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Here is a first draft of Haplogroup R1b. I haven't modified the history for over a year, so I should re-read everything once and see if everything is consistent with my current knowledge. I should also make a new subclade tree.
Loved the draft, one thing though, on the scheme U152 is noted as R1b1a2a1a1b4 and in the table as R1b1a2a1a1b3
There are substantial changes in granularity in the R1b-L21/S145 haplogroup. ISOGG is fairly up to date.Here is a first draft of Haplogroup R1b. I haven't modified the history for over a year, so I should re-read everything once and see if everything is consistent with my current knowledge. I should also make a new subclade tree.
I see that in the Italo-Celtic Branch, you preferred not to name the subgroup in the Middle (Basque, Gascon-Catalan).
Might that have something to do with its not being Italo-Celtic? There is a rationale for leaving a subgroup off the chart (such as the North/South cluster of Z196) if its SNP has yet to be identified -- although that NS cluster is clearly not of Iberian origin, and is ancestral to M153. More problematic is omission of the parallel Nordic clade L238/S182, and several others, that don't appear to be Italo-Celtic, either. These little lacunae may make P312 still look sort of "Italo-Celtic," much as makeup can make a mature woman's face look sort of young. But the exercise doesn't prove any underlying truth about the theoretical construct. There may also be a little tendency to perceive these terms (including btw my use, for contrast, of "Nordic") as referring to modern ethnic or language groups that didn't yet exist in the early Bronze Age -- when P312/S116 was differentiating, and beginning to migrate (from the east).
Where does then, M126, M160 and M222 come into effect in the italo-celtic world. From forumdiversity site, these markers seems to be always prevelant in old north italian, swiss families
Maybe after Zorro?For whom is the Z named?
Thanks, for the update.I have created a new phylogenetic tree of R1b. I couldn't place all the deep subclades and also excluded the private mutations.
Thanks, for the update.
I noticed you are missing L165 (S68.) It has its own haplogroup designation from FTDNA and is on the ISOGG public SNP tree as well.
It fits under L176.2 as a peer to M167 (SRY2627).
EthnoAncestry considers it a "Norse Viking" marker.
http://www.ethnoancestry.com/S68.html
Here is the L165 project.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L165Project/default.aspx?section=yresults
It was an oversight on my part. It's now corrected. However I doubt that L165/S68 is a Norse marker. Almost all the project members are Scottish. Even if some were to be found in Scandinavia (like L21), it would surely be Scots who moved there in Viking times.
One sort of gets the impression that it's currently seems to be en vogue to assume that there was a Celtic presence in Scandinavia during the Bronze Age or Iron Age... (which I find very questionable, to say the least).
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