They were the descendants of Greeks who originated in Greece, therefore Genetically and culturally Greeks. Good you mentioned Jews, because Ashkenazi Jews genetically are most similar to other East Mediterranean people and not to Northern Europeans, although they've spent a long time living up North. Ashkenazi don't have more than 5% of North European genes on average. Diaspora stick together and doesn't mix with locals.
You say:
Some historians might lie or skew facts with their agenda but genes don't lie.
Are you speaking about this historians:
"..John of Amida also known as John of Ephesus records that in 581
"…an accursed people, called Slavonians, overran the whole of
Greece……and captured the cities, and took numerous forts, and
devastated and burnt, and reduced the people to slavery, and
made themselves masters of the whole country, and settled in
it by main force, and dwelt in it as though it had been their
own. ... And even to this day [584 AD], they still encamp and dwell
there, and live in peace in the Roman territories, free from anxiety
and fear, and lead captive and slay and burn..."
Another source, the so-called Chronicle of Monembasia, states that
in the year 587—8 the Turkic Avars (with whom the Slavs were
usually allied)
"…..captured all of Thessaly and all of Greece, Old Epirus, Attica
and Euboea. Indeed, they attacked the Peloponnese and took it by war;
and after expelling and destroying the native Hellenic peoples, they
dwelt there. Those who were able to escape their murderous hands were
scattered here and there. Thus, the citizens of Patras moved to the
district of Reggio in Calabria, the Argives to the island called Orobe,
the Corinthians to the island of Aegina.... Only the eastern part of
the Peloponnese, from Corinth to Cape Maleas, was untouched by the
Slavonians because of the rough and inaccessible nature of the
country... "
[Cyril Mango, BYZANTIUM: THE EMPIRE OF NEW ROME]
I don`t belive that these historians are part of modern nationalist agendas.
But i agree with you that are different scholars that are part of nationalist agenda, and here i include also genetic theories.
In theAlbanian, Greek and international academic circles, has debates related to the ancient Greeks Epirus Illyrians etc. My opinion is that this debate will continue maybe for more time, I think that the loss of the Library of Alexandria, was a greate loss for humanity,
second i think are political reasons , it`s my opinion.
There is no known debate in academic circles between Albanians and Serbs. Only some pseudoscientists, politicians and Serbian blogger try to make a discussion.
They start saying, Albanians are coming from the Caucasian Albania. Later began discussing about the toponims.This are serbian toponims for this reason this land is a serbian land. Near my city is a region named Mallakastra, there are different vilages in that region , Hekal, Varribob,etc. There is a village named Belishova , a slav toponim. And what? The Epirus is albanian , greek or serbian?
Later they changed strategy, aleluja they find Eldorado, they say according to the last genetic analysis the serbian are the descendets of illirian. Same with the croatian , FYROM is another story , they think that are descendants of Alexander the Greate.What? But they are slavs. There is a process in history named ASSIMILATION.
For the first time in history we hear that the invader is identified with the conquered.
There are 350.000.000 EU or more spent by goverments of FYROM to convince us that they are descendants of Veliki Aleksandrovic son of Filipovski. This is madnes.
I am here to speak about history, and we can not turn history into a branch of genetics, if the genetics explains everything let tell to the people to study the theory of the population bottleneck , about Mitochondrial Eve and Adam , we are all from Africa let speak about baboon, chimpazes. All clear.No, this is not history.
For your curiosity in FYROM are 300.000 albanian christian orthodox, I am not speaking about musslim albanians.
I personally prefere to read ancient and medieval sources. They are not contaminated by nationalism. Of course i read even modern author.
Medieval authors tell us that:
"…an accursed people, called Slavonians, overran the whole of
Greece……”
"…..captured all of Thessaly and all of Greece, Old Epirus, Attica
and Euboea. Indeed, they attacked the Peloponnese and took it by war;
and after expelling and destroying the native Hellenic peoples, they
dwelt there.”
Two different sources. I'm inclined to believe them. The medieval authors and other serious sources tell us that Albanians departed from Epirus and occupied large territories of Greece, on the continent and in the islands. And after
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Achelous_(1359) for 600 years they were the dominant population of Greece.
Are we supposed to take into account the fact?
How many albanians were in greek territory in 1821? There are different datas, starting from 15% to 50% of entire of poulations in greek territory. I suggest to use logic. In this part of the world named Balcan society was and still continueto be built on clan basis. The most important person is the head of the clan.
With all my posts i gave you the possibility to understand that the liberation of Greece was made by albanians. 90% of greek heros are albanian , large part of them did not speak Greek, including the first President and vice-president of Greece.
All the president of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Hellenic_Republic were Albanian origin, and stated that they were proud of their origin.
So population of Greece in 1821 was a mixture of, albanians, vlachs, slavs, turkish, gipsy and romei christian population, who can you call if you want Greek.
In 1923 it was the exchange of populations between Greece and Turkey.
Now the Asia Minore is the most bigest intersection in human history, center of two of the greatest empires. How can you tell me that those people are genetically pure? How can we call europian not greek :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karamanlides and other populations of Asia Minore just because are orthodox?
Ancient authors have said:
“Thus, the citizens of Patras moved to the
district of Reggio in Calabria, the Argives to the island called Orobe,
the Corinthians to the island of Aegina....”
I told you greeks like jews and Armenian are people of diaspora, Prime minister of Greece is originary from Egypt:
http://www.balkaninside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Antonis-Samaras-on-SYRIZA.jpg
If i would not knew i will think that this person is Prime minister of Egypt.
I live you to make the conclusion and I hope that you will make some references.