Slovenians , west-slavic, south-slavic or celtic

yes Scythian men Amazon women, but he also says that went away from Scythians following their own culture,

and Strabo places them south of KeltosKythae!!!

Just as I said, Uralic speakers lived north of Scythians not South. South of "Kelto_Scythae (whatever this is) is 1. the Caucasus, 2. Central Asia, 3.South Europe.
 
Just as I said, Uralic speakers lived north of Scythians not South. South of "Kelto_Scythae (whatever this is) is 1. the Caucasus, 2. Central Asia, 3.South Europe.

keltoScythae is somewhere east of Bastarnae (interesting word) around Baltic lands
Amazons are connected with Kimmerians and not with Skolotoi/Ashkuz
Sarmatians could be a Thracian female-Scythian male admixture.
tauriski where the first historical habbitants of Crimea but after we find them in Istria !!!!
 
keltoScythae is somewhere east of Bastarnae (interesting word) around Baltic lands
Amazons are connected with Kimmerians and not with Skolotoi/Ashkuz
Sarmatians could be a Thracian female-Scythian male admixture.
tauriski where the first historical habbitants of Crimea but after we find them in Istria !!!!

Ok good enough, but Cimmerians were predominantly an Iranic speaking group too. But they were close to Thracians must have been Thracian admixed.

[/The Cimmerians or Kimmerians (Greek: Κιμμέριοι, Kimmerioi) were an ancient Indo-European people living north of the Caucasus and the Sea of Azov as early as 1300 BC[1] until they were driven southward by the Scythians into Anatolia during the 8th century BC. Linguistically they are usually regarded as Iranian, or possibly Thracian with an Iranian ruling class.QUOTE]
 
I see a lot of confusion here.

Know this! 10th century is a whole different world from the 7th century, which is a totally different world from the 5th century.

Most people ascribe a modern mentality to these ancient people. They weren't nationalistic, they didn't fight to preserve their language,
they just used whatever they thought was beneficial at the time. Multi-ethnic tribal confederacies formed and dissolved, and the warrior elites were never a majority,
the majority was ordinary peasants, but only the elites left a trace for historians.

So, today some historians and most laymen ( wrongly ) tend to think that ancient states had firm and defined borders and identities, and that the usual ethnic composition was just like today
( today, people live in countries where the ethnic majority usually defines the identity, name and language of the entire population - back in ancient times, an alien tribe of 10.000 warriors could subdue 500.000 peasants,
and form the nobility of that mass of people, but from then on there was no blueprint on what would happen next.

There were no modern militaries occupying countries ( like Germans in Poland, or USA in Iraq ), back then, the people couldn't care less if they were ruled over by Avars or Goths, just as long as the taxes weren't too heavy,
thus there was little resistance from the common folk to new invaders.

When Ostrogoths "conquered" Italy, they weren't like the wehrmacht - they were more akin to a military hunta who gradually won political power within a state.

When Slavs came to the Balkans, they weren't like a modern invading force rolling with tanks and razing villages. The locals didn't define themselves as Illyrian or Thracian - the locals at the time probably were fully integrated into an Eastern Roman Empire style of life - they probably used Latin and Greek language and names and surnames, and probably some still used Dardanian, or whatever at home.

Ancient Empires were more like USA ( a melting pot ) rather than ethno-nationalists like Nazi Germany. The "barbarian" tribes weren't much different in that aspect. They had a tribal identity, but knew that they have to be flexible rulers ( just like their Roman or Persian or Chinese imperial role models ).

There's also a lot of confusion around haplogroups. Early medieval people were already mixed - for tens of thousands of years already!
All of the haplogroups came from Africa across Asia, and into Europe. If you roll back through pre-history, you'd probably discover that R1a/R1b or their ancestor "P" had some proto-mongolian features, and/or blonde and red hair unlike almost anything we can see today... and then many generations later, in 4000 BCE they entered Europe to find Europe was already populated by J and E, and G, and I etc.

But was it their first time they came across individuals belonging to other haplogroups ? No! These earlier populations in Europe also moved from Europe into Asia, or back into Africa.

The only borders that defined these ancient times were natural obstacles, like the Sahara, the seas, the mountains. That's the only reason why you don't get to see ( more modern ) sub-saharan African DNA in European populations, just like there's little European genetic influence southeast of the Himalayas.
 
