Well, well, well...
This thread started well, trying to find the normally elusive (but sometimes evident according to the situation, as Muzungu well explained), and now we have it deviated to the "need to bomb Iran", because of the insistace of Kgnju.
By the way, recently the mayor-general Zhang Zhaozhong said explicitly "
China will defend Iran even with WW III if necessary"... so I don't know why precisely "Kgnju from Beijing ( 北京 )", brings that theme.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/12/chinese-general-threatens-us-with-world-war-3-over-iran/
Then, we have here some supporters of the idea that Iran should be bombed, and there are given some "bold" arguments about that.
(Curiously, Elias2 that is Jewish is the most moderate of all).
The things that I find most unconfortable, are the following two...
A. While I agree that Europe (specially Germany) is somehow moraly indebted with Israel - as Cimerianbroke said - I don't believe that that indebtness should be expressed as
enmity against other peoples.
I know that the theme of Jews/Israel is very sensitive
inside Germany, they are very sensitive about things like
Holocaustleugnung (negation of Holocaust) which one can comprehend, and some others that plainly do not make sense when seen from outside (
Holocaustrelativierung).
But after all, that are internal German laws and politics, which one should respect.
However, as the recent voting in the UNESCO showed, other peoples (the majority) in regard to the Palestinean-Israeli theme, do not feel any "indebtedness" or "Schuldkomplex" and they plainly vote as its own (according to me, more objective) concousness dictates.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/01/unesco-countries-vote-palestinian-membership
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B. The other thing in which I feel compelled to comment, is this statement of @LeBrok:
In this case it's more about survival and peace dictated in western terms, than equality and morality. I hope Iran is smart enough to see it
Maybe they
see it clearly, and they
refuse to obey?
(
... In the name of the Crown X, I declare this land to belong to the Kingdom Y... )
Remember that the Iranians just landed a 30 million USD drone (the most advanced and expensive type) taking electronic control of it, the first time it tried to
violate IRANIAN airspace.
You may not like them, but they have their pride.
And rights.
And if many people do not see it, believe me: Some others do.
Some do it because it appeals to their inherent sense of justice... others because they cannot prevent but to see themselves in Iran shoes (Russia? China?).
Regards.