R1B1A2A1A1B what now?

[Pvg1949]

Hi,
A week ago i received my last DNA deepclade test.
The result was R1B1A2A1A1B. with negative for every other subclade.

As this is a rather old subgroup, does this means that my DNA did not split anymore for the last 5000 j?
Or are there other not tested subs.
Here are the test results:

P312+ P310+ P25+ L51+ L150+ U198- U152- U106- P89.2- P107- M65- M160- M153- M126- L6- L48- L47- L44- L4- L325- L257- L226- L217- L21- L20- L2- L196- L193- L188- L176.2- L165- L164- L159.2- L148- L144- L1-

Can anyone tell me how i can gather more data or how i have to proceed to continue my queeste?

Because ,R1B1A2A1A1B gives only a general geographic view, i wonder if there is a way to find out how my ancesters came to the netherlands (Sint-Michielsgestel - Berlicum -oldest known 1600), over the Alps (italic celts)or by France .

greetings,
Paul
Westerlo
Belgium

[sparkey]

As this is a rather old subgroup, does this means that my DNA did not split anymore for the last 5000 j?
Or are there other not tested subs.

There are a few known ones that you haven't tested. The most useful for you would probably be DF19, which peaks in frequency around the Benelux (IIRC). I forget if there's any Z196* currently known... if there is, Z196 might also be useful to test, because you only tested its subclades, M153 and L176.2. Another interesting possibility is the rather Nordic L238 marker. See also Maciamo's R1b tree.

[razyn]

Thomas Krahn's draft tree of the R haplogroup was updated a week ago to include some results of newly testable SNPs in the North/South Cluster side of Z196, for which Pvg1949 was not tested (with the single exception of M153). Those that are new, and specific to Z196, are Z209, Z220 and Z278. Look for them here:
http://ytree.ftdna.com/index.php?nam...arent=65388520

Several more new SNPs are available (on both sides of Z196 -- if indeed it only has two sides, which may not be the case) and a few people have tested for them; but their place on the tree remains a little speculative, until there are confirmed positives and negatives. The ones to watch for include Z268, Z262, Z198, Z216 and Z214. (Also DF17, I guess.) Another new SNP for which the test needs to be run twice -- so they have to charge more, and haven't figured out how to do that (last time I looked) -- is DF27. This SNP is the parent of Z196 and of Z225. When it gets placed on the tree, Z196 will be bumped down a level.

It's also considered possible that another, as yet undiscovered SNP may unite L21 and DF19. The SNPs under P312 are being reordered and refined with current testing of many new SNPs, most of which were discovered within the past year -- principally, but not exclusively, through the 1000 Genomes project. Development of primers and a reliable lab test for each of these new SNPs is a time consuming, and continuing, process.

[Pvg1949]

Hi again,
I just received the result of the DF19 test.
It is positive.
So the full testline is:

R1b1a2a1a1b

P312+ P310+ P25+ L51+ L150+ DF19+ U198- U152- U106- P89.2- P107- M65- M160- M153- M126- L6- L48- L47- L44- L4- L325- L257- L226- L217- L21- L20- L2- L196- L193- L188- L176.2- L165- L164- L159.2- L148- L144- L1- My oldest ancester nown is Andreas Gerardi Andries, who lived in Sint Michielsgestel, Netherlands, and was born there in 1600. Perhaps this helps to find the origins of the DF19 tribe, Paul

[sparkey]

Hi again,
I just received the result of the DF19 test.
It is positive.

Great! That's a pretty specific group. ISOGG lists one more SNP below it, but I'm not sure if that's worth testing. You may want to search for others who have tested DF19 or know more about it, to see if there's anything useful left to do.