Sry 2627

[L.D.Brousse]

Ok here is my lay out on SRY2627. First my Grandfather gave a DNA sample to the University of Arizona in 2002 before he died. I gave a sample in 2009. Since 2002 the only DNA matches I have is American Family members no matches outside the surname at all . My Haplotype is elusive as well being SRY2627 positive the FTDNA haplo matches are less than 0.1 at any location I do not think SRY2627 is Spanish or it would show a larger number. I do think SRY2627 was born on French soil. With lack of testing in France maybe the cause for such low numbers ?

[sparkey]

My Haplotype is elusive as well being SRY2627 positive the FTDNA haplo matches are less than 0.1 at any location I do not think SRY2627 is Spanish or it would show a larger number. I do think SRY2627 was born on French soil. With lack of testing in France maybe the cause for such low numbers ?

You'll certainly find that British samples, and even German samples and some other places, outnumber French samples in the hobbyist databases. You might want to try searching some more balanced databases, like SMGF and YHRD.

As for SRY2627, it has highest frequency in Catalans (IIRC), but that doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them, or originated with them. I haven't looked closely at it, but I'd almost expect a higher diversity of SRY2627 in France. I suspect that the Gauls of antiquity had some SRY2627.

[L.D.Brousse]

I guess if we could ever find out what SRY2627 mutated from that would help. As far as my markers go I know many people with tons of 12 marker non surname matches. And in 10 years I only have documented American surname cousins that match. I guess that is the part I don't really understand

[sparkey]

I guess if we could ever find out what SRY2627 mutated from that would help.

It's a subclade of L176.2, which is split between SRY2627 and the interestingly Nordic S68, although the fact that S68 is the greater outlier within L176.2's parent (Z196) indicates to me that SRY2627 is closer to its origin. Z196 is the subject of a lot of discussion on this forum, and I don't know if there's a consensus yet on where it originated.

[Gray Fox]

Here is the latest variance run by Mikewww

SRY2627 France______: Var=0.94 [Mixed 49] (N=15)
SRY2627 France______: Var=1.06 [Linear 36] (N=15)

SRY2627 Germany/Pol_: Var=0.86 [Mixed 49] (N=9)
SRY2627 Germany/Pol_: Var=0.77 [Linear 36] (N=9)

SRY2627 Isles_______: Var=0.84 [Mixed 49] (N=63)
SRY2627 Isles_______: Var=0.80 [Linear 36] (N=63)

SRY2627 Iberia______: Var=0.80 [Mixed 49] (N=17)
SRY2627 Iberia______: Var=0.75 [Linear 36] (N=17)

[L.D.Brousse]

What does the chart show to the untrained eye?

[Gray Fox]

Its showing that France is the most variant and or oldest in this particular run. I think the Iberian SRY2627 was probably a late comer to Iberia, but when it did migrate there, it did it in mass. Whatever event or people that brought it there, is giving the impression that it originated there.. This doesn't seem to be the case.

This is Sam from dna-forums.. btw

[L.D.Brousse]

Ok Sam so My family may have been a true native of France? Or at least SRY2627 was born in France

[L.D.Brousse]

Sam What are your thoughts on origin? And age? Didier was way out from me on the genetic scale . And I think his family is from Northern France on that same note Vincent J. was from a near by area of SW France and we are much closer. I also think who ever did the family groups showed I had some connection with a Scottish Sry 2627. My view on this is our clan was dispersed early after SRY 2627 was born by an invading group. Or we came in waves from our place of origin Your Thoughts?

[L.D.Brousse]

Sam I found this also note the bottom note is the same for the Pictones

Santones

The Santones were a Gaulish peoples who occupied the area of Saintonage, western Gaul and whose primary settlement was at Mediolanum (modern-day Saintes), north of the river Gironde. These were the peoples whose territory was threatened by the migration of the Helvetii (58 BCE). In thanks for Julius Caesar's intervention against the Helvetii the Santones (a maritime peoples) provided Caesar with a fleet to aid in his Gallic campaigns of 56 BCE (just as their neighbours the Pictavii did). Little else is known about the Santones, which suggests that they were faithful allies of Rome and therefore not worthy of further mention.
The tribe's name may be related to the reconstructed proto-Celtic element: *sani- (different, which is related to the Old Irish sain). This suggests that either they were one of the first Celtic peoples to arrive in the region and thus were 'different' from the local populace, or they were part of the local population who survived Celtic colonization, were labelled with a Celtic name and eventually became Celticized.

[zanipolo]

Sam I found this also note the bottom note is the same for the Pictones

Santones

The Santones were a Gaulish peoples who occupied the area of Saintonage, western Gaul and whose primary settlement was at Mediolanum (modern-day Saintes), north of the river Gironde. These were the peoples whose territory was threatened by the migration of the Helvetii (58 BCE). In thanks for Julius Caesar's intervention against the Helvetii the Santones (a maritime peoples) provided Caesar with a fleet to aid in his Gallic campaigns of 56 BCE (just as their neighbours the Pictavii did). Little else is known about the Santones, which suggests that they were faithful allies of Rome and therefore not worthy of further mention.
The tribe's name may be related to the reconstructed proto-Celtic element: *sani- (different, which is related to the Old Irish sain). This suggests that either they were one of the first Celtic peoples to arrive in the region and thus were 'different' from the local populace, or they were part of the local population who survived Celtic colonization, were labelled with a Celtic name and eventually became Celticized.

what are your numbers from ftdna...if you do not mind sharing

[L.D.Brousse]

Y-DNA - Standard Y-STR Values







PANEL 1 (1-12)

Marker	DYS393	DYS390	DYS19**	DYS391	DYS385	DYS426	DYS388	DYS439	DYS389I	DYS392	DYS389II***
Value	13	23	14	11	11-12	12	12	11	14	13	31

PANEL 2 (13-25)

Marker	DYS458	DYS459	DYS455	DYS454	DYS447	DYS437	DYS448	DYS449	DYS464
Value	17	9-10	11	11	25	14	19	29	15-15-17-18

Marker	DYS460	Y-GATA-H4	YCAII	DYS456	DYS607	DYS576	DYS570	CDY	DYS442	DYS438
Value	11	11	19-23	15	14	17	15	38-39	12	12

[L.D.Brousse]

My Deep Clade test shows I'm SRY2627+ as well as my cousins that have tested 67 markers. My family is documented as coming from Cognac. My Family surname was changed here in America in 1704 to Bruce from Brousse being French Huguenots they were not allowed in French colonies so they live in English areas. The funny thing is Bruce in Gaelic means from the thickets Brousse means from the forest or bush lands Brousse itself maybe a form of Celtic early Celts had no written language so maybe sound a likes after writing was introduced