thracian words we know were recorded in greek which gives them greek look and feel but that doesnot mean they were originally similar to greek words in any way...
there are 23 words in total that are recorded as thracian words... the rest is just guessing e.g. based on guessing the meaning of river names, town names...
its about this plant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussilago_farfara1. asa ‘colt’s foot (Tussilago farfara)’. That was its Bessian name according to Dioskurides.
i do not even know about this plant or its name in Serbian... i had to look on wikipedia to find out it is "podbel"
...if someone asked me to name it I would say it looks like "maslačak"
, knowing that -čak is common ending for small plants and animals (e.g. različak, cvrčak, čičak..) root word would be masla
which would to non speaker of the language such as Dioskurides easily sound like "asa"
first one should discard greek ending that was likely added by Aristotle...2. bólinthos ‘wild bull, bison’. The word is attested in Aristotle, according to whom that animal lived in the Messapian mountain, which separated the country of the Peonians from that of the Maideans (a Thracian tribe inhabiting the middle course of Struma and upper course of Mesta), and that the Peonians called it mónapos. Therefore, bolinthos was a Maidean, that is, a Thracian word. It is compared to the German Bulle ‘bull’ and is derived from the IE *bhn-ent.
so it is not bolinthos, but bolin
vol = ox in serbian
volina would be to tell person he is ox - rude, crude, harsh, stupid...
-ija is typical Slavic ending for place names and area names....3. bria ‘town’ (Strab.; Steph. Byz. under the word of Messembria). Both authors state the word was Thracian. It is often found as a second component of Thracian settlement names, for example: Messembria, Poltymbria, Slymbria, Skedabria, etc. The Thracian ‘bria’ is related to the Toch. A ri, B riye ‘town (a refuge on a hill)’ – from the IE *ri.
Holandija, Austrija, Srbija, Rusija, Belorusija...
PIE4. briza ‘spelt, rye’ (Gal. de alim. facult. 1, 13/6 p. 514. Kühn). The author (Galen) saw this plant in Thracia and in Macedonia and concluded the word was Thracian. It is very probable.
rye in english
raž in slavic languages
serbo-croat brundati = to talk/make noise with low frequency sounds ..5. brynchós ‘guitar for the Thracians’ (Hesych.). The word is related to the Pol. brzek ‘a ringing, a tinkle’, Ukr. brjak ‘a ringing, a sound’.
e.g. the noise that a car engine makes
maybe it was about bass guitar :)
6. brytos (masc.), bryton (neuter) ‘a kind of ale from barley, a beer’ (Archil. Hecat. and others), brutos (Hesych.), bryttion (Herodian.). The word was used by the Thracians, the Peonians and the Phrygians. It is related to the Anglo-Saxon brod, Old-HighGerman prod ‘broth’.
7. dinupula (sinupyla) ‘wild pumpkin’ (Pseudoap.). Opposite to the Dacian name of this plant kinuboila (Dioskur.) Pseudoapuleus noted that the Besses call it dinupula or sinupyla, the latter reconstructed from the text “Bessi nupyla” instead of “Bessi (si)nupyla”. Both names originate from the IE *k’un-bol, literally ‘dog’s apple’, which leads to the identical Lith. ùn-obuolas with the same meaning.
dinja in serbo-croat, probably same in other Slavic
8. génton ‘meat’ (Eust. ad Odyss. XIX 28 p. 1854; ad II. XII 25; Herodian., Suid., Hesych.) from the IE *ghen-to- ‘stabbed, cut’, Old-Ind. hata’- ‘hit, killed’.
what?9. kalamíndar ‘plane-tree’ for the Thracian tribe of Edoni (Hesych.). Of unclear etymology.
in fact this was perhaps about traditional food made of fruits10. kemos ‘a kind of fruit with follicles’ (Phot. Lex.). Not interpreted.
the person without preknowledge of this food and procedure in which it is made, might describe the boiling fluid as something with follicles.
south slavic džem
-sta is common ending when classifying a group of people playing certain role, doing certain work...11. ktístai ‘Thracians, living in celibacy; monks’ (Strab.). There is no convincing etymology.
e.g. karatista = person with karate skills, statista = person that plays side role in a movie, scenarista = person that writes movie scripts....
if -sta is common ending for person belonging to a wider group, than kti- is about celibacy
kći = daughter
ktistai could be coin word: kći (daughter) + (po)stati (to become)
PIE12. midne ‘village’, initially ‘a place of stay’. The word occurs in the Latin inscription from Rome, which speaks about a citizen of the province of Thracia and adds: Midne Potelense, stating in this way his place of origin (CIL, VI, Nr. 32567-2819). The publisher of the inscription proposed that this was the Thracian word for the Latin vicus ‘village’, which is very probable. There is an exact correspondence with the Latv. mitne ‘a place of stay, a dwelling, a shelter’ from the older *mutin.
