Are Dienekes' opinions any good ?

I supose the alleles listed by Interpretome are very clear to be from Neandethals, but the rest of alleles that we share...¿how to know if they were exclusive of Neandertthals or not?
 
Agriculture actually started in the Levant and south-central Anatolia, but didn't reach northern Anatolia until 6500 to 6000 BCE. This timing is perfect because it roughly matches the age of R1b1b2a (L23), which is the subclade that divides the Anatolia (later Greek) branch from the Indo-European steppe branch.
Ok, but the Neolithic started somewhere in the Zagros Moutains. Farming was there much earlier than you think.

"Agriculture: Moving back towards self-sufficiency.

Kurdistan is believed to be where humans first domesticated animals and planted crops. In a scientific publication by Rice University School of Science and Technology, it was reported, "Recent archaeological finds place the beginning of agriculture before 7000 B.C. and animal domestication (mostly dogs used as hunting aids) thousands of years before that. There is some evidence that the people of Shanidar, in Kurdistan, were domesticating sheep and planting wheat as long ago as 9800 B.C."

http://www.kurdishherald.com/issue/005/article05.php
http://stillwatersministry.com/gobeklitepe.htm

Recently they even found 200,000 !!! (yes, you read it good) year old lanterns. It is only part of the discoveries of more than 100 historic pieces. Some of it are 10,000 years old, from the Neolithic era, like:

Some of the items were used for milling grain + including hammers that go back to the Neolithic era.

All these artifacts were found around Duhok, in Southern Kurdistan.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2011/4/state4977.htm

http://unitedkurdistan.net/ourblog/?p=1559

state4977.jpg
 
There is some evidence that the people of Shanidar, in Kurdistan, were domesticating sheep and planting wheat as long ago as 9800 B.C.[/I]"

That would be the oldest evidence of domesticated crops in the world. It's possible, but it's not what is usually accepted by the scientific community.
 
Ok, but the Neolithic started somewhere in the Zagros Moutains. Farming was there much earlier than you think.

"Agriculture: Moving back towards self-sufficiency.

Kurdistan is believed to be where humans first domesticated animals and planted crops. In a scientific publication by Rice University School of Science and Technology, it was reported, "Recent archaeological finds place the beginning of agriculture before 7000 B.C. and animal domestication (mostly dogs used as hunting aids) thousands of years before that. There is some evidence that the people of Shanidar, in Kurdistan, were domesticating sheep and planting wheat as long ago as 9800 B.C."

http://www.kurdishherald.com/issue/005/article05.php
http://stillwatersministry.com/gobeklitepe.htm

Recently they even found 200,000 !!! (yes, you read it good) year old lanterns. It is only part of the discoveries of more than 100 historic pieces. Some of it are 10,000 years old, from the Neolithic era, like:

Some of the items were used for milling grain + including hammers that go back to the Neolithic era.

All these artifacts were found around Duhok, in Southern Kurdistan.

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2011/4/state4977.htm

http://unitedkurdistan.net/ourblog/?p=1559

state4977.jpg

It is widely accepted among the archaeological community that agriculture started c. 10,000-8,000 BC in the Levant and spread from there. It is something very well documented in the archaeological record, and so far I have not seen anything to convince me to the contrary; sites such as Jericho and Tell Aswad seem to support this. Also, Göbekli Tepe is usually assumed to have been built by hunter-gatherers
 
It is widely accepted among the archaeological community that agriculture started c. 10,000-8,000 BC in the Levant and spread from there. It is something very well documented in the archaeological record, and so far I have not seen anything to convince me to the contrary; sites such as Jericho and Tell Aswad seem to support this. Also, Göbekli Tepe is usually assumed to have been built by hunter-gatherers
Ok, maybe you're right. I don't know much about this case.
 
Now that E-V13 has been found in early Neolithic Spain, it also disproves Dienekes' theory that E-V13 is of Greek origin and expanded during the Bronze Age.

Truth be told, I never understood Dienekes hypothesis there with a Bronze Age expansion, anyways. There's no evidence for a colonization of Iberia from the eastern Mediterranean during the bronze age, anyways, and certainly not from the Greeks. The first people from the Eastern Mediterranean to arrive in Iberia were the Phoenicians. The Greeks didn't have any presence in Iberia before the 6th century BC, and there certainly never was a large-scale settlement by the Greeks in Iberia (the impact of the Phoenicians is a bit more debatable, though, since Andalusia had an extensive number of Phoenician settlements).
 
Are we saying that E-v13 is phoenician or north african ?. If phoenician where does that leave the albanian question of e-v13?

I did previous place information that the phoenician reached the lower areas of adriatic sea to trade with the adriatic veneti for amber , which they sold to alexandria.

Could it not be phoenician and be Mycenean people. they did disperse from the pelopennes around 1150BC.
 
Are we saying that E-v13 is phoenician or north african ?. If phoenician where does that leave the albanian question of e-v13?

I did previous place information that the phoenician reached the lower areas of adriatic sea to trade with the adriatic veneti for amber , which they sold to alexandria.

Could it not be phoenician and be Mycenean people. they did disperse from the pelopennes around 1150BC.

I am not sure if you read well the new study, but this Spanish E-V13 is 7000 years old. It means that it was probably all over the Mediterranean in the Early Neolithic, and possibly some even before that. The Phoenicians and Mycenaeans are not thought to have propagated any significant amount of E-V13. If they had an impact, it is especially on the spread of haplogroup J2.
 
I am not sure if you read well the new study, but this Spanish E-V13 is 7000 years old. It means that it was probably all over the Mediterranean in the Early Neolithic, and possibly some even before that. The Phoenicians and Mycenaeans are not thought to have propagated any significant amount of E-V13. If they had an impact, it is especially on the spread of haplogroup J2.

I was trying to see where these two links would fit, one being an extension of yours/or not
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/11/y-haplogroups-e-v13-and-g2a-in.html


and the other
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068964/
 
Both greeks and phoenicians had a very small impact on Iberia, with that said, we can guess this minor E-V13 neolithic presence it came trough the Pyrenees from Central Europe.
 
The G2a surely came from there, but the E-V13 certanly could have crossed from North Africa even long before the estimated age of the sample. It possibly contributed with the other typical North African clades, to configure the small amounts of African admixture present in all today's Iberians.
 
E-V13 is very rare in North-Africa, while is the most common clade in the Balkans, and quite common in Central Europe, this sounds like regular neolithic farmers
 
Regarding Neanderthals, Dienekes made it very clear in his latest blog that he remains more than sceptical that Neanderthals and modern humans interbred.
 
I already posted this yesterday, Taranis. And still waiting for other points of view...xD
 
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