Autosomal map : Mediterranean admixture (from Dodecad)

Thank you for your reply!

But there's just way to much Mediterranean admixture in Africa. Also Semites who are originaly from the Levant, like Jews, Palestinians, Jordanians, Assyrians, Lebanese have very much of these admixture too, while non-semitic folks in the region, like Iranians and Caucasians don't have that much of it.

I mean Jews have for about 35% of it while Adygei only 8,3%.

Is the Mediterranean admixture JEWISH, since it's the most important and biggest component in them?
The meditarreanean element in North-Africa could be explained by the presence of south-european mtDNA such as H1,H3,V it's definately paleolithic.
 
According to the study I posted in the other thread, H1 + H3 in North Africa represent 55%. V is not included, I found a source also posted giving +8%. So it's the most likely explanation.

E-M78, in my opinion, simply diluted and was replaced by West Asian, Southwest Asian, and indigineous Southern Europeans. However, I agree to consider J2 and G2a subcaldes to be part of an Eastern Mediterranean/Southeast European element, as well as MtDNA haplogroups.
 
By the way the northern strip of North-Africa is wrong, since Northern-Moroccans have 28% mediterranean, should be in the 20-30% range.
 
Iraq was the only country missing in the data list from the Middle East, so it's good to know. Does the person you know from the Iraq-Iran border have a Dodecad number ? If not could you send me a PM with the admixtures percentages ?

I have sent you a PM.
 
Due to its geographic spread I would bet that with the Mediterranean component, it's not so much it has non-European elements to it but whatever that component is, obviously transcends continental boundaries and represents shared origin throughout, thus I'd bet this component is one of the oldest.
 
Probably the oldest one, that's the main reason. West and East European are also quite widespread. Between the Nepalese for example you find more West and East European than Mediterranean, and the same happens between the Indians. It does not necesarily mean you must include non European influence.

For example, Catalans have very high Mediterranean, and the little haplogroup E it is obviously read as Northwest African. It means the low Eastern Mediterranen between them can't be atributted to E peoples, it must be atributed to some G2a's, J2's (possibly J2b) and perhaps R1b-L11.

The fact is Iberians are mainly Southwestern, so they have little to do with Eastern Mediterranean peoples. Of course, I guess we carry some Eastern Mediterranean/Southeast European, but surely the lowest in all Southern Europe. Without considering the fact there's very low West Asian and Southwest Asian in Iberia, wich makes this even less significant. Take your own conclusions.
 
Well, we have some new information about this mysterious mediterranean component. Today Dienekes made an extra-polation with other project components (MDLP) using zombies (virtual people who are 100% one component) and the results for this Mediterranean component is surprising. The Celto-Germanic component of MDLP is, when translated to Dodecad mostly Mediterranean , and the other way around the Mediterranean of Dodecad is a mix of Celto-Germanic, Balto-Slavic, and Balkans-Anatolia
 
The Mediterranean is possible to be read in different ways, like the latest Calculator shows. Seems clear that the SNP's choiced by Dienekes showed the Southwestern side, since it's the most dominant in Western Europe from South to North in the specific division. For this reason, I think admixture selected this variant before Southeastern. And also, because the last one needs to be broken down properly, and separated from Southwest Asian as clearly as possible.

For Western Europe the latest Euro7 Calculator gives a good idea, but as you go Eastern direction, more difficult is to make the interpretation. We'll see if the new Dodecad v4 gives a more clear idea, hoping it will be based on the same components.
 
Interesting map!

I believe that the Mediterranean admixture in most folks in Asia & Africa is not from Europe!
If it was from Europe, 'Northwest European admixture' was there in very high ammounts too!

I believe that the Mediterranean admixture in Asia is Semitic/Jewish and native to the Levant, since it's very high among the native people of the Levant, but Northwest-European-admixture is almost abscent there! So it's not from Europe!

I mean these 2 maps don't correlate with each other outside Europe!

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Northwest-European-admixture.gif
why did they must correlate one with another? in every country it could have been a lot of different historic events and colonization, not?
this "mediterranean" admixture is partially linked, I suppose, to climate, plagues, and very influenced too by mothers absent from the Y-DNA surveys. HG's are statistically linked to others genes, biallelic, and it's interesting and very tempting trying to see linked repartitions in today populations (I do too) - but the very wide spread HG's did setlle a long time ago yet in very far countries and their bearers sometimes (not evreytime) mixed with populations and bearers of other non close Hg's - with time they could have acquirred a lot of "foreign" autosomals - I believe that I2a1 (old nom. sorry) could have taken some Western mediterranean traits as could do E1b-V78 - but I should be curious to know on what extensive samples are founded these studies, because some genes could have been in a very ancient shared part of the genome in some populations, even irrespective to present days geography an climate, and to old to tell something us at the scale of Proto-History. Somewhat, these "mediterranean" genes evoque for a part old autochtonous population of the LGM refuges West of Ukraina and Caucasus...
Aside of that, I red some surveys telling us that as a whole mt DNA was not so different between the whole populations of Mediterranée, West or East, included Near-Eastern ones, and that the gape is more between Near-Easterners and South Arabic regions. What do you think?
 