""names them sauromates (lizzard eye in pure Greek)""
SauroMatae have Iranian etimology,
Sarmatian
man=man,
matae=men,
Modern Ossetian
mojnae=man, husband,
mojtae=men, husbands
Sauro-Matae(Men in Leather) around Don river
Iaxa-Matae(Royal men) around Don river
Iaza-Matae(Holly men) around Don river
Sar-Matae(Head men, Upper men, Mountaineers) in Caucasus mountains
 
""According to Heredotus and historically they came from further East of Scythia(east of the Caspian).""
About Scythians, according to Diodorus Siculus, they came from Araxes river, and according to Herodotus the Scythians passed the Araxes river, the first Scythian Kings (Ishpaka, Madyes, Protothyes/Partitava/Bartatua) were mentioned to the south of Araxes river
 
About Scythians, according to Diodorus they came from Araxes river, and according to Herodotus the Scythians passed the Araxes river, the first Scythian Kings (Ishpaka, Madyes, Protothyes/Partitava/Bartatua) were mentioned to the south of Araxes river

I don't know much about the topic people are arguing here, but I have to remind people that the Greek historian Herodotus is called "the father of lies". Its not wise to refer his accounts as true. Keep in mind he traveled in horseback and had no time to know everything.
 
"""GERROS Γερρος """
According to Herodotus nobody could find the Scythian tombs, these tombs were in Gerros region and close to Gerros river, it is possible that Scythians misinformed Herodotus about where the river Gerros was.
After the Herodotus, by other Historians and Geographers the river Gerros Γερρος was placed in the Caucasus
 
I don't know much about the topic people are arguing here, but I have to remind people that the Greek historian Herodotus is called "the father of lies". Its not wise to refer his accounts as true. Keep in mind he traveled in horseback and had no time to know everything.

Some Athenians called him "the father of lies"
Others called him "The Father of History"
 
Why don't you open some Afganic and Iranic, etc topic? What has this to do with the Slovenians here?
 
I don't know much about the topic people are arguing here, but I have to remind people that the Greek historian Herodotus is called "the father of lies". Its not wise to refer his accounts as true. Keep in mind he traveled in horseback and had no time to know everything.



you like it or not, fits you or not HE IS CALLED FATHER OF HISTORY, , and the descriptions he gives comparing later historians are at very high lvl correct accurant, besides the difrences among him and others are not to be considered,
 
"""GERROS Γερρος """
According to Herodotus nobody could find the Scythian tombs, these tombs were in Gerros region and close to Gerros river, it is possible that Scythians misinformed Herodotus about where the river Gerros was.
After the Herodotus, by other Historians and Geographers the river Gerros Γερρος was placed in the Caucasus

hmm so gerros could be modern Georgia by sources you have?

or a warmer land, a warm spring, etc
 
Why don't you open some Afganic and Iranic, etc topic? What has this to do with the Slovenians here?

because Slavic are connected with Scythian like milk and fungi in yogurt.
 
@ Alan
@ Robert6

in descriptions of herodotos we see some customs that existed in vikings, and even in 20th century in India,
like the burial of a woman next to dead husband.

if it is so, then Scythian reached and might overpass Baltic sea, and enter central India,
do yoy thing that is possible?
 
@ Alan
@ Robert6

in descriptions of herodotos we see some customs that existed in vikings, and even in 20th century in India,
like the burial of a woman next to dead husband.

if it is so, then Scythian reached and might overpass Baltic sea, and enter central India,
do yoy thing that is possible?
it is a Sati practice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

Maykop(proto-Kurgan) culture in western Caucasus had Sati practice
And Neolithic Globular Amphora culture(haplogroup G) in Poland-Germany had Sati practice
 
it is a Sati practice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

Maykop(proto-Kurgan) culture in western Caucasus had Sati practice
And Neolithic Globular Amphora culture(haplogroup G) in Poland-Germany had Sati practice

so Herulli and Vikings could adopt it from Globular amphora cult?
or came from Asia to Europe and ended (time end) in vikings?
 
The tribe Gerri lived around the river Gerrus it was in Cauc.Albania or in Sarmatia Asiatica(Caucasus)

Some scholars say that Ptolemy's Gerrus river is Koisu or Terek river or Kuma river

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...raphia_1467_-_Central_Russia_and_Sarmatia.jpg

http://books.google.gr/books?id=Q00...ion to the Study of Ancient Geography&f=false

strange cause Γερρος reminds me the Γηραιοι Γραιοι Graioi Greeks although I don't say that scythians search for Greece, the sound simmilarity is ...
 
so Herulli and Vikings could adopt it from Globular amphora cult?
or came from Asia to Europe and ended (time end) in vikings?

The people of Globular amphora culture migrated out of central Europe towards Caucasus and Asia long time ago.


So possibly it is more recent,
pre-Vikings(?) were influenced by Huns(?).
Vikings had the "Sword from Hunnic land".
 

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