King George V son = my grandfather??

[bradmichaellittle]

The answer is No.

My grandfather is not KGV's son.

Brad

[bradmichaellittle]

All,

It was an interesting balancing point, re what you put on these blogs. Given how I started this thread, then I decided I needed to provide "the answer". My website won't be having any spoiler in it though.

The details behind the answer are in the book, and it is quite complicated - if someone is REALLY interested they'll read the details. I have now have "on the record" a significant genealogical result - which I have decided to share and publish.

However, I "think" a book is where we publish research still - not blogs where the info gets lost, and are not usually well laid out analysis - like in a book.

If that isn't acceptable for this blog - then so be it. I have shared my info.

Thanks,
Brad

[sparkey]

Don't get me wrong, it's fine that you want to keep the in-depth details in your book, and refer us to it, I was just worried that you were using this forum to simply advertize it. That's how a "Want to know the results? Just buy my book!" type of post comes across.

What is his haplogroup, by the way? I think that's the little detail most of us are interested in.

[bradmichaellittle]

Well folks ....

I'll call it a day with this endeavor. It has been a blast, and thank you to many of you who helped me.

The 200 page book is now firmly out there, for someone in the future to consult re "how to do this?" and "if they want to know what the Y-DNA markers and haplogroup looks like for King George V and half of the modern day European Royalty" etc etc.

Thanks,
Brad (The-Kings-Son.com)

[bradmichaellittle]

Hi,

I decided to finish the job off ..... I have paid for a Deep Clade test for this "Wettin Man" Y-DNA sample. So this way there will be his STR markers and Haplogroup as well (for King George V and half the Royal Houses in Europe).

I also made the book "The King's Son" available to be read for free (via ebook) - refer to the website if you are interested.

I'll let you all know when I get the Haplogroup info.
Thanks,
Brad (The-Kings-Son.com)

[bradmichaellittle]

Hi,

Deep clade testing of my Wettin man continues .... anyone want to post any guesses as to what the final answer will be? Sparkey - you seemed toup to the challenge ..... anyone else?

BTW, I have also made the book available to be read for free.

Thanks,
Brad (the-kings-son.com)

[sparkey]

Deep clade testing of my Wettin man continues .... anyone want to post any guesses as to what the final answer will be? Sparkey - you seemed toup to the challenge ..... anyone else?

Blind, without even looking at preliminary STR results or anything... maybe R1b-U106?

[bradmichaellittle]

Hi folks,

Just when I thought the story was completed, a new potential twist in the “The King’s Son” story that has arisen.

Therefore I'll be delaying the posting of “Wettin Man's” Haplogroup information for another six weeks or so - whilst I await validation of this new information.



So please stay tuned. More details about this update are on my webpage and facebook page.

Regards,
Brad (the-kings-son.com)

(The book is available for free e-borrowing via Kindle - Amazon T&C's apply).

[bradmichaellittle]

I now have the Haplogroup test result for "Wettin Man" i.e. the relative of King George V who did a Y-DNA test to help me work out the relationship wth my Grandfather (William James Shepherd). The details are posted on my facebook account associated with my "the-kings-son.com" website.

So the Royal Haplogroup for a large number of European Royal Houses who are relatives of King George VI, King George V, King Edward VII, Prince Albert (Queen Victoria's husband) and then the whole Wettin line going back to around 950 AD is now known.

I am still working out the details in relation to the "new twist" I had mentioned on this blog elsewhere.

Regards,
Brad "the-kings-son.com"

[Sennevini]

Nice job you did there! Seems the result is in correspondence with the Germanic origin of the line.

[JFWR]

Hey Brad, if you end up getting a noble title out of this, I am calling in a favour from you regarding a knightly title for me. Also: For the rest of us. We're cool guys. You should hook us up.

[bradmichaellittle]

Thanks guys.

I don't think I'll be getting any Royal favors myself for this King's Son work, and having decided to have it published.

Having the Y-DNA pattern established for the Coburg / Wettin line is perhaps just the beginning of a process of the all the various "royal lines" being benchmarked as to establish what the pattern must be, in order for a person to be proven as the rightful heir to the throne?

I mean - what would happen if some of current sitting royal kings & queens were found NOT to be descended from their royal ancestors? Why isn't mandatory Y-DNA checking being put in place?

Food for thought.

Cheers,
Brad

[JFWR]

Thanks guys.

I don't think I'll be getting any Royal favors myself for this King's Son work, and having decided to have it published.

Having the Y-DNA pattern established for the Coburg / Wettin line is perhaps just the beginning of a process of the all the various "royal lines" being benchmarked as to establish what the pattern must be, in order for a person to be proven as the rightful heir to the throne?

I mean - what would happen if some of current sitting royal kings & queens were found NOT to be descended from their royal ancestors? Why isn't mandatory Y-DNA checking being put in place?

Food for thought.

Cheers,
Brad

I'm fairly certain that DNA testing is probably very common amongst noble families today, especially if there are known cases of adultery. I highly doubt that prince Harry would be in the succession, for instance, considering his whore mother Diana.

Also: Illegitimate sons do not inherit noble titles. Period. Being a bastard excludes you from consideration unless the king in question vouchsafes your legitimacy and then provides you with a title as per his whims.

