Dalmatian Serbian DNA result by DR Mcdonald

[Mihajlo]

I sent to him my mother's autosomal DNA data from 23andme. I wondered what a chromosome painting can look like with a person from Dalmatia.




Most likely fit is 85.6% (+- 11.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 14.4% (+- 11.2%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Hungary= 0.882 Armenian= 0.118 or
Hungary= 0.872 Georgian= 0.128 or
Hungary= 0.856 Jewish= 0.144 or
Hungary= 0.903 Druze= 0.097 or
Hungary= 0.913 Palestin= 0.087 or
Hungary= 0.880 Cypriot= 0.120 or
Lithuani= 0.527 Jewish= 0.473 or
Hungary= 0.876 Turkish= 0.124 or
Hungary= 0.944 Bedouin = 0.056 or
Hungary= 0.903 Iranian= 0.097

Here his commentary and an another because I asked if the east_asian segment was real or false.

As to the Asian on chromosomes 1 ... it is fairly weak and also
small. Its too small to tell much about. But as weak as it is,
I would say that it is not significant. The Mideast blocks also
seen are very weak and are expected in anyone from that area.

I’m not saying its not “true” in the sense that some small stretches got there from East Asia.
They probably did. I’m saying that it is not RECENT, that you are unlikely to find the cause.
They are just lying around from ancient migrations.There are very well known historical reasons why they got to that part of the world.

The computer program didn’t say “Hun”garian for nothing (of course,the country is in the right place too.)

Here where my mother plot on a gene/geography map. The green dot shows the average place.



Even at low level, the asian influence brought with the Huns or Avars can be still seen nowadays in people from west balkan, this is quite amazing !

[razor]

I sent to him my mother's autosomal DNA data from 23andme. I wondered what a chromosome painting can look like with a person from Dalmatia.




Most likely fit is 85.6% (+- 11.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 14.4% (+- 11.2%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Hungary= 0.882 Armenian= 0.118 or
Hungary= 0.872 Georgian= 0.128 or
Hungary= 0.856 Jewish= 0.144 or
Hungary= 0.903 Druze= 0.097 or
Hungary= 0.913 Palestin= 0.087 or
Hungary= 0.880 Cypriot= 0.120 or
Lithuani= 0.527 Jewish= 0.473 or
Hungary= 0.876 Turkish= 0.124 or
Hungary= 0.944 Bedouin = 0.056 or
Hungary= 0.903 Iranian= 0.097

Here his commentary and an another because I asked if the east_asian segment was real or false.

As to the Asian on chromosomes 1 ... it is fairly weak and also
small. Its too small to tell much about. But as weak as it is,
I would say that it is not significant. The Mideast blocks also
seen are very weak and are expected in anyone from that area.

I’m not saying its not “true” in the sense that some small stretches got there from East Asia.
They probably did. I’m saying that it is not RECENT, that you are unlikely to find the cause.
They are just lying around from ancient migrations.There are very well known historical reasons why they got to that part of the world.

The computer program didn’t say “Hun”garian for nothing (of course,the country is in the right place too.)

Here where my mother plot on a gene/geography map. The green dot shows the average place.



Even at low level, the asian influence brought with the Huns or Avars can be still seen nowadays in people from west balkan, this is quite amazing !

Does McDonald have a view about the South Asian stretch on the X-chromosome? I do but I wouldn't want to preempt him

[Mihajlo]

Does McDonald have a view about the South Asian stretch on the X-chromosome? I do but I wouldn't want to preempt him

No, he didn't say anything about it. What do you think ?

[razor]

My mother in law (and my wife) both have such a stretch (in the centromere) of exacly the same length. McDonald said it was "real". It's relatively old (since they have no significant "South Asian" on their autosomal chromos). My mother in law's maternal line is from Ukraine's Transcarpathian region. I think it represents some older contact with a Roma (Gypsy) or a Roma-connecting population (Hungarian, Romanian, or other). Not unusual for the area south of the Carpathians. Perhaps your mother's indicates the same. Given the "stickiness" of the stretches, we're probably talking in terms of hundreds of years ago, maybe more.

[Mihajlo]

My mother in law (and my wife) both have such a stretch (in the centromere) of exacly the same length. McDonald said it was "real". It's relatively old (since they have no significant "South Asian" on their autosomal chromos). My mother in law's maternal line is from Ukraine's Transcarpathian region. I think it represents some older contact with a Roma (Gypsy) or a Roma-connecting population (Hungarian, Romanian, or other). Not unusual for the area south of the Carpathians. Perhaps your mother's indicates the same. Given the "stickiness" of the stretches, we're probably talking in terms of hundreds of years ago, maybe more.

Interesting, thank you for your comment.

In ancestry finder she has some Romanians and Ukrainians. In my own chromosome painting on the X , the south asia has vanished, I just have the mideast segment.

An another theory : we see that she is overwhelmingly european with all that red , then, in second position, we have the mideast, then the south asia segment and the shortest one, the east_asia. It's like eastward - westard migration as the people ( the Avars and the Huns ?) migrate and mix with the population they encounter on their road or they took with them , as a confederation , and so on until they reach Europe. At the arrival, I bet it's already heavily mixed with mainly european DNA.

[razor]

I would suggest you upload your results to www.gedmatch.com and see how they interpret your mideast and east asian. Dr. McDonald's "mideast" is pretty wide, and includes gedmatch's West Asian (=Caucasus +) and South West Asian (=Arabs+). Gedmatch also distinguishes between Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian.
As to the other theory: don't forget that other Asians also rolled into the Carpathian basin after the Huns and Avars. It's pretty tricky to disentangle.

[Mihajlo]

Gedmatch, it's done. On admixture chromosome painting, at the exact same location as the test from Mcdonald, it's something like 3/4 of southeast asian and 1/4 northeast asian.

Very consistent with the bychr mode with the original k=12 dv3 test by dieneke : 1.33% northeast asian and 3.32 % southeast asian on chromosome 1.

Then by genomewide, she shows average 17.13 % west_asian and 3.07% southwest which is fall commonly in the balkan cluster.

And yes, I agree, the balkan history is hard to resolve.

[Mihajlo]

Update of her results with AC.



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I have to mention that the asians bits come from my grandpa and, considering their length, are unlikely compatible with turkic tribes ( Huns and Avars) arrived during middle ages.

It is rather within the past 400 years because of an unknown event in my family during the ottoman period.