Due to its geographic spread I would bet that with the Mediterranean component, it's not so much it has non-European elements to it but whatever that component is, obviously transcends continental boundaries and represents shared origin throughout, thus I'd bet this component is one of the oldest.

Good thoughts. I think "Mediterranean admixture" genetically represents the epipalaeolithic Combe-Capelle (9500 y old) and partially even Cro-Magnons. I know that the traditional assumption is that those Palaeos mainly moved back to the north when the ice melted, such that today many North-West Europeans consider themselves to be descendants of Palaeolithic Europeans. I question that. Why should Palaeos move back completely? I think most of them have adapted to the mild climate of South Europe, while only few went back to the north. From skull finds we know that Cro-Magnon skull was not the only skull shape during palaeolithic, but also Combe-Capelle was very important, although it was just from the Epipalaeolithic (7600 BC) and possibly did not yet exist in europe before. Yet it could have merged with the earlier Cro-Magnons. Combe-Capelle is very different from Cro-Magnon skulls: It is long-faced, roundish and dolichocephalic, which as a basic type is the dominant type in many mediterranean countries: Portugal, Spain, Sardinia, Bulgaria.

Pro-Arguments:

- The map for autosomal mediterranean admixture indicates an epicentre in western mediterranean, suggesting to be autochtonous for a long time, rather than being neolithic.

- The map shows wide and even diffusion of that cluster, even into neighbouring continents, suggesting to have had enough time for diffusion.

- Mediterranean cluster significantly extends to North-West Europe, a region that has been less covered by ice.

- No reason why to believe that those glacial refuge areas have been entirely abandoned by those refugees.

Conclusion: North-West-Europeans are a mix of "Mediterranean" (late Palaeolithic) and Indo-European "NW-European component" (probably carriers of R1b). BTW, the indo-europeans themselves might well have had a Cro-Magnoid look, according to Gimbutas.

 
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I2a1 + G2a + E1b1b

I think Mediterranean admixture, instead of West Asian (which is phenotypically mediterranean, too, but an "eastern" variant) has an older origin and in Europe was carried until early Neolithic.
In fact, Sardinia has the highest percentage of this admixture, and its people is known as an early neolithic people, with a high percentage of Mesolithic I2a1a and early Neolithic G2a haplogroups... and a lower percentage of Bronze Age J2 (typically West Asian admixture) than the rest of Italy.
 
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I'm southern Moroccan I have 25% Mediterranea according to the dodecad, the map shows 10-20% not accurate for my results.
 
Using Dodecad v3 still gives very good results

My fathers results

Admix Results (sorted):


#PopulationPercent
1West_European36.13
2Mediterranean34.25
3West_Asian12.56
4East_European9.04
5Southwest_Asian6.12
6Northwest_African1.17
7Southeast_Asian0.29
8Palaeo_African0.26
9Neo_African0.15
10South_Asian0.03

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Tuscan (Henn)8.78
2Tuscan (Xing)9.19
3TSI (HapMap)9.36
4
N_Italian (Dodecad)10.78
5O_Italian (Dodecad)14.02
6Portuguese (Dodecad)15.51
7North_Italian (HGDP)15.71
8
French (Dodecad)16.12
9French (HGDP)16.22
10Slovenian (Xing)16.53
11Tuscan (HGDP)16.77
12IBS (1000Genomes)17.37
13Spaniards (Behar)17.68
14
Spanish (Dodecad)17.92
15Romanians_14 (Behar)18.49
16Hungarians (Behar)18.69
17Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)18.97
18CEU (HapMap)19.04
19
C_Italian (Dodecad)19.3
20N._European (Xing)20.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
160.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.14



and mine below
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_European35.5
2Mediterranean33.55
3West_Asian13.97
4East_European9.92
5Southwest_Asian5.3
6Northwest_African1.5
7Neo_African0.09
8Palaeo_African0.09
9South_Asian0.07

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Tuscan (Henn)8.75
2Tuscan (Xing)8.9
3TSI (HapMap)9.16
4
N_Italian (Dodecad)11.36
5O_Italian (Dodecad)13.93
6Slovenian (Xing)15.81
7North_Italian (HGDP)16.41
8
Portuguese (Dodecad)16.79
9Tuscan (HGDP)16.9
10French (HGDP)17.19
11
French (Dodecad)17.2
12Romanians_14 (Behar)17.27
13Hungarians (Behar)17.92
14Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)18.3
15IBS (1000Genomes)18.68
16
C_Italian (Dodecad)19.03
17Spaniards (Behar)19.06
18
Spanish (Dodecad)19.27
19Balkans (Dodecad)19.37
20CEU (HapMap)19.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 52.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 47.5% German (Dodecad) @ 1.35


