Gordeziani, M. Abdushelishvili, Zviad Gamsakhurdiaconnect the Pelasgian with the Iberian-Caucasian cultures of the prehistoric Caucasus, known to the Greeks as Colchis. This may sound plausible since there were many autochthonic Caucasian peoples dwelling in Anatolia such as the Hattians before the arrival of the Indo-Europeans.

    French Zacharie Mayani put forth a thesis that the Etruscan language had links to the Albanian language. This thesis places the Albanian language outside the group of Indo-European languages sharing one branch with Etruscans as well as ancient Greek. Nermin Vlora Falaschi published a translation of the Lemnos stele on this basis, with the help of Arvanite Albanian. The references below by Falaschi, Catapano, Marchiano, Mathieu Aref, Faverial, D'Angely, and Cabej support this point of view.

    Romanian scholar Nicolae Densusianu considered the Pelasgian to be a proto-Latin speaking people. He offered a translation for the inscriptions on Lemnos in his study, Dacia Preistorica.

    in fact we speak about a language that stand with foot in Etruscan-Latin language and one in Semitic language.

    A Hebrew PHD of Tel-Aviv Jehunda gives clear connection of Greek-Pelasgic with Hebrew-Aramaic and puts them both in Syrria and Cilicia, I heard about 1800 words that used by Hesychius

    A greek Thomopoulos has recorded Greek and Albanian Pelasgic although inputs some celtic

    the linguistic simmilarity is proved by many
    on the other hand
    we have Bulgarian Georgyev who places them in IE Thracian

    an interesting thesis is
    Robert Graves who connects them with N Ireland Welsh and west islands in Scotland, comparing their religion

    Alternate of Pelasgian I haven't found

    but I have found that name Leleges which is use example from Homer fir Miletus in Herodotus is named as Pelasgian
    same with name Courites in another author we find them Pelasgians


    if a gennetist is sure can give a gennetic connection
    comparing the Thyrrenians -Etruscans,
    and the Philistines especially Gaza area, the ones in iezekhiel are named Cretans.
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    I see now where you're aiming at. You mean "Pelasgian" as a (non-IE, presumably?) substrate in Greek? Well, let me say this, one crucial question here: are these words in modern Greek? Are they attested in Classical Greek or in Mycnenean Greek (if they are an ancient substrate, they without a doubt are attested)? Because, if yes, they would be obviously subject to sound changes.

    The most over sound change from classical to modern Greek is the treatment of φ, θ and χ. In classical Greek, these were aspirated p, t and k, respectively (hence transliteration as ph, th and kh). However, in modern Greek, they changed to f, th (like English "thunder") and ch (as in Scottish "loch"). My point here is: any borrowings from a substrate language would be subject to such sound changes, too, and would give us a different image of this language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    I see now where you're aiming at. You mean "Pelasgian" as a (non-IE, presumably?) substrate in Greek? Well, let me say this, one crucial question here: are these words in modern Greek? Are they attested in Classical Greek or in Mycnenean Greek (if they are an ancient substrate, they without a doubt are attested)? Because, if yes, they would be obviously subject to sound changes.

    The most over sound change from classical to modern Greek is the treatment of φ, θ and χ. In classical Greek, these were aspirated p, t and k, respectively (hence transliteration as ph, th and kh). However, in modern Greek, they changed to f, th (like English "thunder") and ch (as in Scottish "loch"). My point here is: any borrowings from a substrate language would be subject to such sound changes, too, and would give us a different image of this language.
    most of them exist in homer

    that is why i reject thomopoulos cause he inputs many celtic non existing either semitic either latin either turkish

    all words are ancient not modern

    and I am searching for Jehunda book but is very rare and very expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    most of them exist in homer
    Well, are they (or at least some of them?) attested in Mycenean (Linear B)?

    that is why i reject thomopoulos cause he inputs many celtic

    and I am for Jehunda book but is very rare and very expensive
    Homer is generally thought to have lived in the 9th century BC, no? That's six centuries before the Celtic invasion of Greece, and it's also three centuries before the foundation of Massilia - which would have been approximately the first time the Greeks encountered the Celts. Besides, the words sound totally un-Celtic. In a nutshell, Celtic origin makes no sense.

