Stop posting outdated evidence then I'll take you seriously.Yes I am mad when people like you (who don't even read), in the name of the truth, repeat the same words, as the parrot, whithot trying to give any contra argument.
Out dated evidence.If you say it, I'm gonna leave it as you say ;)
Oudated evidence, albanians are everywhere were they are now because they were Muslim in the Ottoman empire, and had greater freedom of movement.f you have contra arguments...
- Tell me when albanians come into Balkans (don't tell me about any internal movement, field-mountain, mountain-field... addiction to invasions of others, remember here: Except Albanians, none of peoples of the Balkans was not native, they were all conquering...
Europe and the Turk: a pattern of alliances, 1350-1700 (Edition reprint)
Dorothy Margaret Vaughan
AMS Press, 1976
Or this one: Albanian indeed the right to look on Greek, Roman, Norman, Angevin, Servian, Ventian and Ottoman, as alike intruders whithin his own immemorial land
If there is a truly autochthonous race in the world it is certainly the Albanian race, as it is formed of the descendants of the Pelasgians and has kept for centuries the unique qualities of energy and intelligence which characterized its ancestors.
In the whole of Macedonia the Albanian language is spoken and the villages of Janina and Scutari are alone peopled by Albanians.
Public opinion, Volume 34
The Public Opinion Co.,
...in fact, but autochtons.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._3956048_n.jpg), from where ? (and why there are no any serious institution in the World, that confirm that migration)... ?
- Tell me how albanians called them self in middle ages, and what is the history of that name in this region ?
What do you mean no serious institution? its recorded when the first mention of albanians came to be by the Italians. Albanians called themselves what they call themselves now, shiptar. Its a big deviation to think that the Gheg albanians called themselves that and latter they used the term Shiptar.
you don't call yourselves albanian, you call ouselves shiptar, its a very big difference.- Tell me why they now are still called Albanian, and what is the history of this name in this region ?
These two don't make sence. Illyrians didn't retreat into the mountains and call themselves shiptar, thats albanian nationalistic history you are talking. Shiptars arrived in albanian in the middle ages.- Tell me why albanians, when after all thraco-illyrian (from Illyria, Macedonia & Epir region) tribes, retread in the mounains around the Illyrian tribe Albanoi, decided to call themself shqiptar (what is the meaning of this name) ?
Shiptars didn't just live in mountains, so this doesn't matter. The slavs also live in mountainous regions yet you say they are invaders? double standards of logic?- Tell me why albanians lived in the mountains and latter the slavs in the fields ?
- Tell me who are the native, those who live in the mountains, or those who live in the fields ?
Illyrian and thracian words came form the "slavs". The others I can't comment on for the lack of knowledge.- Tell me why they have pelasgian, illyrian, thracian, etruscan, hittite... words in their lexicon?
Tosk dialect. Vlach influence. Direct greek influene in teh south and latin influence across the adriatic.- Tell me why they have greek and latin atrocities in their langauge ?
- Tell me how can they borrow so much Latin and a few Greek words, if they whould not live near them (greeks) or under them (latins), when they (latins) invaded Illyrian peninsula ?
From where ever region shiptars migrated from, their native language.- Tell me why some albanian roots and other small semantic units are in the greek and latin language ?
- Tell me from where are derived these albanian pure words (which are not greek, not latin, not slavic... but a particular language in their own) ?
except for they havn't, the Illyrian theory of albanians is similar to the dorian greek invasion of the penisula, its outdated and isn't taken seriously anymore, except for albanians.- Tell me why all international serious scientists (linguists), whith the method of comparison of the language, and etymology ... have reached the conclusion that Albanian is one of the oldest languages of the continent (are they all nationalist) ?
No it doesn't mean anything except there are many dialects.- Tell me why albanians language has so much sub-dialects (Dr. Robert Elsie was registred 137 of them, but there are much more); Does that mean that these people have lived in a wider region (about ancient greeks, or the elite of the region, they were barbarians= Pelasgians, or Thraco-Illyrian tribes... Epirotes, Macedonians...), but of the same culture (the same language) ?
This proves your nationalistic logic when you use terms as "greater greeks". Albanians need to start learning outside of theri nationalistic dogmas.Some albanian were able better to survive when they change their religion in Islam, because then the differences beetwen south slavic invaders and new greeks, became double (national & religious). Other orthodox albanians become the greaters greeks and slavs... you can see it today from their DNA ;)
Also I posted you the first constitution of the new Greek state in 1821
This is the approach that today Greece and "new greek nation" is formed. Here's the constitution of 1821 in Greece
because more than just greeks fought for the indepedence....is clearly seen in what basis the Greek state was formed, thus clearly stating that the Greeks had no need to talk Greek, or to have Greek blood, enough was the religion (ie Orthodox) and this policy made possible the absorption (or assimilation) of many other ethnicities.
Albanians don't have a survivial history, you just think so because thats your nationalistic construction. I don't care about changing your mind, nationalism is a disease that corrupts the mind.You have a great fantasy, but why you post in a thread about the albanians, when you don't now nothing at all about these people.
Albanians have a SURVIVAL history, and a CONTINUAL RESTRICION of the territory and population (what is still going on...!).
You call youself an intelectual yet you take evidence like the one below from the 1770's as fact.Albanian intelectuals have another job to do... how to make money, because we still are poorest people of Europe ;)
I think the most ironic thing about albanian historiography is they paint themselves as "natives' and slavs the invaders, when it's becomming more clear that the opposite is true. The people who live from croatia to the black sea (bulgarians) all speak a mutually recognizable language and genetics have proven them to be around for a long time. These "slavs" as most of europe calls them, are in a greater position to claim they decend from Thaco-Illyrian and the Thraco-Illyrian lanauge.
Albanians would never accept this because it completly put their nationalistic historiography on its head, and politically, this whole push to claim Kosovo as albanian native land though Illyrianization would be negated.
Maybe after tensions settle down Albanians can become more objective.