I bolded the dodecad samples .................It seems by mothers influence added a bit more italian into me than what my father did
 
Interesting difference
 
Hey all. I don't really know how to interpret these results. Using dodecad v3 these were my results(btw I am Albanian):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 38.16
2 West_European 25.04
3 West_Asian 20.54
4 East_European 8.96
5 Southwest_Asian 5.87
6 Northwest_African 1.28
7 Northeast_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 6.18
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.61
3 TSI (HapMap) 7.07
4 Tuscan (Henn) 7.1
5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.78
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 10.11
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 10.53
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.83
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.48
10 Greek (Dodecad) 12.84
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.1
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.52
13 Romanians_14 (Behar) 14.82
14 S_Italian (Dodecad) 16.01
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.08
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 16.66
17 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 18.98
18 Balkans (Dodecad) 19.86
19 Portuguese (Dodecad) 22.6
20 Sardinian (HGDP) 23.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 33% German (Dodecad) @ 1.77
2 77.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.77
3 76.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 23.5% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 1.83
4 76.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 23.6% British (Dodecad) @ 1.84
5 76.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 23.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.92
6 74.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 25.3% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.99
7 75.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 24.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 2
8 74.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 25.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.1
9 85.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.11
10 74.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.8% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.23
11 65.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.5
12 65.6% Tuscan (Henn) + 34.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.65
13 65.8% TSI (HapMap) + 34.2% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.67
14 78.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 21.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.72
15 75% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 25% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.73
16 60.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.3% Slovenian (Xing) @ 2.73
17 85% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 2.73
18 71.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.81
19 70.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.83
20 69.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.7% German (Dodecad) @ 2.88
 
My admixture results

Half Lucanian and Half Sicilian

#PopulationPercent
1 Mediterranean 37.71
2 West_Asian 21.34
3 West_European 20.93
4 Southwest_Asian 11.22
5 East_European 3.79
6 Northwest_African 3.51
7 Neo_African 0.59
8 Palaeo_African 0.47
9 East_African 0.44

This test of Dodecad for me is the least accurate in terms of population mixes.
 
My admixture results

Half Lucanian and Half Sicilian

#PopulationPercent
1 Mediterranean 37.71
2 West_Asian 21.34
3 West_European 20.93
4 Southwest_Asian 11.22
5 East_European 3.79
6 Northwest_African 3.51
7 Neo_African 0.59
8 Palaeo_African 0.47
9 East_African 0.44

This test of Dodecad for me is the least accurate in terms of population mixes.
This calculator is quite outdated and predates anything we have found out with ancient data so far.
 
This calculator is quite outdated and predates anything we have found out with ancient data so far.

Makes sense, this test for me was the most way off in terms of oracle 4, which one is the most updated?
 
#PopulationPercent
1Mediterranean34.3
2West_Asian27.99
3West_European17.68
4Southwest_Asian10.69
5East_European4.81
6Northwest_African2.81
7Neo_African0.63

#Population (source)Distance
1Ashkenazi (Dodecad)4.18
2Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)4.76
3Morocco_Jews (Behar)8.54
4S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)10.48
5C_Italian (Dodecad)12.04
6S_Italian (Dodecad)12.88
7Greek (Dodecad)12.91
8Sicilian (Dodecad)12.95
9Sephardic_Jews (Behar)13.39
10O_Italian (Dodecad)13.9
11Tuscan (Xing)14.08
12TSI (HapMap)14.85
13Tuscan (Henn)15.02
14Turkish (Dodecad)16.7
15Tuscan (HGDP)18.17

[FONT=&quot]Using 4 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Armenians_16 + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + N._European @ 1.849716[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Armenians_16 + German + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.861409[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Armenian + German + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 1.941576[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Armenian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + N._European @ 2.018164[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Armenian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + Argyll @ 2.155078[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Armenians_16 + CEU + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.175092[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Armenians_16 + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews + Argyll @ 2.201028[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + TSI + Turkish @ 2.229323[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + TSI + Turkish @ 2.257721[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 Armenian + CEU + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.264643[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.338351[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Ashkenazy_Jews + Ashkenazy_Jews + Assyrian + N_Italian @ 2.338849[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Armenians_16 + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.367444[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Armenian + French + Greek + Palestinian @ 2.371409[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Armenians_16 + Orkney + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.373824[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Ashkenazi + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.385565[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.392817[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 Cypriots + French + Morocco_Jews + Turks @ 2.426138[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Ashkenazy_Jews + Morocco_Jews + Turkish + Tuscan @ 2.441977[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Armenian + Orcadian + Sephardic_Jews + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.443026[/FONT]
 

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