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    I don't know which words are attested in mycenean B
    and where to find them

    I am speaking of words that exist at 2 of a group that contains Latin Albanian Greek, non exist in Germanic slavic Celtic languages
    and also exist in 1 or 2 Turkish Syrria Levant Hebrew or pallaistinian

    these words also exist in Hesiod etc

    I am talking about dinaric celts the ones macciamo names Dorians

    the ones who try enter from illyria at about 2000 BC

    parts of celtic exist in Ilyria and Albanian language
    thomopoulos put them in Pelasgian with out connected with with Turkish or semitic that is why I disagree with him in many words
    like greek homer onar = dream Makedonian oneiron cretan anairon with albanian annere-andere = I heard about that but what about word ear (q-celtic), annere could be from ear and not from onar,
    so I don't trust him,
    also the world for sky alb kjielte which exist in greek as color κιελι -σιελ which is clear a non pelasgic word

    I have my own list and i surely do not intend to publish it,
    all are checked words

    for example the word aqua
    is in latin aqua
    in greek ωκεα
    in albanian uyie
    in turkish is su q,k ->s like gallene -> salem γ-> s
    and in south egypt as assu aswu


    on the other hand words like baazar greek παζαρι we can not put in compare because do not exist in ancient language although exist in modern, so such kinds of word are excluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post

    I read it, seems like, vowel 'ρρ 'r is typical,


    today I found about Orkho next to Pelasgian Theba an old village name Orkhomenos (menos from anger? or from μενω=dwell) probably means Orhoe dwellers, (Uruk)

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falisci

    well it seems like that is either a coincedene either an evidence
    compare the names Falisci Fillisti and Pelasgi
    they exist all in the areas that we were looking
    Falisci next to Etruscans
    Pelasgi in minor asia next to Greeks,
    Phillisti in Levant next to Phoenicians

    what may that means?
    that if it is not a coinsidence then we might have
    Semitic being a minor Asian Caucasian Language that moved to south and return
    that Latin Greek Phoenician Hebrew Palaistinian etc share a vocabulary that is not IE but pre-semitic (Yehunda's book)
    the Hattian one, from which later semitic languages sprung as they go south and then return with Arabs,
    Even that Alphabet is not Phoenician But minor Asian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    well I open this thread just someone to realize who pelasgians were and what was their language,


    the Pelasgian is a language that exist even to moden Greek and some other language and is not IE,
    Pelasgian is an exonym referred to different peoples.

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    @ Yetos: In my opinion, the Greek words "pelagos" (sea) and "pelargos" (stork) are compound ones, like "pe lagos" and "pe largos" which by the Albanian point of view mean respectively "liquid" adj. (or "of liquid"), and "from away" (the stork is a migratory bird).
    If it's the case, then "pelasgos" may be like "pe lasgos". Any idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Fao View Post
    @ Yetos: In my opinion, the Greek words "pelagos" (sea) and "pelargos" (stork) are compound ones, like "pe lagos" and "pe largos" which by the Albanian point of view mean respectively "liquid" adj. (or "of liquid"), and "from away" (the stork is a migratory bird).
    If it's the case, then "pelasgos" may be like "pe lasgos". Any idea?
    Hal Fao, stop posting this nonsense about "magically dismantling" words in languages via modern Albanian while completely ignoring any kind of common sense in terms of linguistic methodology. I've elaborated this on multiple occasions. Now you're running out of time.

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    Hello ! I'm new to this very interesting forum, and very interested in linguistics. The Circassians of the north Caucasus believe that they are descended from the ancient Hatti of Anatolia . They are a fascinating people who speak one of the strangest languages on earth , which is very poor in vowel phonemes but incredicbly rich in consonants .
    If you type in the word "Circassians" at youtube , you can see a fascinating video in Circassian which shows the ancient connections between them and the Hatti , and you can basically get the drift of what is being said with the maps of the ancient middle east and photos of ancient tools and statues etc .
    Circassian sounds like no other language you have ever heard ; you could almost it imagine it being Klingon rather than a human form of speech ! Just click on "The Hatti," .

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    You mean "ëndërr" for "dream" right? Or "andërr" in Gheg.