village is extrapolation of meaning... it was word used to describe area from which someone was...
serbo-croat medju (among, between)- when describing a place roughly being in some area
english middle. median
13. póltyn ‘a board fence, a board tower, a fortification of beams and boards’ (Etym. M.), from the IE *(s)p-tu-(n)-, compare with the Old-Icel. spjald (<*spel-to-s) ‘a board’, Anglo-Saxon speld ‘wood, log’, German spalten ‘to chop, to splinter’. The word is regarded as being Thracian because it is an element of the village name Poltym-bria, which is among the indisputably Thracian names ending on -bria.
serbo-croat plot - fence made of wood
PIE14. rhompháia ‘a spear’, later ‘a sword’ (Plut. Aem. Paul. 18; Eust. ad II. VI 166; Hesych.). Other forms of the word are rumpia (Liv., Gell., Ascon. ad Mil.), romphea (Isid. Etym.), romphaea vel romfea (CGL 7, 212). W. Tomaschek listed the Bulg. roféja, rufja ‘a thunderbolt’ and the Alb. rrufë as derivatives of that word. It was also preserved in modern Greek as rhomphaia ‘a big broad sword’. The Thracian rhomphaia contains the IE stem *rump- in the Latin rumpo, -ere ‘to break, to tear’.
romb = geometrical figure that looks like spear
english rhomb, rhombus
15. skálm ‘a knife, a sword’ (Soph. y Pollux 10, 165; Marcus Anton., Hesych., Phot. Lex.). A. Fick compared this word with the Old-Icel. skolm ‘a short sword, a knife’ from the IE *skolm, a derivative from the IE stem *skel- ‘to cut’.
škrinja - croatian for box in which treasure is kept (english 'chest')16. skárke ‘a silver coin for the Thracians’ (Hesych., Phot. Lex.) A. Fick explains it as ‘a jingling coin’ from the IE *skerg- ‘to jingle’, compare the Old-Norse skark ‘a noise’, Old-Ind. kharjati ‘to creak, to crunch’ from the IE *skoeg-.
17. spínos ‘a stone which burns when water is poured on it’ (Arist.). There are no interpretations.
slavic 'sapun' = english 'soap'
18. torélle ‘a refrain of lament, mourn (song)’ (Hesych.). There is no acceptable etymology.
PIE19. zalmós ‘a hide’ (Porphyr.). It is related to the Old-Pruss. salmis ‘helm’, the Lith. sálmas;
slavic 'šlem' = english 'helmet'
20. zeirá, zirá ‘a type of upper garment’ (Hdt., Xen., Hesych.). There are no acceptable etymologies.
slavic 'zar' = english 'veil'
note that this was often made of silk that was in ancient times produced by serians from Serica
21. zelâs ‘wine’ (Choerob. 124, 11 Gaisf.), zlas (Cobeti excerpt e cod. Marc. 489), zeilá (Phot. Lex.), zílai (Hesych.). As related to it are given the Greek chális ‘pure (not watered down) wine’, the Mac. kálithos ‘wine’ (Hesych.), the Old-Ind. hla ‘brandy’. The Thracian zelâs can be also compared to the Lith. alas ‘red (for cattle)’, the Latv. zals ‘bright red, brown’, the Bret. gell ‘reddish, brown’, all from the IE *g’hel- ‘to shine’. Thus for the Thracians the wine got his name from its red colour.
22. zetráia ‘a pot’ (Pollux). From the initial form *zeutraia from the IE *g’heutr- towards the IE stem *g’heu- ‘to pour’.
serbo-croat šibice = matches23. zibythides ‘the noble Thracian men and women’ (Hesych.).
A. Fick explains it as a Grecized form from the Lith. ibeti (ibù) ‘to shine, to light’. He interpreted it as a participle meaning ‘splendidus, illustris, erlaucht’
and wrote it in the form zibynthides, which actually did not exist.
Apart from the Greek ending -id-(es), the initial word zibut- has an exact parallel in the Lith. ibute ‘a fire, light’ and ‘something light’.
But Fick was right translating the Thracian word as ‘most holy one’.
I cannot say its a match, i cannot say it is not...
there is simply not enough words attested to be thracian and with known meaning...
I do not relate Thracians to I2a-din but mostly to originally R1a people on which E-V13 + J2 layer was superimposed later (when? with hellenic expansion or with roman expansion?) ... so original language and tribal name of Thracians was probably related to proto-Slavic people....
I2a-Din spread along Danube, so it was probably present in northern Thracians, such as Triballi...regarding attempts to equate Serbs with Triballians... i can accept Triballi being perhaps of Serian stock...hence, Serb or Serian is a race name, Triballians is one of tribe names that might correspond to Terbunions - Serb tribe that settled south east Herzegovina...