Its odd how some peoples posts that you/we reply to disappear!
Anyway, the INX link is also based on modern ( mussolini era) linguistic link which serve no purpose in my want of knowledge for this albanian people/language.
I presented logical questions trying to establish what these neighbours of ancient albanian spoke and why there is no link with them. FBS mad a nice comment but it was removed?
Clearly the link , states that Dalmatian language up to 16th century was illyrian based and was not linked to albanian.
Messapic , once said was also illyrian yet has nothing to do with albanian language, so what I am trying to say , is if these ancient neigbours of albanian where illyrian, then why is there no link with these languages.
If messapic , north picene old dalmatian are all different yet all called from the illyrian family , then ..........
If dardanian is a thracian,macedonian,illyrian mix then where is evidence of this language and it cannot be linked with the dardanian of the troad in anatolia because then that states the illyrian where also in anatolia.
Clearly, what i gathered is that every "illyrian" language was different and albanian was a language fabricated by it surrounding neighbours languages over time and had a chance to develop due due to its isolation in the mountains.
As we know , some languages can be forceful and domineering on other languages over time, like slavic.
The next part I want to know is what did the epirotes speak, the chaones, Mollossians etc etc, there are 14 tribes, was the messapic people in southern Italy who welcomed pyrrhus a epirote language and not an illyrian one. If so, then this eliminates the link with albanian.
There needs to be clarity in ancient albanians neighbours to find out who or where these albanians are
BTW, the tocco family where from southern Italy and was granted a claim from crusader days due to their historical links with the lombards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocco_family
There is also this to contend with
Since it was difficult to defeat Bato ( dardanian) militarily, Philip V ( macedonian) drew up a plan to set the large Germanic/Celtic of the Bastarnae against him. He proposed to them that he would open a way to the Dardanian State so that the Bastarnae could settle there for a while and later continue on their way through Illyria, finally reaching Italy. Philip's purpose was to wipe out the Dardanians and settle the Bastarnae in their lands, and send the Bastarnae to Itlay to lay it waste, leaving their women and children in Dardania. It was up to Monunius, the brother of Bato to confront the Bastarnae, as he succeeded Bato in 176 BC[8].
We have to contend with this bastanae people who originally germanic, deveolped due to its area in the carpathian mountains some dacian linguistic traits.
I always said that tribal languages are always Maternal while nationalistic languages are Paternal
there are a lot of maybe,
and a lot of guess,
Bastarnae could be, as anyone above the Cizarec's Line
but as Albanian is mostly after Anju and as Arbanon much before state of Arber,
so the known time of exist is about 1000 AD,
as language it is developed much North of today area,
there is also another Story that say that they are Visigoths from Byzantine Murcia that moved to Sicily and from there to ALbania after the Maniakis revolt.
Theories are theories,
the major point is that in known Historical chronicles it start to appear at about 1000 AD but it contains many Local non Northen Linguistic,
if you search History same times we have the foundation of Arbanon, the revolt of Maniakis etc,
after that we have establishment of Arber and then Albania,
the problem is that we have no evidence of big migration of population, that means that population existed already in the area
the only genetic differences is that both Arberesh and Arbanites have very lower quantities of E-V13 and big of I2b,
it can be a logical difference until a clear total apart difference,
the names you mention in another post show Normand or Gothic Germanic and Slavic as also the toponymes, a connection which fits exactly with Taranis thoughts from North of Line origin,
on the other hand the only before 1000 Ad exist of word Albania is Alvanopolis of Ptolemy, since no other evidence is to be serious except a ring which can be a Byzantine bless.
now lets see where in Balkans exist the name,
the first Historical known are the Dacian tribe of Albocense, mentioned by Maximus of Moesia,
we know that Dacians had 2 colonies in Illyria, and one is Germidava, probably build by Albocense and took name after them as Alvanopolis,
the possibilities that Alvanopolis create a 'nation' inside roman and byzantine empire are just a few, who did it?
but the possibilities to create an army under the bless of Byzantines is Big,
theories are theories so lets see some
my personal point is that Maniakis took Army from the North wild mountain parts of Romania or even North,
Went to Italy and after the troubles with Con/polis he return and Build Arvanon.
with Strong possibility that Germidava's primary language as also the later Huniades time migration
another theory gives that they came from Murcia to Sicily to Albania also as army,
another theory that I heard in a discussion yesterday,(first time I heard it and it can be just nonsess) about the early known names gives a para-Slavic tribe that did not came in touch with Cyrillic
Anyway the truth is that contains a vocabulary that fits with all known local area languages of past,
but its basic Form is new from North (Slavo-Germanic family developement)
so we probably speak about a language that prevailed all others but also assimilate all the before of,
and we do not have a huge nation devastation since Gennetic fits with the area major Hgs
PS I don't deny the Bastarnae case you say , simply I do not know about it and need to search,
but me personal believe is that we probably have an underground connection from Moesia to Albania since Germidava's establishment