    I suppose "kjielte" is a reconstruction, as the actual Albanian word for sky is "qiell" from Latin "caelum" . However it reminds me of the adj. "kthjelltë", meaning "clear, pure, serene etc." As for the color, there's "kaltër" meaning "azure" although it's often translated as "blue", which I don't see how they're related.

    I'm not doubting you checked the words, but it's "ujë" not "uyie".


    On topic, was the word "gaia" mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemra View Post
    iapetoc

    You mean "ëndërr" for "dream" right? Or "andërr" in Gheg.

    I suppose "kjielte" is a reconstruction, as the actual Albanian word for sky is "qiell" from Latin "caelum" . However it reminds me of the adj. "kthjelltë", meaning "clear, pure, serene etc." As for the color, there's "kaltër" meaning "azure" although it's often translated as "blue", which I don't see how they're related.

    I'm not doubting you checked the words, but it's "ujë" not "uyie".


    On topic, was the word "gaia" mentioned?
    you are right,
    thank you for corecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post

    No I dont speak about IE,

    Ορχομενος is not Αρχομενος= Start - ruler-supreme
    Orhomenos = Orc dwellings the later Turkish Uruk-Yuruk dwelling

    the link is giving 2 IE dialects,

    I say about a language that was spoken near Akkadian relative to Elamitic and south Caucasian and words that can exist in modern Turkey, Latin-ETruscan, Greek, Albanian.

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    Yetos,

    could you please give the title of the book and the full name of Yehunda, I would like to search for it.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBS View Post
    Yetos,

    could you please give the title of the book and the full name of Yehunda, I would like to search for it.
    Thanks
    Yes author is Josep(h) Yahunda,
    there are 3 books

    the most easy to find is 'Hebrew is Greek' cause it was quite big edition,
    well leave outside some nationalistic coments and search the vocabulary given.
    the other is very limited and rare. a lexicon of Elamitic and IE common common vocabulary.
    and a third named Obidos (Abydos) which is only for colectors when I try to find it.
    the last 2 I only heard about their existance, never found or see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Yes author is Josep(h) Yahunda,
    there are 3 books

    the most easy to find is 'Hebrew is Greek' cause it was quite big edition,
    well leave outside some nationalistic coments and search the vocabulary given.
    the other is very limited and rare. a lexicon of Elamitic and IE
    and a third named Obidos (Abydos) which is only for colectors when I try to find it.
    the last 2 I only heard about their existance, never found or see them.
    Thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Fao View Post
    @ Yetos: In my opinion, the Greek words "pelagos" (sea) and "pelargos" (stork) are compound ones, like "pe lagos" and "pe largos" which by the Albanian point of view mean respectively "liquid" adj. (or "of liquid"), and "from away" (the stork is a migratory bird). If it's the case, then "pelasgos" may be like "pe lasgos". Any idea?
    Hal Fao, stop posting this nonsense about "magically dismantling" words in languages via modern Albanian while completely ignoring any kind of common sense in terms of linguistic methodology. I've elaborated this on multiple occasions. Now you're running out of time.
    As a matter of fact, the word "pelag-os"~~the sea
    is grafically very similar to the Albanian one : 'pellg'

    English (3 entries.)------- Shqip (3 hyrje.)
    pool (n)---------------pellg {m} (tsh pellgu) (sh pellgje)
    puddle-----------------pellg {m} (tsh pellgu) (sh pellgje)
    backwater-------------pellg {m} (tsh pellgu) (sh pellgje)

    It is also very reasonable to consider the sea a 'big puddle' or a 'big pool', and this is reflected in the root of the word itself in several languages:

    pelag(os)["Greek"]---------pool[Eng]--------pellg[Alb]

    What I can prove with a high level of accuracy, is that the cluster lg in Albanian pellg, is the result of the primitive verb contraction, of the c-v-c system LAG



    It is obvious that this verb, is the root for many many "big-paddle" names in many languages, for example:

    lag-----------> lago(ital)~~lacus(lat)~~~lake(eng)

    As many time proven, Albanian language preserves better than any other European one, the primitive verbs of a primordial language, which are the base of a wider paneuropean lexicon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    As a matter of fact, the word "pelag-os"~~the sea
    is grafically very similar to the Albanian one : 'pellg'

