sparkey
Great Adventurer
- Messages
- 2,250
- Reaction score
- 352
- Points
- 0
- Location
- California
- Ethnic group
- 3/4 Colonial American, 1/8 Cornish, 1/8 Welsh
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I2c1 PF3892+ (Swiss)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- U4a (Cornish)
I2 clades have not moved very much since the Mesolithic, except perhaps I2a2 in Southeast Europe, but this issue remains indeed controversial.
I'm not sure that's quite true. We have:
-I2a2b moving out of Central Europe, probably with the Iron Age Celts
-I2a1a expanding on Sardinia
-I2a2a being an important part of certain expansions, especially Germanic (unfortunately probably as a minority clade just about every time)
-I2c-B expanding on the Eastern Mediterranean, especially Crete, and into Asia
...along with a few others. Although some I2 appears quite stationary (like Basque I2a1a, some of the small British minority I2's, "unexpanded" clades like I2b-ADR...), most have had some sort of apparent significant movement.
Then what pictures am I going to use to represent each subclade ?
This is the hard part. If I have some time later I can scout some out for you. I assume that you're thinking of doing pages for I2a1 (old I2a) and I2a2 (old I2b) in particular, and skipping I2b-ADR and I2c.
For I2a1, I'd definitely include something having to do with the Medieval Balkans, which we can all agree had significant I2a1b. Something representing the Kingdom of Bosnia would probably be appropriate. I2a1a is trickier because I'm not 100% sure when it expanded on Sardinia, so I wouldn't feel comfortable using their earliest tombs or anything. Nuraghes might be OK, though. We similarly can't be certain that Azilian culture was I2a1, but it seems likely to me, so it might be good to use Azilian artifacts.
For I2a2, I really think you should include Urnfield artifacts to represent I2a2b, as ancient samples of Urnfield culture have so far been more I2a2b than anything (6 out of 9). If there is a good picture of an artifact from the Lichtenstein Cave in particular, that would be even better. I2a2a is tough, though, because it always seems to be a minority everywhere, despite its ancientness and diversity throughout Europe. There's a good chance that British Grooved Ware culture had relatively high amounts of the now-rare I2a2a1 and I2a2a4 subclades, so maybe some Grooved Ware artifacts would be warranted.
I would be especially hard to make a page about your rare haplogroup I2c.
Yeah, though I think I2c could eventually get added to the main page. In case you missed it, here is the best-guess history I made based on input from fellow I2c Eupedians Kardu and haithabu. There are still some loose ends, like whether the Phrygians or the Galatians or someone else are most likely to have brought I2c-B to Asia, but it's a clean enough summary to start from before doing your own fact checking.