In other words: Even if you are George V's bastard grandson, you've only the blood, not the title, especially if your grandmother was a commoner.

[bradmichaellittle]

Sparkey - looking back through the blog, your prediction is correct re U106.

JFWR - I'd prefer a softer view re Princess Diana (& Prince Charles) .... things happened in their lives that didn't turn out which then lead to their splitup.

Re inheritance, agree being from a father born out of wedlock - wouldn't help ones case. However, you always need to consult the law as it applies to the particular country in question. I did such an analysis in Chapt 8.15 of the book .... your black & white statement is incorrect - and the law has left an opening for such a case & claim to be made.

Thanks,
Brad

[JFWR]

Sparkey - looking back through the blog, your prediction is correct re U106.

JFWR - I'd prefer a softer view re Princess Diana (& Prince Charles) .... things happened in their lives that didn't turn out which then lead to their splitup.

Yeah, but Diana was a nut from the start. She was bulimic and manic depressive. Charles got the short end of that stick, especially when Diana had like six lovers over the course of their marriage.

Re inheritance, agree being from a father born out of wedlock - wouldn't help ones case. However, you always need to consult the law as it applies to the particular country in question. I did such an analysis in Chapt 8.15 of the book .... your black & white statement is incorrect - and the law has left an opening for such a case & claim to be made.

Did you check civilian inheritance laws? Or succession laws? Because those are unique concepts. Succession does not follow standard inheritance laws.

I know someone who is an intimate friend with a non-titled Bourbon. His situation is essentially this.

[bradmichaellittle]

All academic re the topic of succession anyway ..... I'm not making any claim!

Regards,
Brad

[JFWR]

All academic re the topic of succession anyway ..... I'm not making any claim!

Regards,
Brad

True, true. Still, it would have been cool.

This was a very interesting project, no doubt.

[sparkey]

Sparkey - looking back through the blog, your prediction is correct re U106.

Hooray! I win!

Thanks for getting the full results like this. Do you have a full list of monarchs who carried this particular Y line, so that we can add a complete list to the Haplogroups of European kings and queens thread?

[Sennevini]

That would be a lot of rulers, kings of United Kindom (from Albert to George VI), kings of Belgium (Albert II), kings of Bulgaria (Simeon II), along with German dukes (kings?) of all kinds of Saxony, and more, see http://genealogy.euweb.cz/wettin/index.html

[bradmichaellittle]

I have now added a new webpage to my website that lists and links all the ~600 King's and Prince's who share the "Royal Haplogroup".

I'm unable to post weblinks, so please go to my website, and click on the "Royal Haplogroup" page tab.

Sparkey - if you wish, please paste my weblink in to "Haplogroups for Kings and Queens" blog page.

Thanks,
Brad (the-kings-son.com)

[bradmichaellittle]

THE KING’S SON - UPDATE: DEC 26th 2012BRF COUSIN FILE MATCHINGPeriodically, over the last year, I have been contacted by a number of people who have a strong family "rumor" that they have an ancestor in their family tree that was fathered by an ancestor of the current British Royal Family (BRF).
I have been collecting Family Finder "Excel cousin files" from these individuals and have been performing a data compare, so as to assist with determining the validity of their rumor. I am getting some very interesting results - which I intend to share on this website in the next few months, after I complete my data analysis.
I will not be revealing the identities of the participants of my study - just the overall results. It has been important to these individuals for their identity to be kept secret, and I intend to maintain their confidence.
Please stay tuned & Happy New Year,
Brad (the-kings-son.com)

[Maciamo]

I am looking forward to compare these results. There has been another presumed descendant of the Wettin dynasty on the forum who turned out to belonged to I2a-Din, as opposed to your R1b-L21. So far it's impossible to tell if either lineage is truly royal. If we get a few more identical results then you'd probably have a case.

[nordicwarrior]

Stuff like this is fascinating to me...

[bradmichaellittle]

Maciamo,

It is possible to tell that my data and information is the Royal Haplogroup for the Wettin line i.e. U106 (Z305+). It is based in triangulated Y-DNA testing (via FTDNA) of two known and documented Wettin line descended men. All the details, testing etc etc are published in my 200 page book and displayed on my website the-kings-son.com under the "Royal Haplogroup" tab. Additionally, the data and information has been vetted by a few FTDNA Project Administrators over the last year.

This is more data and basis for fact, than most of the other sources that you have used to compile your list of Haplogroup info for Royalty. Would additional proof are you expecting?

Re this other chap (Conte de Haito) I haven't seen any data or proof put out there that connects his assertions back to the Wettin line. The person who he states he is linked back to doesn't have any documented ancestors ..... to prove his case he needs to obtain a comparison with two "other" known and living Wettin men - then we would have a real debate on our hands re how his Haplogroup info is different to mine.


Conte de Haito,
The challenge is launched - will you reply?

Cheers,
Brad (the-kings-son.com)

[Maciamo]

Thanks Brad. That's interesting indeed. If your uncle and two other proven descendants of the Wettin lineage share the same subclade of R1b-U106 (namely Z305*) and the same STR haplotype, then there is little doubt.

Could you perhaps tell us how many generations separate your uncle from the two Wettin men ? I am curious about how far in the ascending lineages the triangulation works for certain. Non-paternity events could have happened any time in over 1000 years, even in royal families.