    English (3 entries.)------- Shqip (3 hyrje.)
    pool (n)---------------pellg {m} (tsh pellgu) (sh pellgje)
    puddle-----------------pellg {m} (tsh pellgu) (sh pellgje)
    backwater-------------pellg {m} (tsh pellgu) (sh pellgje)

    It is also very reasonable to consider the sea a 'big puddle' or a 'big pool', and this is reflected in the root of the word itself in several languages:

    pelag(os)["Greek"]---------pool[Eng]--------pellg[Alb]

    What I can prove with a high level of accuracy, is that the cluster lg in Albanian pellg, is the result of the primitive verb contraction, of the c-v-c system LAG



    It is obvious that this verb, is the root for many many "big-paddle" names in many languages, for example:

    lag-----------> lago(ital)~~lacus(lat)~~~lake(eng)

    As many time proven, Albanian language preserves better than any other European one, the primitive verbs of a primordial language, which are the base of a wider paneuropean lexicon.
    the correct word is pelash ->Pelasg and means flat
    and is also combined with
    English flat
    german Flache
    Latin planus
    Rus ploskiye
    Swe platta
    and since is IE then should exist in Albanian, and not because exist in Albanian should exist in IE.

    the word you are giving laga-lagur is the word for swamp or lake in IE
    Laggoon
    Greek Elos Telma Limne-limen (Ελος-swamp Tελ(α)μα(modern λαμωσα) Λιμην Λιμνη ιλυς= mud-clay Λάγος) (Βαρη Βουρκος Βαρικος Μπαρα is the heavy soil or slipery small pudles)
    and is connecting with Eels (Homeric Ελλυες-Ελλερον) etc


    compare
    English Float
    Greek πλεω πλοιον (πε+λε+ω -ε = πλεω)
    Slavic plavat
    Francais floatter


    the word Pelagos is IE and not Pelasgian
    Pelasgians is an exonyme that Greek gave to sea people before they name them Thyrrenians, and all naval people that came from sea.

    Indo-European is not an Albanian language, But Albanian is a sub-IE language,

    as for this
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    As many time proven, Albanian language preserves better than any other European one, the primitive verbs of a primordial language, which are the base of a wider paneuropean lexicon.
    why only you see it?
    are telling us that Albanian preserves better an IE word as expressed by Greek language aspirations?
    wow.

    maybe I get a punish, but

    Do you have any complex?
    at one post you say us that Greek is not a language but a church discovery,
    at another you say that Anatoli is right and History is written at 1600 AD , and you deny Nestor's cup as non ancient and at the other you show us a Greek script in Roman Senator (Συγκλητος) as ancient,
    now you are saying us what? that IE language is the child of Albanian language?
    or that Albanian is conservative and can preserve better IE words with Greek aspirations?

    What is your problem? what is torturing you?

    tell me after all your posts what shall i Believe?
    that Greeks spoke an Asian (IE is asian language) language and learn Greek which is a church language, by who's priests? but this language is better preserved in Albanian?

    Probably Church wanted Greeks to learn the primordial language, Albanian, but Greeks were bad students...
    I wonder did church also teach this primordial language,Albanian to India? but they were also bad and make it Sanshqrit?

    And I repeat my Shelf in case of misunderstood,
    Pelagos is the Greek aspirations of a IE word for flat, plain, and since is IE exist in Albania in the according aspirations,
    the existance of the simmilar sounds in both languages must check the aspirations,
    but it has >95% chance to exist in both languages since both are IE,
    the difference is what aspirations the language follows, from that we can guess a loan,
    with all the respect, Albanian is a IE language, and a special one, so simmilar words must exist.
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    Yetos, what's the etymology of "gaia" according to you? The common consensus is "of unknown etymology".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemra View Post
    Yetos, what's the etymology of "gaia" according to you? The common consensus is "of unknown etymology".
    there is no official etymology the word is Greek and exists in Greek only,


    some scholars also connect with Summerian language, and number 7 (KI) (7th planet in the system)


    now etymologies I can find many, if i use cheap methods,
    like pregnant, bucket, ship filled Kids woman, Volume(capacity, no void), grand mother etc but all non-oficial

    why have you any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemra View Post
    Yetos, what's the etymology of "gaia" according to you? The common consensus is "of unknown etymology".
    Allow me to answer that. According to the mythology
    Gaia Γαῖα, or Gē Γῆ, was the goddess or personification of Earth. Gaia was the great mother of all.
    Now try this dictionary: www.argjiro.net/fjalor and insert the word: gjë.
    The result would be:

    English (23 entries.)------------Shqip (23 hyrje.)
    thing---------------------------gjë {f} (tsh gjëja) (sh gjëra)
    all------------------------------çdo gjë, çdokush
    anything------------------------ndonjë gjë

    Sometimes "Gjë" was called "δᾶ" da meaning Earth.
    If so try to use the dictionary above, putting the Albanian word : dhe . The result would be:

    ground (n)--------dhe {m} (tsh dheu) {sh dhera)
    land--------------dhe (tsh dheu) (sh dhera)
    soil---------------dhe {m} (tsh dheu) (sh dhera)

    If the common consensus is that this is a Pelasgian word, you might have the answer right here, which nation is speaking their language now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Allow me to answer that. According to the mythology
    Gaia Γαῖα, or Gē Γῆ, was the goddess or personification of Earth. Gaia was the great mother of all.
    Now try this dictionary: www.argjiro.net/fjalor and insert the word: gjë.
    The result would be:

    English (23 entries.)------------Shqip (23 hyrje.)
    thing---------------------------gjë {f} (tsh gjëja) (sh gjëra)
    all------------------------------çdo gjë, çdokush
    anything------------------------ndonjë gjë

    Sometimes "Gjë" was called "δᾶ" da meaning Earth.
    If so try to use the dictionary above, putting the Albanian word : dhe . The result would be:

    ground (n)--------dhe {m} (tsh dheu) {sh dhera)
    land--------------dhe (tsh dheu) (sh dhera)
    soil---------------dhe {m} (tsh dheu) (sh dhera)

    If the common consensus is that this is a Pelasgian word, you might have the answer right here, which nation is speaking their language now.
    I knew it that Zeus is behind


    Gaia has no etymology,

    Scholars connect with No 7 of Summerian as KI (seventh planet from outside, planet Γαια-Γη-Κη)

    Although the transformation to ΔΑ meaning soil is lesser words like Ε-ΔΑ-ΦΟΣ (soil) (mainly the surface, or the ground we stand, or under the feet)

    it can be Pelasgian if we exclude it from IE (except Latin) and we find a connection with Akkadian- Semitic-Turkish-Kushetic etc.

    yet I have to ask some friends about some other connections like sanshqrit Armenian etc
    and possible transformations-aspirations

    Many of Titan names are consider Pelasgian, it seems like Hesiodus describes Pelasgian vs IE war

    the problem is that Zeus gives its own explanations,

    So planet Earth Γαια means all cause in Albanian gje means All and Thing!!!

    But I wonder?
    Zeus since Greek is Clergy Language why you try to Connect Albanian with a Clergy Language?
    why you have an avatar a God who Teach Greek and Latin to the world?

    and to Go more
    Gaia could also connected with Κυησις Γαυλος Latin Gaudeo (homeric Γηδευω)

    you make your own etymoly again,

    Go for an ISO, yout money ang glory by academics,
    why don't you,
    cause you know that you use Tricks,
    search the aspirations and the word given Bellow,

    mother of all you say but gje means ALL and Gjera means thing?
    what etymology is that?

    to enter more than your tricks,

    the ΔΑ
    ΔΑ means surface,
    E-ΔΑ-ΦΟΣ

    Instead of try to find anysimmilar in another language like the Kacha the Kaaba

    tell us where you found that GAIA is mention as ΔΑ?
    where?


    so ancient Greeks when say ΓηΓενεις mean born from All?

    so Zeus you have a mistake,
    which I am sure has an explanation,
    but in order to create impressions you just drop your stupid lexicon and the cheap meanings,

    tomorrow you will have your answers,
    i just send an email to a guy that knows IE and I will the explanation.
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    for those who interested Zemra search the word Kaaba of Arab and islamic literature,

    means stone? Earth? or Cube Κυβος.

    there you find an answer,

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